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[KotorEffect3]

magnetite wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Honestly, while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ending drove enough people away from ME3 to basically drive it into the ground, I highly doubt that to be the case. There are still a good number of people playing multiplayer, buying DLC, etc. If there weren't, Bioware wouldn't be supporting it with such fervor. They would, rather, write it off as a lost cause.

Yep. They said that if Leviathan doesn't sell, they wouldn't have made Omega. However, it did sell well, so they made Omega. Clearly, there's a lot more people who like Mass Effect 3, than those who may not like it as much due to the endings or what not. Kind of stating the obvious here, but they are going to make DLC and such that most people will enjoy. No point in making a DLC that caters to a small minority, because they wouldn't make any money with it.  

Indeed some people didn't get the memo.  bioware doesn't have to cater to a loud angry minority.  I am sure most people will play and enjoy omega.

[Haravikk]

Well, I know I'm going to sound like I'm contradicting myself but… while I did find the ending unsatisfying (even with the Extended Cut) I'm not sure I really believe it's a terrible ending. It's hard to decide if the ending is intentionally vague and slightly surreal or not; for example the inclusion of the child, and some of the other elements that don't really make obvious sense are either glaring holes, or could possibly be seen as intentional ambiguity, leaving it to the fans to decide what they think really happened.

It was always going to be difficult for them to end the trilogy, and they certainly could have done a lot worse. If Bioware does still have some kind of master plan involving the ending then unlike others I'm not sure I'd want to change it completely; but it could certainly do with taking into account more of what you've achieved during the game/trilogy, possibly changing how some of the options actually play out.

If anything, the ending had plenty of potential, but the limitations of the choices (and lack of impact of earlier choices) and the fact that the synthetic versus organic angle was overplayed meant that it failed to live up to the potential. Ambiguity still leaves the whole thing very much open to interpretation, as this forum proves, and which may be a good thing. I don't completely hate the ending, it's just a very mixed bag and lacks the feeling of accomplishment that the other games had.

I'm still hopeful that there may be more to see of the ending, and that future DLC will continue to expand it, not necessarily ending specific DLC. I'd like to see more involvement of war assets and important decisions.

Modifié par Haravikk, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:25 .

[Maxster_]

[quote]Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

[quote]Eterna5 wrote...

[quote]Ticonderoga117 wrote...

When your ending puts more value in symbolism than common sense, it has failed. And ME3's ending failed horribly. [/quote]

Yeah, except no. Gooby plz


I agree with you OP, the endings are good now. 






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Indeed post EC the endings are pretty decent and give us closure.  Of course some people won't shutup about how they hate them but they are just being petty and spiteful at this point.[/quote]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...
After this long you are just here to troll and insult the game, it's fans, and it's devs.  There is no reason to be posting in a forum for a game you hate several months after the fact.    So go to your reddit, 4chan, or rpgcodex they would like you in those places.
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[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...
Idiots,  DLC is not about the endings.  BDTS didn't change the ending of ME 1, normandy crash site, zaeed, kasumi, firewalker pack, overlord, lotsb, and arrival didn't change the ME 2 endings, RTO, shale, and warden's keep didn't change  the ending ofDAO, and legacy, sebastian, and MotA didn't change the ending of DA2.  So get over your spoiled overentitled sense of selfisnness and undestand that bioware has specificaly stated they are done working on the endings and stop ruining every damn discussion about any single player dlc coming out now or in the future!!   Thick headed morons don't have a clue[/quote]


[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

If you are using a video game to get off on than you have other problems[/quote]


[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is you people

"So what do you think about wrex or wreav?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"What is you favorite shotgun in the game?"  WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"So this new DLC has new areas to explore and new weapons and armor you can equip."  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK"

"Do you want fries with that?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"What is the weather forcast for today?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"Did you see that game last night?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"Who are you voting for Obama or Romney?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"[/quote]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

There is more to the game than the last damn 5 minutes.  Also it has been over 7 months go away and get a life already.
[/quote]


[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...


I don't know how many times bioware has said that they aren't changing the endings yet some of these people can't get it through their thick skulls.  We are going to be hearing the same crap from them everytime a new sp dlc comes out.  They are like the kid that asks "are we there yet" every 5 minutes[/quote]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...
I didn't realize being a prententious ****** that thinks they are better than other people all of a sudden constituted a discussion.  You haters can now stop hijacking this support thread.[/quote]


And thats just the tip of the iceberg. Pot, Kettle.






[/quote]
He likes to insult everyone he disagrees with and spew hatred. And then accuses of such behavior his opponents.

[Bourne Endeavor]

maaaze wrote...

ShepComing4U wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

What choices? People throw this like a slogan without even thinking about it

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I can name a few. Rachni Queen, Collector Base, Cerberus, EMS, and more. People attack this slogan without even thinking about it. 

well...the reaper Rachni queen wil betray you...the collector base makes control possible with low ems, ems determens the availability and success of the endings. don´t know what you mean with cerberus.

so there is that...

At the OP...there is a nice support thread also here if you want to read it .

This caught my attention, seeing it is often the mainstay rebuttal to the choice argument.

Rachni Queen: Your decision from ME is invalidated because if you opt to kill her, the Reapers have a back up. The subsequent differences are minuscule at best.

The Collect Base: This was the pinnacle choice of ME2, something that ought to tie the two games together in a somewhat meaningful way. Instead, it became little more than a footnote, further demonstrating just how irrelevant ME2 was.

EMS: We spend the duration of the game collecting assets to fill an arbitrary number. There is never any instance of us witnessing any of said assets doing anything beyond bolstering that number. In addition, one can certainly argue the ending ought to be determined more by player choice throughout actions in the game, not by a number's game. After all, neither Mass Effect 1 or 2 require collectible trophies for their endings.

Cerberus: I suspect the reference is toward their abrupt retcon. In ME2 they were of ambiguous allegiance, operating more as a splinter organization. EDI even offers exposition on their overall structure and military. Fast-forward to Mass Effect 3 and they have somehow massed the largest armada in the Galaxy; enough to openly assault the Citadel, while attacking numerous sections of said galaxy.

So where did this abundance of personal come from? What point was their to work for them? In fact, what purposes did the Human-Reaper serve? If the Reapers were arriving in six months following ME2. There is not any plausible way Harbinger would have finished constructing it. Not that it made any difference seeing Cerberus salvaged it regardless of your decision (ME2, big deal!)

Choice was a selling feature of this franchise. People readily expected the choices they were allotted would have a greater influence than a few cameos and footnote references. Look at ME2, where ten characters you spent a whole game recruiting, barely have any scene time. For some, namely Mordin and Thane, this worked. Miranda is an odd exception to both rules. She had some time but given the plot, Cerberus' actions and her former status as their second. There was no reason for her not to be aboard the Normandy. Not a good one anyway.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 14 octobre 2012 - 12:45 .

[Xilizhra]

So where did this abundance of personal come from? What point was their to work for them? In fact, what purposes did the Human-Reaper serve? If the Reapers were arriving in six months following ME2. There is not any plausible way Harbinger would have finished constructing it. Not that it made any difference seeing Cerberus salvaged it regardless of your decision (ME2, big deal!)

Cerberus' army came from kidnapping and implanting any humans they could get their hands on. As for the human-Reaper, I believe the Collectors were testing it to see if humans were a viable source; EDI surmises that a Prothean Reaper turned out to be a failure, so I doubt they'd want to start the harvest focused on humans if humans wouldn't be compatible with a capital ship.

[Davik Kang]

Hahahahahahhaha oh man I love the internet.  Guy comes on yesterday to post about the ending cos he liked it.  He didn't even feel the need to create a new thread.  Actually searched through the forums to find an existing ending support thread.  Within minutes, people suddenly feel the need to post...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

The ending was very good, it was more than good it was amazing....
at driving away ME's most loyal fans.

N7 Lisbeth wrote...
Anyone that did like the endings (with the caveat that they have no criticisms whatsoever) have, without a doubt, room-temperture IQ.

Too good!  I love it.  I do wonder, what is the motivation behind jumping on a forum just to say that someone who liked something is wrong - in fact, according to the above, mentally handicapped - for liking it?  What is the actual reason?  You have both already posted elsewhere that you don't like the ending.  Why post again in response to this guy?  What is the point?

The only logical reason I can come up with, is that you feel bad, and you like to make other people feel bad too.  Or perhaps you don't even feel bad, you just like to spread misery.  Am I wrong?  Please, regail me with your rationale!  I await eagerly!

[Gravbh]

magnetite wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Indeed some people didn't get the memo.  bioware doesn't have to cater to a loud angry minority.  I am sure most people will play and enjoy omega.

Oh I personally can't wait to play it. 

All you need for proof of how petty and unable to get over things many of the haters are is this thread. It's a SUPPORT thread, yet it's still filled to the brim with them. God-forbid someone actually likes the thing that murdered their family, kicked their dog, burned their house down, fired them from their job and personaly kicked them in the junk, i.e. ME3's ending.

I'm guessing some of these people still mope about how their High School girlfriend dumped them when they go to their 10 year reunion. They're clearly unable to get over things.

Modifié par Gravbh, 14 octobre 2012 - 01:00 .

[davepissedatending]

Before the ec the ending was terrible after the ec was a lot better over all tho mass effect 3 is one of my best games of all time! Bring on omega cart wait lol

[xAmilli0n]

An ending support thread...this is actually kind of refreshing. Though I can't say I liked the ending (could have been handled better, even if they kept the same choices), I enjoyed the ride, and I can appreciate the impact Shepard had on the galaxy, regardless of your ending choice. Would I change some things? Yes, but this is what we got, and at this point, I'm okay with it.

[KotorEffect3]

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

[quote]Eterna5 wrote...

[quote]Ticonderoga117 wrote...

When your ending puts more value in symbolism than common sense, it has failed. And ME3's ending failed horribly. [/quote]

Yeah, except no. Gooby plz


I agree with you OP, the endings are good now. 






[/quote]


Indeed post EC the endings are pretty decent and give us closure.  Of course some people won't shutup about how they hate them but they are just being petty and spiteful at this point.[/quote]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...
After this long you are just here to troll and insult the game, it's fans, and it's devs.  There is no reason to be posting in a forum for a game you hate several months after the fact.    So go to your reddit, 4chan, or rpgcodex they would like you in those places.
[/quote]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...
Idiots,  DLC is not about the endings.  BDTS didn't change the ending of ME 1, normandy crash site, zaeed, kasumi, firewalker pack, overlord, lotsb, and arrival didn't change the ME 2 endings, RTO, shale, and warden's keep didn't change  the ending ofDAO, and legacy, sebastian, and MotA didn't change the ending of DA2.  So get over your spoiled overentitled sense of selfisnness and undestand that bioware has specificaly stated they are done working on the endings and stop ruining every damn discussion about any single player dlc coming out now or in the future!!   Thick headed morons don't have a clue[/quote]


[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

If you are using a video game to get off on than you have other problems[/quote]


[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is you people

"So what do you think about wrex or wreav?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"What is you favorite shotgun in the game?"  WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"So this new DLC has new areas to explore and new weapons and armor you can equip."  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK"

"Do you want fries with that?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"What is the weather forcast for today?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"Did you see that game last night?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"
"Who are you voting for Obama or Romney?"  "WAAAH ENDINGS SUCK!"[/quote]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...

There is more to the game than the last damn 5 minutes.  Also it has been over 7 months go away and get a life already.
[/quote]


[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...


I don't know how many times bioware has said that they aren't changing the endings yet some of these people can't get it through their thick skulls.  We are going to be hearing the same crap from them everytime a new sp dlc comes out.  They are like the kid that asks "are we there yet" every 5 minutes[/quote]

[quote]KotorEffect3 wrote...
I didn't realize being a prententious ****** that thinks they are better than other people all of a sudden constituted a discussion.  You haters can now stop hijacking this support thread.[/quote]


And thats just the tip of the iceberg. Pot, Kettle.






[/quote]
He likes to insult everyone he disagrees with and spew hatred. And then accuses of such behavior his opponents.

[/quote]


Stop hijacking threads just to whine about me.

[KotorEffect3]

Gravbh wrote...

magnetite wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Indeed some people didn't get the memo.  bioware doesn't have to cater to a loud angry minority.  I am sure most people will play and enjoy omega.

Oh I personally can't wait to play it. 

All you need for proof of how petty and unable to get over things many of the haters are is this thread. It's a SUPPORT thread, yet it's still filled to the brim with them. God-forbid someone actually likes the thing that murdered their family, kicked their dog, burned their house down, fired them from their job and personaly kicked them in the junk, i.e. ME3's ending.

I'm guessing some of these people still mope about how their High School girlfriend dumped them when they go to their 10 year reunion. They're clearly unable to get over things.

They deliberately seek out positive threads to attack that is how petty and spiteful they are.  They don't just hate the game they hate anybody that likes it.

[Maxster_]

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Stop hijacking threads just to whine about me.

Your words have no weight, hypocrite.
I will do whatever i want.
Be glad that moderators are covering you, on other sites you would be permabanned long time ago.

[KotorEffect3]

Maxster_ wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Stop hijacking threads just to whine about me.

Your words have no weight, hypocrite.
I will do whatever i want.
Be glad that moderators are covering you, on other sites you would be permabanned long time ago.

blah blah blah, stop wasting bandwith to whine about me.  This is a support thread for people that liked the ending of ME 3 you have no business being here so be gone troll.  If you have a problem with me you can always PM me. 

[Davik Kang]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
They deliberately seek out positive threads to attack that is how petty and spiteful they are.  They don't just hate the game they hate anybody that likes it.

I made the mistake of engaging with a troll in another similar thread.  Ended up burying two pages' worth of posts in incomprehensible gibberish.  I overestimated my abilities in thinking I could reason with the troll and get to the source of its intentions.  But it was a total waste of time of course.

I can only suggest that you simply ignore the troll, no matter how much it grates.  Trolls need food to operate, and any fuel is good enough - the more the better.  Don't feed the troll.  It's always a mistake.

ME3 ending is boom btw.  Loved it.  Too good.  Hairs on back of neck.  Genius.  Amazing.  GGs

Modifié par Davik Kang, 14 octobre 2012 - 06:40 .

[KotorEffect3]

Davik Kang wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
They deliberately seek out positive threads to attack that is how petty and spiteful they are.  They don't just hate the game they hate anybody that likes it.

I made the mistake of engaging with a troll in another similar thread.  Ended up burying two pages' worth of posts in incomprehensible gibberish.  I overestimated my abilities in thinking I could reason with the troll and get to the source of its intentions.  But it was a total waste of time of course.

I can only suggest that you simply ignore the troll, no matter how much it grates.  Trolls need food to operate, and any fuel is good enough - the more the better.  Don't feed the troll.  It's always a mistake.

ME3 ending is boom btw.  Loved it.  Too good.  Hairs on back of neck.  Genius.  Amazing.  GGs

Indeed loved the EC endings my only issue with the orignal endings was the lack of epilogue and exposition.  Both issues the EC fixed to my satisfaction and it gave the trilogy a fitting end in my opinion.

[Maxster_]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Stop hijacking threads just to whine about me.

Your words have no weight, hypocrite.
I will do whatever i want.
Be glad that moderators are covering you, on other sites you would be permabanned long time ago.

blah blah blah, stop wasting bandwith to whine about me.  This is a support thread for people that liked the ending of ME 3 you have no business being here so be gone troll.  If you have a problem with me you can always PM me. 

Forum now have a restricted areas for a whiny EAWare defenders, like you? That's new.
I hope you at least paid for your constant trolling and insulting.

[ld1449]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Honestly, while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ending drove enough people away from ME3 to basically drive it into the ground, I highly doubt that to be the case. There are still a good number of people playing multiplayer, buying DLC, etc. If there weren't, Bioware wouldn't be supporting it with such fervor. They would, rather, write it off as a lost cause.

Yep. They said that if Leviathan doesn't sell, they wouldn't have made Omega. However, it did sell well, so they made Omega. Clearly, there's a lot more people who like Mass Effect 3, than those who may not like it as much due to the endings or what not. Kind of stating the obvious here, but they are going to make DLC and such that most people will enjoy. No point in making a DLC that caters to a small minority, because they wouldn't make any money with it.  

Indeed some people didn't get the memo.  bioware doesn't have to cater to a loud angry minority.  I am sure most people will play and enjoy omega.

You do realise that Omega was already 80 percent done. Half of Aria's dialogue is in the campaign to begin with as it stands. Omega is little more than content they did not have time to finish or cut from the game to sell later.

Even if DLC sales were abyssmal and not just Mediocre, which they most likely are, putting in the final touchups to this content to sell at 15 bucks apice would be somewhat worth it since it was mostly finished to begin with.

Because it was supposed to be part of the vanilla game it would account for the size (twice as big supposedly) and the release timeframe , with barely three months between it and leviathan, and even that might be because of Microsoft's schedule regarding DLC more than the time needed to finish it. Normally they announce DLC's a week before they appear, not an entire month in advance.

With AC3 coming out, Dark souls getting its first DLC, Halo 4 and several other releases around the end of oct/begining of nov. Microsoft because of their policies may have told them it was too late to book an october or early nov. release, so they just up and  announced it for late nov.

Don't take Omega's existence as evidence, its flimsy at best, even DA2 had two very large pieces of DLC, and its DLC sales were abhorrent, even without a massive controversy surrounding it.

[ld1449]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...


Stop hijacking threads just to whine about me.

Your words have no weight, hypocrite.
I will do whatever i want.
Be glad that moderators are covering you, on other sites you would be permabanned long time ago.

blah blah blah, stop wasting bandwith to whine about me.  This is a support thread for people that liked the ending of ME 3 you have no business being here so be gone troll.  If you have a problem with me you can always PM me. 

Oh, so you'll stay out of ending hate threads? Good to know:)

[KotorEffect3]

ld1449 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Honestly, while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ending drove enough people away from ME3 to basically drive it into the ground, I highly doubt that to be the case. There are still a good number of people playing multiplayer, buying DLC, etc. If there weren't, Bioware wouldn't be supporting it with such fervor. They would, rather, write it off as a lost cause.

Yep. They said that if Leviathan doesn't sell, they wouldn't have made Omega. However, it did sell well, so they made Omega. Clearly, there's a lot more people who like Mass Effect 3, than those who may not like it as much due to the endings or what not. Kind of stating the obvious here, but they are going to make DLC and such that most people will enjoy. No point in making a DLC that caters to a small minority, because they wouldn't make any money with it.  

Indeed some people didn't get the memo.  bioware doesn't have to cater to a loud angry minority.  I am sure most people will play and enjoy omega.

You do realise that Omega was already 80 percent done. Half of Aria's dialogue is in the campaign to begin with as it stands. Omega is little more than content they did not have time to finish or cut from the game to sell later.

Even if DLC sales were abyssmal and not just Mediocre, which they most likely are, putting in the final touchups to this content to sell at 15 bucks apice would be somewhat worth it since it was mostly finished to begin with.

Because it was supposed to be part of the vanilla game it would account for the size (twice as big supposedly) and the release timeframe , with barely three months between it and leviathan, and even that might be because of Microsoft's schedule regarding DLC more than the time needed to finish it. Normally they announce DLC's a week before they appear, not an entire month in advance.

With AC3 coming out, Dark souls getting its first DLC, Halo 4 and several other releases around the end of oct/begining of nov. Microsoft because of their policies may have told them it was too late to book an october or early nov. release, so they just up and  announced it for late nov.

Don't take Omega's existence as evidence, its flimsy at best, even DA2 had two very large pieces of DLC, and its DLC sales were abhorrent, even without a massive controversy surrounding it.

Which explains why Leviathan sold so well

[ld1449]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

DadeLeviathan wrote...

Honestly, while I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the ending drove enough people away from ME3 to basically drive it into the ground, I highly doubt that to be the case. There are still a good number of people playing multiplayer, buying DLC, etc. If there weren't, Bioware wouldn't be supporting it with such fervor. They would, rather, write it off as a lost cause.

Yep. They said that if Leviathan doesn't sell, they wouldn't have made Omega. However, it did sell well, so they made Omega. Clearly, there's a lot more people who like Mass Effect 3, than those who may not like it as much due to the endings or what not. Kind of stating the obvious here, but they are going to make DLC and such that most people will enjoy. No point in making a DLC that caters to a small minority, because they wouldn't make any money with it.  

Indeed some people didn't get the memo.  bioware doesn't have to cater to a loud angry minority.  I am sure most people will play and enjoy omega.

You do realise that Omega was already 80 percent done. Half of Aria's dialogue is in the campaign to begin with as it stands. Omega is little more than content they did not have time to finish or cut from the game to sell later.

Even if DLC sales were abyssmal and not just Mediocre, which they most likely are, putting in the final touchups to this content to sell at 15 bucks apice would be somewhat worth it since it was mostly finished to begin with.

Because it was supposed to be part of the vanilla game it would account for the size (twice as big supposedly) and the release timeframe , with barely three months between it and leviathan, and even that might be because of Microsoft's schedule regarding DLC more than the time needed to finish it. Normally they announce DLC's a week before they appear, not an entire month in advance.

With AC3 coming out, Dark souls getting its first DLC, Halo 4 and several other releases around the end of oct/begining of nov. Microsoft because of their policies may have told them it was too late to book an october or early nov. release, so they just up and  announced it for late nov.

Don't take Omega's existence as evidence, its flimsy at best, even DA2 had two very large pieces of DLC, and its DLC sales were abhorrent, even without a massive controversy surrounding it.

Which explains why Leviathan sold so well

Evidence?

If you're referring to priestly's post, I distinctly remember hearing the same from DA2's dirrector a month before everything was canceled and the bottom fell out.

Again, flimsy evidence is flimsy.

If you have actual numbers to show, then please do. It'll end this whole song and dance once and for all.

[The Night Mammoth]

I do not support this thread.