530 réponses à ce sujet

[Will-o'-wisp]

I got to agree with the OP: Human Noble was by far the most boring origin, but that's just my personal opinion. I started playing a human noble two or three times for the queen-ending, but never came past Ostagar. There was simply nothing about the origin that interested me.

My favourite origin is Dwarfen Noble. I simply loved the political tension, the intrigues and the struggle against my two brothers. The Gorim-"romance" was a nice addition as well. It was all very well done and added a whole new and personal dimension to the Orzammar-Questline. It may not have been very well exercised in terms of dialogue differences but the inner dilemma of my character as I roleplayed it was just a great addition to my game.

To give a little ranking:

1) Dwarfen Noble
2) City Elf
3) Mage (race doesn't matter much but I prefer elf)
4) Dalish Elf
5) Dwarfen Commoner
6) Human Noble

Strangely I ended up with a male elven mage for my current canon playthrough... guess I needed a little change

[brushyourteeth]

Melca36 wrote...

I've heard all of Nan's dialogue.   And yes it made me hate Nan but it did not detract from my enjoyment of the Origin.

I agree there should be more options but they will never get rid of the human origin.

 

Its now become fashionable to label people as racists just because they prefer playing humans and I find that extremely offensive.

Seriously though, I just wish people would let people play how they want to play. I absolutely loathe the Dwarf Noble Origin but I love the Dwarf Commoner Origin.   That said, I don't diss people because  they enjoy it.

Oh - your point of view makes sense! And I don't think she was saying that people who prefer humans are racists. Just that one of the reasons the Human Noble origin wasn't her favorite was because she wished she could have chewed Nan out but couldn't.

[KingRoxas]

 How can a race be boring? I find the dalish elves to be boring but that is more about what sort of people they are. (Culture/History.)

Modifié par Kingroxas, 01 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

[eroeru]

PsychoBlonde wrote...
 If they'd actually pull out something really weird or interesting about the elves or dwarves, maybe I'd care.

Being underground as a normal way of living, and not bareing the outside would be one. A good understanding with nature and one's "roots" would be another, though maybe less weird. Also drunken dwarves never cought you interested? What about the perspective of awkward and "different" romances? :happy:

[Sylvius the Mad]

brushyourteeth wrote...

No, no no. You guys are missing the point.

The writers intended Nan to be racist, and intended for your Cousland to either not notice or not care about Nan's racism - in order to deliberately show how priviledged you were as a human and how ridiculously mistreated and downtrodden the elves are (notice how they act like scared kids instead of confident adults? That's city elves). The same thing was done when you were introduced to your tutor, to show that you were educated. And introduced to other nobles, to show that you were priviledged. It was beautifully done.

Xilizhra was just saying that the fact that you're not able to say "Hey, quit being mean to those elves." put a bad taste in her mouth. And it was meant to. If she decided she didn't like being a Cousland after that, that's completely her business. If it didn't bother you (like it didn't bother me), then great. But don't jump down her throat for having different preferences than yours.

No, you're missing the point.  Xilizhra's desire to have the game allow her character to actively express any opinion she can imagine isn't feasible.  The writers cannot foresee everything you might want your character to say.

But what they can do is not make you say character-breaking things, and they did that pretty well in DAO.  Yes, Cousland can support Nan's racism, but similarly Cousland can ignore Nan's racism, be unaware of Nan's racism, be resigned to Nan's racism, be angry about Nan's racism - all of those are possible.  The only restriction is that Cousland can't speak out about most of them, but that doesn't change what sort of character Cousland can be.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Kingroxas wrote...

 How can a race be boring? I find the dalish elves to be boring but that is more about what sort of people they are. (Culture/History.)

I found them pathetic more than boring.  The only interesting Dalish PC I managed shared my opinion, and sought any way to make his life meaningful that didn't involve pretending that thousands of years of history hadn't happened.

[Sylvianus]

Yeah, no. Human noble was my favorite origin in DAO, Thank you.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 01 octobre 2012 - 06:57 .

[brushyourteeth]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

No, no no. You guys are missing the point.

The writers intended Nan to be racist, and intended for your Cousland to either not notice or not care about Nan's racism - in order to deliberately show how priviledged you were as a human and how ridiculously mistreated and downtrodden the elves are (notice how they act like scared kids instead of confident adults? That's city elves). The same thing was done when you were introduced to your tutor, to show that you were educated. And introduced to other nobles, to show that you were priviledged. It was beautifully done.

Xilizhra was just saying that the fact that you're not able to say "Hey, quit being mean to those elves." put a bad taste in her mouth. And it was meant to. If she decided she didn't like being a Cousland after that, that's completely her business. If it didn't bother you (like it didn't bother me), then great. But don't jump down her throat for having different preferences than yours.

No, you're missing the point.  Xilizhra's desire to have the game allow her character to actively express any opinion she can imagine isn't feasible.  The writers cannot foresee everything you might want your character to say.

But what they can do is not make you say character-breaking things, and they did that pretty well in DAO.  Yes, Cousland can support Nan's racism, but similarly Cousland can ignore Nan's racism, be unaware of Nan's racism, be resigned to Nan's racism, be angry about Nan's racism - all of those are possible.  The only restriction is that Cousland can't speak out about most of them, but that doesn't change what sort of character Cousland can be.

Thanks for the input, I guess, but you obviously haven't read my posts on this topic previous to this, or you'd know that you're repeating much of what I've already said, and not specificially addressing what I talking about just now.

[Pelle6666]

I liked human noble, it was the origin that was most melded into the main plot. It's also much easier to relate to a human main character than one of any other race, the player have to see the world from the eyes of the protagonist and that is easiest to do from the human perspective.

[KingRoxas]

NVM

Modifié par Kingroxas, 01 octobre 2012 - 07:05 .

[Sylvianus]

Nan is maybe racist, but my warden wasn't. He didn't say anything because elves were servants, and Nan their chief, that's it. And elves are not abused before his eyes either. They even seemed to joke with her. Nan's mission was to take care of the castle for the Coustland. That's what she tried to do with her servants under her orders. My warden is a noble, that was normal for him, a common thing, whether servants are humans or elves. Also he has done everything to help the elves in DAO, so no, the human origin isn't racist at all, just because you can't say ," I am not a racist " in the wheel.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 01 octobre 2012 - 07:19 .

[Chaoswind]

honestly I took Nan racism as a non issue, Nan was an overall crazy old woman wanting to leave the house because my dog annoyed her, the fact that on every other turn you can threat elves as people only reinforces the fact that the only reason my cousland didn't kick Nan in the ass is because she was my nanny and she was only being herself.

Like that racist grandma that everyone ignores.

[Sylvius the Mad]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Thanks for the input, I guess, but you obviously haven't read my posts on this topic previous to this, or you'd know that you're repeating much of what I've already said, and not specificially addressing what I talking about just now.

Oh.

The writers intended Nan to be racist, and intended for your Cousland to either not notice or not care about Nan's racism - in order to deliberately show how priviledged you were as a human...

I guess I just don't see the value in that.  Once I'm in the game, it's too late to tell me anything that would affect my character design, and there are just too many different ways for the PC to feel about Nan's behaviour for it to have any specific effect.

[Melca36]

Sylvianus wrote...

Nan is maybe racist, but my warden wasn't. He didn't say anything because elves were servants, and Nan their chief, that's it. And elves are not abused before his eyes either. They even seemed to joke with her. Nan's mission was to take care of the castle for the Coustland. That's what she tried to do with her servants under her orders. My warden is a noble, that was normal for him, a common thing, whether servants are humans or elves. Also he has done everything to help the elves in DAO, so no, the human origin isn't racist at all, just because you can't say ," I am not a racist " in the wheel.

Theres actually a line in the game where its stated Highever has the best Alienage of all of them.

[Chaoswind]

Because the Couslands are the best family in Felderen nobility.

That is why their lost is so tragic and why the Human Noble is the best Origin... you are doing everything for Feleren (if you take the right dialog) or for supreme revenge.

[Arokel]

Chaoswind wrote...

honestly I took Nan racism as a non issue, Nan was an overall crazy old woman wanting to leave the house because my dog annoyed her, the fact that on every other turn you can threat elves as people only reinforces the fact that the only reason my cousland didn't kick Nan in the ass is because she was my nanny and she was only being herself.

Like that racist grandma that everyone ignores.

I don't think Nan was racist.  

Sure she mentioned their race but she would probably treat human servants just as bad!

[Sylvianus]

Nevermind.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 01 octobre 2012 - 07:43 .

[Chaoswind]

hence being herself, and not because she hated elves

Modifié par Chaoswind, 01 octobre 2012 - 07:43 .

[MisterJB]

What exactly is so racist about Old Nan? Sure, she seemed a bit agressive towards those servants but not only did they felt confortable enough to insult her right back, she also doesn't refrain from yelling at one of the nobles of the household.

Modifié par MisterJB, 01 octobre 2012 - 07:58 .

[LPPrince]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Amalur did this very well.  You got to decide everything about why your character was dead and how he ended up on that corpse wagon.

Well yeah, but towards the end of the game you find out what ACTUALLY happened.

The game doesn't tell you specifically how your character died, but the game DOES tell you what your character was doing(or trying to do), the game tells you that your character failed to do it, and that that was when your character died.

It basically kept things up to your imagination for the vast majority of the game before revealing what really happened.

[Sylvius the Mad]

LPPrince wrote...

Well yeah, but towards the end of the game you find out what ACTUALLY happened.

The game doesn't tell you specifically how your character died, but the game DOES tell you what your character was doing(or trying to do), the game tells you that your character failed to do it, and that that was when your character died.

It basically kept things up to your imagination for the vast majority of the game before revealing what really happened.

Okay, that's not cool.  I'm now kind of glad that I couldn't tolerate the combat system.

[Maclimes]

LPPrince wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Amalur did this very well.  You got to decide everything about why your character was dead and how he ended up on that corpse wagon.

Well yeah, but towards the end of the game you find out what ACTUALLY happened.

The game doesn't tell you specifically how your character died, but the game DOES tell you what your character was doing(or trying to do), the game tells you that your character failed to do it, and that that was when your character died.

It basically kept things up to your imagination for the vast majority of the game before revealing what really happened.

Like KOTOR.

[Maria Caliban]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Well yeah, but towards the end of the game you find out what ACTUALLY happened.

Okay, that's not cool.  I'm now kind of glad that I couldn't tolerate the combat system.

It was a very KotOR like moment in that it both gave you a backstory, but still let whatever character you'd created be accurate.

[brushyourteeth]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Thanks for the input, I guess, but you obviously haven't read my posts on this topic previous to this, or you'd know that you're repeating much of what I've already said, and not specificially addressing what I talking about just now.

Oh.

That sounded rude of me. I'm so sorry. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Well yeah, but towards the end of the game you find out what ACTUALLY happened.

Okay, that's not cool.  I'm now kind of glad that I couldn't tolerate the combat system.

It was a very KotOR like moment in that it both gave you a backstory, but still let whatever character you'd created be accurate.

That's fine, then.  It's the line between KotOR and KotOR2 that shouldn't be crossed.