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Fiacre wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

I liked Logian as a character, DuskWarden. But deep and complex? He wanted power, and killed his king to gain it. Wasn't much else to it. He was the classic "Judas" style villain.

That is... pretty much the opposite of Loghain's character.

Yup.

[Josielyn]

I have to admit that my first time through in DAO I played as a dwarf just because I love their buildings. I ended up playing through at least the origin part of all the races, but the 2 that I completed were Dwarven commoner and Human Noble. What I liked about DA2 was that you experienced both commoner and noble in the same game, so although you were limited to one race, at least your social class had some variety.

[robertthebard]

FaWa wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I thought the Human Noble origin was the best of the bunch.

It was the most tied in with the main plot, and it gives a personal angle for wanting to bring down Howe and Loghain that isn't present in most of the other origins.

They could have easily made connections like that for the other races. Human Nobles are to Dragon Age as Liara is to Mass Effect. "Writer's Pet" I believe the correct term would be.

Really?  Because I felt that my CE would just let Denerim burn after clearing the Alienage, why would she give a rat's ass what happened to the humans?

I can't see how my Dalish would much care for the Shemlens either.

I'm also having a really hard time figuring an angle for Dwarves.  In context with the post you quoted, HN was the most closely tied to the story arc.  Howe stole your keep, and your lands, and killed your parents, sister in law and nephew to do it, along with your mom's guests.  This is a pretty personal motivation to put an end to Howe and Loghain.  The fact that it is mentioned in the origin that your family are staunch supporters of the King make it even more directly tied in.  So no, they couldn't have tied the other stories into the main plot any better than HN.

[Chaoswind]

Necrophilia is bad...

So I went and played female Elf to see why it was so special (as far as Flemeth hut so far) and so superior to the human noble.

And I can't see the so called mistreatment or the underdog factor AT all; everyone calls me "my lady" and Few have made comments about me being an elf pass the origin, yeah Vaughn may have raped shiani "both had all their clothes on when you find them, if bioware wants me to think he raped, then they should had tried harder", so in my eyes noble human and noble dwarf are the best origins, City Elf hardly deserves the appraisal of so many.

Now if everyone is threating me in the same way they threated a female human noble because I am wearing a noble dress whenever I am not in battle, if that is the reason then that shows that the origin or race has little to do with the threatment you receive, in the end it comes down to how you are dressed.

[Chaoswind]

Necrophilia is bad...

So I went and played female Elf to see why it was so special (as far as Flemeth hut so far) and so superior to the human noble.

And I can't see the so called mistreatment or the underdog factor AT all; everyone calls me "my lady" and Few have made comments about me being an elf pass the origin, yeah Vaughn may have raped shiani "both had all their clothes on when you find them, if bioware wants me to think he raped, then they should had tried harder", so in my eyes noble human and noble dwarf are the best origins, City Elf hardly deserves the appraisal of so many.

Now if everyone is threating me in the same way they threated a female human noble because I am wearing a noble dress whenever I am not in battle, if that is the reason then that shows that the origin or race has little to do with the threatment you receive, in the end it comes down to how you are dressed.

[TCBC_Freak]

One thing to point out is that having a voiced character shouldn't limit you to one race. For example, Varric doesn't "sound like a dwarf," and Fenrris doesn't, "sound like an elf." They both have voices that sound the same as any human does, and you can't even start to tell me that Tallis' voice actor couldn't play a human...

I say this because it bothers me that even Bioware seems to use this to keep us playing humans. Not that that in-and-of itself bothers me, because it doesn't, I don't give too hoots if we can play as other races, it'd be cool, but I don't care. After all I play a human in most games; like Uncharted, Mass Effect, MLB: the Show, Dynasty Warriors,so forth and so on.

[rolson00]

elves were my favourite race but the cousland origin story was by far the best

[Si-Shen]

It would be nice to have race choice again.
To be honest I think the real reason that in DA2 we didn't have one was because it makes more sense story-wise for the character to be human. It is a lot less work to make you all human then make several "contingency families" to fill in. It is a bit hard to explain how a Dwarf is related by BLOOD to humans, same with elves, when your mother is obviously human. Remember cross breeding does not work the way it does in most other games, human + elf = human, human 9 + dwarf = human, devs already covered this.

I still would like the choise back.

[Celtic Latino]

I have to disagree with you there.

Human Noble was one of the better origin stories of DA: Origins in my opinion and fit the DA Universe nicely (not to mention had the best benefits in terms of choices and consequences).

Hawke and Commander Shepard were both human and they made excellent characters not because of their race but because of what they could do and their storylines. In fact, in my opinion some of the most boring squadmates and party members in these games aren't human.

While I'd absolutely love to have the option of playing elves or dwarves (kossith?) for DA3, race selection isn't a gamebreaker. Tons of retcons and having a forced protagonist as though you were playing a typical jrpg is however.

[Joy Divison]

Chaoswind wrote...

Necrophilia is bad...

So I went and played female Elf to see why it was so special (as far as Flemeth hut so far) and so superior to the human noble.

And I can't see the so called mistreatment or the underdog factor AT all; everyone calls me "my lady" and Few have made comments about me being an elf pass the origin, yeah Vaughn may have raped shiani "both had all their clothes on when you find them, if bioware wants me to think he raped, then they should had tried harder", so in my eyes noble human and noble dwarf are the best origins, City Elf hardly deserves the appraisal of so many.

Now if everyone is threating me in the same way they threated a female human noble because I am wearing a noble dress whenever I am not in battle, if that is the reason then that shows that the origin or race has little to do with the threatment you receive, in the end it comes down to how you are dressed.

If you don't see it, I don;t know what to tell you other than you don't want to see it.

And if you don;t realize that after the Origins story, more often the PC is referred to as the generic "warden" than their race/background, you either haven't played the game much or didn't pay attention.  The writers should have included more varying dialogue after the Origins story which reflected who you were and what you did in the Origins, but I'm guessing that would have required a lot more resources.

[Vitlen]

Humans are the best race just let me pick sex and profession.
and if someone wants to play as frog or bug then too bad for him.

[Menagra]

I disagree with people who though human noble was best. True human noble tied in with story in many ways. But City Elf was by far the best. That storyline alone was likely involved in why DA:O won so many awards. Many may not remember, but the "elf racism" twist was highly regarded back in DA:O era. Also the numerous back stories was extremely innovative and it's a shame if bioware chooses to limit us to humans again.

Modifié par infraredman, 06 octobre 2012 - 05:50 .

[Shadow Fox]

*still thinks Elves are best*

Modifié par Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke, 06 octobre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Menagra]

Vitlen wrote...

Humans are the best race just let me pick sex and profession.
and if someone wants to play as frog or bug then too bad for him.

No we want to play as elf, dwarf and one day qunari as they are all races in teh game and yes some have been playable before.

[BanksHector]

I do not mind as only playing as a human if we are not going to have origins stories in the game, but I really wish they would let me play as a Qunari.

[Acranger]

Elves (City and Dalish) for the win. I enjoyed every single origin in DA:O

[snackrat]

I miss the dwarves. They're my favourite, and they got put on the wayside a little bit for DA2. :< In fact, the women disappeared altogether! I would love to be able to play a dwarf again, either gender.

[Felya87]

City Elf and Human Noble where the more tied origins to the Landsmeet, if we want to se it. But I can't stant the HN origin. Maybe because my first (and second!) Warden was a City Elf. that passed me the hate for all the HN.

i don't undestand who didn't see the difference with playng as a City Elf. It's true, a lot of time there isn't all that difference, because the characters see you as a Warden, and not Elf or Human, but the difference is it. Is in the answers of the PG, and in the people (expecially Ostragar) that think you are a servant.

And in the Alienage. Don't know others, but having to save your father from the slavers made me feel furios. I could have tried a more diplomatic and less agressive approach to the mission. But they were selling the people you where grow up with!

I killed every one. even the Elf slaver. I could have talker her to go away with no problem. Bet she deserve to die. I haven't even let the boss mage speak.

With a Human character. I would not have fell that way. I would have choose a more diplomatic path. Hell, maybe I would have made the blood magic rithual.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?


Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

Why? Exactly because we are humans in our everyday life. We know how human perceive things and response to events. Playing fictional being with fictional perception based on human's assumption is not realistic. PLUS, I prefer different roleplaying style - self insert roleplaying which could only be possible playing as human.

I think the better question is why do we forced to play with Hawke? Why not Cassandra? The entire story was written from the "wrong angle" of third person perceptions which work best if the player play as Cassandra or Varric recounting flashback of a third person character, BioWare's Hawke. Because It make no sense for first person Hawke to be, "gone like the warden" and view the entire interrogating scenes.
 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:23 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I agree with OP completely. At the very least, should this game sell well enough and BioWare decides to do a full-length expansion, in the same way they did with Dragon Age Awakening, could we at least have a protagonist of another race than human?

[Shadow Fox]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?


Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

Why? Exactly because we are humans in our everyday life. We know how human perceive things and response to events. Playing fictional being with fictional perception based on human's assumption is not realistic. PLUS, I prefer different roleplaying style - self insert roleplaying which could only be possible playing as human.

I think the better question is why do we forced to play with Hawke? Why not Cassandra? The entire story was written from the "wrong angle" of third person perceptions which work best if the player play as Cassandra or Varric recounting flashback of a third person character, BioWare's Hawke. Because It make no sense for first person Hawke to be, "gone like the warden" and view the entire interrogating scenes.
 

I didn't know fantasy games were realistic.

[Eveangaline]

robertthebard wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I thought the Human Noble origin was the best of the bunch.

It was the most tied in with the main plot, and it gives a personal angle for wanting to bring down Howe and Loghain that isn't present in most of the other origins.

They could have easily made connections like that for the other races. Human Nobles are to Dragon Age as Liara is to Mass Effect. "Writer's Pet" I believe the correct term would be.

Really?  Because I felt that my CE would just let Denerim burn after clearing the Alienage, why would she give a rat's ass what happened to the humans?

I can't see how my Dalish would much care for the Shemlens either.

I'm also having a really hard time figuring an angle for Dwarves.  In context with the post you quoted, HN was the most closely tied to the story arc.  Howe stole your keep, and your lands, and killed your parents, sister in law and nephew to do it, along with your mom's guests.  This is a pretty personal motivation to put an end to Howe and Loghain.  The fact that it is mentioned in the origin that your family are staunch supporters of the King make it even more directly tied in.  So no, they couldn't have tied the other stories into the main plot any better than HN.

If you let the darkspawn sack a large human city, that's more kidnapped people into broodmothers or just tainted and turned into darkspawn servents like the Dalish wardens friend

Plus, it's a chance to hit the archdemon and end the blight for good and keep your people out of danger

[Fiacre]

infraredman wrote...

I disagree with people who though human noble was best. True human noble tied in with story in many ways. But City Elf was by far the best. That storyline alone was likely involved in why DA:O won so many awards. Many may not remember, but the "elf racism" twist was highly regarded back in DA:O era. Also the numerous back stories was extremely innovative and it's a shame if bioware chooses to limit us to humans again.

It's entirely a matter of opinion. The CE origin completely failed to draw me in emotionally, so it's far from being the best -- for me. The HN origin failed to draw other people in, and is therefore not the best for them. It did dra me in, though, which is why I like it best.

Personally, I still like the Dalish elf better. As far as emotional response goes, it might even be my second favourite after the HN. Shame they dropped the ball when it comes to origin specific content...

[Direwolf0294]

I don't think humans are a boring race (personally, I think dwarves are the boring ones), but I do think we should have the option of what race we play as.

As for the origin stories, City Elf was my favourite but I also loved Human Noble because it felt really Game of Thronesy. More origins like either of them in DA3 would be cool. I'd also like origins to be followed up on more during the main game.