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[iTallaNT]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

iTallaNT wrote...


Oh yeah I forgot to mention this but I redid my endings to test out the extent of the truth in the god-child's statements for the destroy option and found quite a few things to be false. I say this because somehow amongst all my mixing and matching I got a destroy ending where shepard lived, the reapers were destroyed, the relays weren't fully destroyed just damaged, and lastly the most important part of all EDI WALKED OFF THE SHIP UNHARMED IN THE CRASHLANDING SCENE! Which also implies that the Geth too were still alive. 

What did you do to get all this?  You mean with the statements with the catalyst?

Well it's a combination of all the ending options and major conversation points as well as a mixture of earlier decisions such as your love interest and gender. Because if you have a love interest like 90% of the time they are shown walking off the ship. Same goes for your decision on who you choose to bring with you for the beam run. Unfortunately I'm not entirely sure what the combination is because I went through mixing and matching about 20 different times. If only I had a damned pvr or a dazzle or something I could just record it and show it to you.

But I also believe it has to do with how long you take while playing the overall game, the longer you are going out and collecting things to raise your EMS score the more succeptable you are to the indoctrination. The same is also true with the scene with the illusive man, because if you are following the indoctrination theory then that is an internal battle with both Anderson and TIM representing a certain level of shepards resolve. By killing TIM and Anderson in different ways, it weakens shepards resolve in different ways which once again affects how suseptable he/she is to indoctrination.

Modifié par iTallaNT, 05 octobre 2012 - 03:13 .

[Obadiah]

CronoDragoon wrote...
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Inherent in the final act to bring peace is violence, both against your enemies and your allies.
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I would state it a little differently: to destroy your enemy is violence, both against your enemies and your allies.

To the paragon who believes that there is ALWAYS a path that does not compromise your principles, it Is a huge refutation of that. To the paragon who believes as Anderson said in ME1, "sometimes you're forced to make unpleasant decisions" or "only if there is no other way,"  this may be that unpleasant decision.

I'm not sure what philosphy one could have for Destroy NOT to have a bitter aftertaste. It is not just EDI and the Geth that will be destroyed - it is any AI in the galaxy anywhere. That's any AI that managed to survive hidden as Leviathan and Javik were from previous Reaper cycles, and any AI that developed in that 99% of the galaxy that is still unexplored by this cycle. The scale is unimaginable, and it is the type of act that will cause some to define Shepard as a war criminal.

For me the question is, how bad does your enemy have to be to not be able to tolerate their existence? It is up to the player to make that judgement.

CronoDragoon wrote...
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The response would be that such an act would necessarily cause future conflict between synthetics and organics, being that the organics chose to kill the synthetics to save themselves. So you aren't really giving the future a fresh start so much as perpetuating the cycle of violence. I'll have to think of an analysis on that going forward.

I suspect it will precipitate further violence at some point.

But another interpretation of the deaths of EDI and Geth exists: as sacrifices to ensure the freedom of all future life (your Jesus analogy). Perhaps future AI will look upon it as an act that was unfortunately necessary for their own sake.

Modifié par Obadiah, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:37 .

[CmdrShep80]

What did you do 
Well it's a combination of all the ending options and major conversation points as well as a mixture of earlier decisions such as your love interest and gender. Because if you have a love interest like 90% of the time they are shown walking off the ship. Same goes for your decision on who you choose to bring with you for the beam run. Unfortunately I'm not entirely sure what the combination is because I went through mixing and matching about 20 different times. If only I had a damned pvr or a dazzle or something I could just record it and show it to you.

But I also believe it has to do with how long you take while playing the overall game, the longer you are going out and collecting things to raise your EMS score the more succeptable you are to the indoctrination. The same is also true with the scene with the illusive man, because if you are following the indoctrination theory then that is an internal battle with both Anderson and TIM representing a certain level of shepards resolve. By killing TIM and Anderson in different ways, it weakens shepards resolve in different ways which once again affects how suseptable he/she is to indoctrination.

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do you remember off hand who was in your squad?

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 05 octobre 2012 - 05:01 .

[iTallaNT]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

do you remember off hand who was in your squad?

For the beam run I brought EDI and I believe Garrus was the other character. Also it was my male shep character, and his LI was Miranda and I believe on this playthrough she was dead. And I rushed the storyline and didn't collect everything, however my EMS rating was brought up by my multiplayer just enough that it was past the readiness line that gets you the shep breath scene. I can't remember if TIM shot himself or if I shot him though :/

[CmdrShep80]

iTallaNT wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

do you remember off hand who was in your squad?

For the beam run I brought EDI and I believe Garrus was the other character. Also it was my male shep character, and his LI was Miranda and I believe on this playthrough she was dead. And I rushed the storyline and didn't collect everything, however my EMS rating was brought up by my multiplayer just enough that it was past the readiness line that gets you the shep breath scene. I can't remember if TIM shot himself or if I shot him though :/

Would be interesting if BioWare actually wrote in another ending for those who rushed to the end.  Do you still have the autosave for the Catalyst?  Maybe you can try it again (the last portion) and see if you get it again?

[iTallaNT]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

iTallaNT wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

do you remember off hand who was in your squad?

For the beam run I brought EDI and I believe Garrus was the other character. Also it was my male shep character, and his LI was Miranda and I believe on this playthrough she was dead. And I rushed the storyline and didn't collect everything, however my EMS rating was brought up by my multiplayer just enough that it was past the readiness line that gets you the shep breath scene. I can't remember if TIM shot himself or if I shot him though :/

Would be interesting if BioWare actually wrote in another ending for those who rushed to the end.  Do you still have the autosave for the Catalyst?  Maybe you can try it again (the last portion) and see if you get it again?

It would be interesting indeed. I'm going to have to see if I can duplicate that sinario again, though not tonight since I don't have enough time lol. maybe on the weekend or something I'll see if I can get it to work. But yeah it might be a fluke or something for all I know, I really hope it's not though. I want EDI to live dammit!

[CmdrShep80]

iTallaNT wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

iTallaNT wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

do you remember off hand who was in your squad?

For the beam run I brought EDI and I believe Garrus was the other character. Also it was my male shep character, and his LI was Miranda and I believe on this playthrough she was dead. And I rushed the storyline and didn't collect everything, however my EMS rating was brought up by my multiplayer just enough that it was past the readiness line that gets you the shep breath scene. I can't remember if TIM shot himself or if I shot him though :/

Would be interesting if BioWare actually wrote in another ending for those who rushed to the end.  Do you still have the autosave for the Catalyst?  Maybe you can try it again (the last portion) and see if you get it again?

It would be interesting indeed. I'm going to have to see if I can duplicate that sinario again, though not tonight since I don't have enough time lol. maybe on the weekend or something I'll see if I can get it to work. But yeah it might be a fluke or something for all I know, I really hope it's not though. I want EDI to live dammit!

Ditto

[CmdrShep80]

Guess everyone either went to eat, got hyped by the new mp, and went to play more ME3 lol

[Archi_Bowl]

Just voicing my opinion. Though, as usual, I am late to the party when it comes to posting.

I just finished the campaign to for my first play through. I can't really describe the feelings inside.Happy and somewhat sad (It has been a fantastic ride and I hate to see it end) I had read all the hate since March about the "terrible endings." I even watched the videos (yeah I like to spoil things for myself). Prior to the completion, I thought I would be dissatisfied with how this trilogy would come to a close. Now, my opinion has changed. The endings are good and complete for the most part...for the time being should they choose to flesh any of them out more. Sure there are some plot holes ( I find the emergency evac a little silly but that final good bye to my LI (Liara in this case) was touching..so who cares.)

The main gist I can seem to pick out is that people are upset about the plot holes and that their entire trilogy's worth of decisions become erased in the final 5~10 min segment with the conclusive final decision. As I said before, the plot holes can be glaring at times, but I think they are exceedingly outweighed by the complete package. I welcome questions on that one.

The later point dealing with everyone's complaint about many decisions coming down to one final decision is actually typical in life I would think. Have you ever worked through a huge process involving many decisions along the way only to come to a new choice that could undo everything you had previously worked for? Though that choice might be for the better? It happens everyday in the design world (architect->me). I would think it is a very regular occurrence. 

Though I am fine with these endings, I enjoy reading and entertaining the Indoctrination and Puzzle theories. Portions of the ending seem very supportive of the Indoctrination (Anderson making it onto the Citadel and some of the conversations feel weird). The Multiplayer seems to be following a Puzzle Theory path.

It will be interesting to see how the refusal choice evolves.

But I digress....sigh I am a rambler....please forgive me Bioware social peoples.... I think on things for a very long time and then post and say some of the most convoluted things.... I will try to clarify if you need.

In short.. I enjoyed the Mass Effect Trilogy. GG Bioware, I am comfortable with the endings (though I am excited to see what the future holds) I am about to start a new trilogy playthrough... I think the only thing that frustrates me is why did it have to end????

Modifié par Archi_Bowl, 14 octobre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Lurker 2277]

Archi_Bowl wrote...

Just voicing my opinion. Though, as usual, I am late to the party when it comes to posting.

I just finished the campaign to for my first play through. I can't really describe the feelings inside.Happy and somewhat sad (It has been a fantastic ride and I hate to see it end) I had read all the hate since March about the "terrible endings." I even watched the videos (yeah I like to spoil things for myself). Prior to the completion, I thought I would be dissatisfied with how this trilogy would come to a close. Now, my opinion has changed. The endings are good and complete for the most part...for the time being should they choose to flesh any of them out more. Sure there are some plot holes ( I find the emergency evac a little silly but that final good bye to my LI (Liara in this case) was touching..so who cares.)

The main gist I can seem to pick out is that people are upset about the plot holes and that their entire trilogy's worth of decisions become erased in the final 5~10 min segment with the conclusive final decision. As I said before, the plot holes can be glaring at times, but I think they are exceedingly outweighed by the complete package. I welcome questions on that one.

The later point dealing with everyone's complaint about many decisions coming down to one final decision is actually typical in life I would think. Have you ever worked through a huge process involving many decisions along the way only to come to a new choice that could undo everything you had previously worked for? Though that choice might be for the better? It happens everyday in the design world (architect->me). I would think it is a very regular occurrence. 

Though I am fine with these endings, I enjoy reading and entertaining the Indoctrination and Puzzle theories. Portions of the ending seem very supportive of the Indoctrination (Anderson making it onto the Citadel and some of the conversations feel weird). The Multiplayer seems to be following a Puzzle Theory path.

It will be interesting to see how the refusal choice evolves.

But I digress....sigh I am a rambler....please forgive me Bioware social peoples.... I think on things for a very long time and then post and say some of the most convoluted things.... I will try to clarify if you need.

In short.. I enjoyed the Mass Effect Trilogy. GG Bioware, I am comfortable with the endings (though I am excited to see what the future holds) I am about to start a new trilogy playthrough... I think the only thing that frustrates me is why did it have to end????

No one is playing this game because it is realistic, we were promised consequences for our decision, that being good or bad, you can't justify it by saying the opposite.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....


at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....


at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

Much to everyone's dismay, you have the right of it.

Anyone that did like the endings (with the caveat that they have no criticisms whatsoever) have, without a doubt, room-temperture IQ. I cannot stress that fact more. Praise without thought isn't praise at all. And anyone that thought about the endings, for even a few moments, will have strong criticisms.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....


at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

Much to everyone's dismay, you have the right of it.

Anyone that did like the endings (with the caveat that they have no criticisms whatsoever) have, without a doubt, room-temperture IQ. I cannot stress that fact more. Praise without thought isn't praise at all. And anyone that thought about the endings, for even a few moments, will have strong criticisms.

These threads used to move so fast your response to a post on page 4 wouldn't be on til page 7, now? one to four threads have a barely detectable pulse and stay at the top. that alone speaks volumes.

[KotorEffect3]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....


at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

Much to everyone's dismay, you have the right of it.

Anyone that did like the endings (with the caveat that they have no criticisms whatsoever) have, without a doubt, room-temperture IQ. I cannot stress that fact more. Praise without thought isn't praise at all. And anyone that thought about the endings, for even a few moments, will have strong criticisms.

lol the pretentiousness of these haters is laughable.  People are allowed to like something you don't.  You don't like it?  Fine move on with your life and f off

[KotorEffect3]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....


at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

Feel free to be driven away

[DadeLeviathan]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
These threads used to move so fast your response to a post on page 4 wouldn't be on til page 7, now? one to four threads have a barely detectable pulse and stay at the top. that alone speaks volumes.

To be fair, the game has been out for seven months. With that said though,l the forums for ME2, ME1 and DA Origins were more active dring this time period after their release. 

Honestly, while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ending drove enough people away from ME3 to basically drive it into the ground, I highly doubt that to be the case. There are still a good number of people playing multiplayer, buying DLC, etc. If there weren't, Bioware wouldn't be supporting it with such fervor. They would, rather, write it off as a lost cause.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....


at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

Much to everyone's dismay, you have the right of it.

Anyone that did like the endings (with the caveat that they have no criticisms whatsoever) have, without a doubt, room-temperture IQ. I cannot stress that fact more. Praise without thought isn't praise at all. And anyone that thought about the endings, for even a few moments, will have strong criticisms.

lol the pretentiousness of these haters is laughable.  People are allowed to like something you don't.  You don't like it?  Fine move on with your life and f off

And peopel are allowed to dislike things that you like.

I know logic is a fleeting ideal to you since you're so blinded by nerdrage the only things that you can possibly conjur up are vitriol and disdain for anyone who doesn't agree with you, but most poeple here are trying to have a discussion, not an argument with a man child.

[KotorEffect3]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....


at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

Much to everyone's dismay, you have the right of it.

Anyone that did like the endings (with the caveat that they have no criticisms whatsoever) have, without a doubt, room-temperture IQ. I cannot stress that fact more. Praise without thought isn't praise at all. And anyone that thought about the endings, for even a few moments, will have strong criticisms.

lol the pretentiousness of these haters is laughable.  People are allowed to like something you don't.  You don't like it?  Fine move on with your life and f off

And peopel are allowed to dislike things that you like.

I know logic is a fleeting ideal to you since you're so blinded by nerdrage the only things that you can possibly conjur up are vitriol and disdain for anyone who doesn't agree with you, but most poeple here are trying to have a discussion, not an argument with a man child.

I didn't realize being a prententious ****** that thinks they are better than other people all of a sudden constituted a discussion.  You haters can now stop hijacking this support thread.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
These threads used to move so fast your response to a post on page 4 wouldn't be on til page 7, now? one to four threads have a barely detectable pulse and stay at the top. that alone speaks volumes.

To be fair, the game has been out for seven months. With that said though,l the forums for ME2, ME1 and DA Origins were more active dring this time period after their release. 

Honestly, while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ending drove enough people away from ME3 to basically drive it into the ground, I highly doubt that to be the case. There are still a good number of people playing multiplayer, buying DLC, etc. If there weren't, Bioware wouldn't be supporting it with such fervor. They would, rather, write it off as a lost cause.

The cases you pointed out aren't really the "get on forums all day and talk about ME all day" demographic though, it takes a special kind of game to get people actually discussing it online and not just complaining about bugs, and it takes an extraordinary failure to drive those people away en masse.
The ME2 forums were active for a very long time, loyal fans that loved having intelligent arguement and discussions with popele on this site, sure there were your "KotorEffect3" kind of people who just want to spread hate and tell everyone that doesn't agree with them that they are dumb or "pretentious", but you used to see a lot of well thought out posts and tons of activity on this site.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 14 octobre 2012 - 07:18 .

[KotorEffect3]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
These threads used to move so fast your response to a post on page 4 wouldn't be on til page 7, now? one to four threads have a barely detectable pulse and stay at the top. that alone speaks volumes.

To be fair, the game has been out for seven months. With that said though,l the forums for ME2, ME1 and DA Origins were more active dring this time period after their release. 

Honestly, while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ending drove enough people away from ME3 to basically drive it into the ground, I highly doubt that to be the case. There are still a good number of people playing multiplayer, buying DLC, etc. If there weren't, Bioware wouldn't be supporting it with such fervor. They would, rather, write it off as a lost cause.

The cases you pointed out aren't really the "get on forums all day and talk about ME all day" demographic though, it takes a special kind of game to get people actually discussing it online and not just complaining about bugs, and it takes an extraordinary failure to drive those people away en masse.
The ME2 forums were active for a very long time, loyal fans that loved having intelligent arguement and discussions with popele on this site, sure there were your "KotorEffect3" kind of people who just want to spread hate and tell everyone that doesn't agree with them that they are dumb or "pretentious", but you used to see a lot of well thought out posts and tons of activity on this site.

How hypocritical you insult me in a post and then complain about people spreading hate.  You are the ones that have ruined these forums.  Can't post a single thread without a hater hijacking it.

[KotorEffect3]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

When your ending puts more value in symbolism than common sense, it has failed. And ME3's ending failed horribly.

Yeah, except no. Gooby plz


I agree with you OP, the endings are good now. 

Indeed post EC the endings are pretty decent and give us closure.  Of course some people won't shutup about how they hate them but they are just being petty and spiteful at this point.

[KotorEffect3]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Funny how the ending haters insists on posting unfunny pictures and tired old memes, in every single thread where people say good things about the endings. What an interesting life that must be.

And the sad part is they think they are clever when they are just repeating the same unoriginal, unfunny crap.  They are pathetic

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

When your ending puts more value in symbolism than common sense, it has failed. And ME3's ending failed horribly.

Yeah, except no. Gooby plz


I agree with you OP, the endings are good now. 

Indeed post EC the endings are pretty decent and give us closure.  Of course some people won't shutup about how they hate them but they are just being petty and spiteful at this point.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
After this long you are just here to troll and insult the game, it's fans, and it's devs.  There is no reason to be posting in a forum for a game you hate several months after the fact.    So go to your reddit, 4chan, or rpgcodex they would like you in those places.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Idiots,  DLC is not about the endings.  BDTS didn't change the ending of ME 1, normandy crash site, zaeed, kasumi, firewalker pack, overlord, lotsb, and arrival didn't change the ME 2 endings, RTO, shale, and warden's keep didn't change  the ending ofDAO, and legacy, sebastian, and MotA didn't change the ending of DA2.  So get over your spoiled overentitled sense of selfisnness and undestand that bioware has specificaly stated they are done working on the endings and stop ruining every damn discussion about any single player dlc coming out now or in the future!!   Thick headed morons don't have a clue

KotorEffect3 wrote...

If you are using a video game to get off on than you have other problems

KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is you people

"So what do you think about wrex or wreav?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"What is you favorite shotgun in the game?"  WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"So this new DLC has new areas to explore and new weapons and armor you can equip."  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK"

"Do you want fries with that?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"What is the weather forcast for today?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"Did you see that game last night?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"Who are you voting for Obama or Romney?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"

KotorEffect3 wrote...

There is more to the game than the last damn 5 minutes.  Also it has been over 7 months go away and get a life already.

KotorEffect3 wrote...


I don't know how many times bioware has said that they aren't changing the endings yet some of these people can't get it through their thick skulls.  We are going to be hearing the same crap from them everytime a new sp dlc comes out.  They are like the kid that asks "are we there yet" every 5 minutes

KotorEffect3 wrote...
I didn't realize being a prententious ****** that thinks they are better than other people all of a sudden constituted a discussion.  You haters can now stop hijacking this support thread.

And thats just the tip of the iceberg. Pot, Kettle.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 14 octobre 2012 - 07:42 .

[KotorEffect3]

Somebody has an unhealthy obsession with me. Of course it doesn't suprise me since this person at one time quoted me in their signature.

[yukon fire]

Mass Effect 3 is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible.

Sloppy execution that reuses art assets reveals that it’s a hurried inclusion and the under thought and over pretentious dialogue does nothing but create bizarre, confusing plot holes. Far more importantly though, it betrays key themes and values well established by the series thus far. Past player choice impacting the shape of events is negated in favor of an arbitrary and poorly explained “pick your favorite color” moment with just a bit of MP railroading. Science fiction justification in an otherwise material world is abandoned for magical deism, since quite literally, a god in a machine appears. Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism: each of the choices you’re forced to make results in Shepard committing some level of genocide or another, with the benefits removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics. Mass Effect 3 is an end unjustified by its means and unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of the decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise questionable quality of what came before, while poisoning even nostalgia of the prior games. At best and being fair to the game’s other traits, what little quality comes out a wash, and simply mediocre.

 

Casey Hudson, has said that he wanted the endings to be“memorable.” I think he succeeded. We need to remember it. 

After all, those who forget the history are doomed to repeat it. 

Modifié par yukon fire, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:17 .