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[Galactus_the_Devourer]

I always thought Dwarf Noble was my favourite. (In order it probably goes Dwarf Noble>Human Noble>City Elf>Dwarf Commoner>Mage>Dalish Elf)

[Chaoswind]

Joy Divison wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Necrophilia is bad...

So I went and played female Elf to see why it was so special (as far as Flemeth hut so far) and so superior to the human noble.

And I can't see the so called mistreatment or the underdog factor AT all; everyone calls me "my lady" and Few have made comments about me being an elf pass the origin, yeah Vaughn may have raped shiani "both had all their clothes on when you find them, if bioware wants me to think he raped, then they should had tried harder", so in my eyes noble human and noble dwarf are the best origins, City Elf hardly deserves the appraisal of so many.

Now if everyone is threating me in the same way they threated a female human noble because I am wearing a noble dress whenever I am not in battle, if that is the reason then that shows that the origin or race has little to do with the threatment you receive, in the end it comes down to how you are dressed.

If you don't see it, I don;t know what to tell you other than you don't want to see it.

And if you don;t realize that after the Origins story, more often the PC is referred to as the generic "warden" than their race/background, you either haven't played the game much or didn't pay attention.  The writers should have included more varying dialogue after the Origins story which reflected who you were and what you did in the Origins, but I'm guessing that would have required a lot more resources.

No they called me My lady more often that Elf scum

And honestly so far I have yet to feel the so called underdog factor, I don't have more persuade options and they aren't certainly any harder than on the other classes on the ones that are there, my Human Noble was regarded as a simple warden for most of the game, again I don't see it....

The intimidates are as easy as always, same with persuation.

Rouge Human Female Noble and Rouge Female City Elf feel VERY similar as far as Ostagar/Loithering/Circle Tower....

Maybe it happens more often in Redclift and Denerim?

[CuriousArtemis]

Chaoswind wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Necrophilia is bad...

So I went and played female Elf to see why it was so special (as far as Flemeth hut so far) and so superior to the human noble.

And I can't see the so called mistreatment or the underdog factor AT all; everyone calls me "my lady" and Few have made comments about me being an elf pass the origin, yeah Vaughn may have raped shiani "both had all their clothes on when you find them, if bioware wants me to think he raped, then they should had tried harder", so in my eyes noble human and noble dwarf are the best origins, City Elf hardly deserves the appraisal of so many.

Now if everyone is threating me in the same way they threated a female human noble because I am wearing a noble dress whenever I am not in battle, if that is the reason then that shows that the origin or race has little to do with the threatment you receive, in the end it comes down to how you are dressed.

If you don't see it, I don;t know what to tell you other than you don't want to see it.

And if you don;t realize that after the Origins story, more often the PC is referred to as the generic "warden" than their race/background, you either haven't played the game much or didn't pay attention.  The writers should have included more varying dialogue after the Origins story which reflected who you were and what you did in the Origins, but I'm guessing that would have required a lot more resources.

No they called me My lady more often that Elf scum

And honestly so far I have yet to feel the so called underdog factor, I don't have more persuade options and they aren't certainly any harder than on the other classes on the ones that are there, my Human Noble was regarded as a simple warden for most of the game, again I don't see it....

The intimidates are as easy as always, same with persuation.

Rouge Human Female Noble and Rouge Female City Elf feel VERY similar as far as Ostagar/Loithering/Circle Tower....

Maybe it happens more often in Redclift and Denerim?

I'm playing a boy elf mage right now, and these are the elf-specific things I've noticed:

Lothering:
The bandit makes a comment about an elf leading your group.
The lost little boy comments on your being an elf

Circle:
Of course everyone knew me there so can't comment on that.

Ostagar:
The smith/weapons dealer thinks you're a servant at first.
Javeth admits he and Jory never would have thought the third recruit would be an elf.

Redcliff:
The head templar asks what to call an elf in your position.

Denerium:
I've only just startd wandering around Denerim, but so far, no elf-specific dialogues.

You have the option to respond sarcastically or angrily to all of these comments. People usually get flustered and apologize lol

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I liked the Human origin story. It fit well with Arl Howe and the whole becoming king... thing.

But I still prefer the Dwarf Noble and Dwarf Commoner origin stories the most. The City Elf origin was also good. The Dalish Elf origin story was surprisingly a let down.

[Sanunes]

We are forced to play the most boring race for 80% of the people picked a human in Dragon Age: Origins, followed by 15% for elves and 5% for dwarves.

source: http://social.biowar...x/10591085&lf=8

[Rawgrim]

Right now i am happy if I don`t get to play an alien looking elf. If that means human only; so be it.

[Chaoswind]

motomotogirl wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Necrophilia is bad...

So I went and played female Elf to see why it was so special (as far as Flemeth hut so far) and so superior to the human noble.

And I can't see the so called mistreatment or the underdog factor AT all; everyone calls me "my lady" and Few have made comments about me being an elf pass the origin, yeah Vaughn may have raped shiani "both had all their clothes on when you find them, if bioware wants me to think he raped, then they should had tried harder", so in my eyes noble human and noble dwarf are the best origins, City Elf hardly deserves the appraisal of so many.

Now if everyone is threating me in the same way they threated a female human noble because I am wearing a noble dress whenever I am not in battle, if that is the reason then that shows that the origin or race has little to do with the threatment you receive, in the end it comes down to how you are dressed.

If you don't see it, I don;t know what to tell you other than you don't want to see it.

And if you don;t realize that after the Origins story, more often the PC is referred to as the generic "warden" than their race/background, you either haven't played the game much or didn't pay attention.  The writers should have included more varying dialogue after the Origins story which reflected who you were and what you did in the Origins, but I'm guessing that would have required a lot more resources.

No they called me My lady more often that Elf scum

And honestly so far I have yet to feel the so called underdog factor, I don't have more persuade options and they aren't certainly any harder than on the other classes on the ones that are there, my Human Noble was regarded as a simple warden for most of the game, again I don't see it....

The intimidates are as easy as always, same with persuation.

Rouge Human Female Noble and Rouge Female City Elf feel VERY similar as far as Ostagar/Loithering/Circle Tower....

Maybe it happens more often in Redclift and Denerim?

I'm playing a boy elf mage right now, and these are the elf-specific things I've noticed:

Lothering:
The bandit makes a comment about an elf leading your group.
The lost little boy comments on your being an elf

Circle:
Of course everyone knew me there so can't comment on that.

Ostagar:
The smith/weapons dealer thinks you're a servant at first.
Javeth admits he and Jory never would have thought the third recruit would be an elf.

Redcliff:
The head templar asks what to call an elf in your position.

Denerium:
I've only just startd wandering around Denerim, but so far, no elf-specific dialogues.

You have the option to respond sarcastically or angrily to all of these comments. People usually get flustered and apologize lol

Again hardly a change.

Ostagar:
The smith/weapons dealer is an ass regardless of Origin (treats human better, but that is one out of how many?)
Javeth admits he and Jory never would have thought the third recruit would be Noble

Lothering:
The bandit makes a comment regardless and he dies 99% of the time.
The lost little boy comments on your being an elf (got me there)

Redcliff:
The head templar asks what to call a noble in your position (as a warden)

Again, Underdog factor? do not compute:blink:

Not a single part of the game has been harder as an Elf so far... maybe the The escape in Dracon..... yeah that could be

[CuriousArtemis]

Oh, is that what y'all were arguing? No, the game is not harder. Just different.

[o Ventus]

There are, what, 5 different race/origin combinations to pick? How are you "forced" into playing human noble?

[Chaoswind]

o Ventus this a troll hit towards DA2

[o Ventus]

Chaoswind wrote...

o Ventus this a troll hit towards DA2

I admit, I only read the first page, and all of the replies were about origin stories. That'll teach me for making assumptions.

[RogueWriter3201]

Simply put, I think the OP's opinion is his right, but declaring Humans as "Boring" in a be all end all fashion is Myopic. Now, do I think other races *should* be represented for the main character? Yes. Even if I prefer playing Humans in all Fantasy/Sci-Fi settings (sorry, I just can't live vicariously through or relate to an Non-Human/Alien) I recognize that others want to truly "escape" from themselves, right down to species. And if the DA Team can do that for DA3 that will be, I'm sure, more then well recieved by the Fanbase. However, if the Inquisitor is Human, I will be quite happy.
 

[Kyle Kabanya]

I don't understand why people hate playing as a human in video games? I've played all races and classes, and my personal favorite was Human Noble Warrior.

I enjoyed it the most because it was me, just me being a superhero which made it fantastic. Besides what's so great about being anorexic with pointed ears or four feet tall complaining about being short and falling off the Earth.

I don't mean to sound as if I'm attacking anybody, but I would like a serious answer. When I was younger, I hated being short, and I hated being skinny till I started playing football and hitting the gym.

[CuriousArtemis]

Kyle Kabanya wrote...

I don't understand why people hate playing as a human in video games? I've played all races and classes, and my personal favorite was Human Noble Warrior.

I enjoyed it the most because it was me, just me being a superhero which made it fantastic. Besides what's so great about being anorexic with pointed ears or four feet tall complaining about being short and falling off the Earth.

I don't mean to sound as if I'm attacking anybody, but I would like a serious answer. When I was younger, I hated being short, and I hated being skinny till I started playing football and hitting the gym.

I don't like being a girl and I don't like being tall, so I enjoy playing as a male elf.

But also not everyone plays as "herself" in an RPG. I do not consider myself my character. It's more like I'm writing a story, and I find the elf a more sympathetic and interesting character to write.

You don't mean to attack anybody; you just make fun of their choices.

Modifié par motomotogirl, 07 octobre 2012 - 01:36 .

[cindercatz]

Kyle Kabanya wrote...

I enjoyed it the most because it was me, just me being a superhero which made it fantastic.  

I think that's the crux of it. Personally, I could play as "me" in every game out there if I wanted, but I find it pretty boring, as interesting a human being as I might be. So I tend to avoid games that don't reflect different characterizations and support me playing as somebody else. (That's not to say I don't put myself into my characters at different degrees, just depending on the character.) I can't play Halo anymore, for instance, because Master Chief has no character.

In RPGs, I always create a character (or accept the defined character if that's the kind of game it is) and develope that character and their story. Then, if it's a cRPG like Dragon Age, I can go back and play another character entirely and the more the game supports and reflects that entirely different character and allows me to co-create an entirely different story, the more enjoyment I get out of it. That's the biggest part of the draw for a cRPG, for me. It's all about 'just how strong is the replayability?'

So Origins, along with branching narrative and related race selection, are the most important aspects of Dragon Age to me. I don't really care about feeling like a superhero. It's all shifting narrative, very little power fantasy.

Modifié par cindercatz, 07 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .

[ManOfSteel]

Humans are the best, and hopefully we play as them again in DA3.

From a resources perspective, I also think it's improbable that, with a fully voiced PC, we will get to choose both race and gender. Not a problem for me.

[TheShadowWolf911]

in order of how much i like the origins.

City Elf (it was so cool and interesting) > Dwarf Noble (Yay Politics) > Dwarf Commoner (yay politics........again) > Mage (again, fun to learn about) > Dalish Elf (bit interesting, but admittedly the whole Elf in the forest is kinda done to death) > Human Noble (oh look, your a human noble, you have a family, oh look, Tim Curry is here and has killed your family, time to go get revenge! seriously thats more cliche then the bloody forest elves)

[Bfler]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...

in order of how much i like the origins.

City Elf (it was so cool and interesting) > Dwarf Noble (Yay Politics) > Dwarf Commoner (yay politics........again) > Mage (again, fun to learn about) > Dalish Elf (bit interesting, but admittedly the whole Elf in the forest is kinda done to death) > Human Noble (oh look, your a human noble, you have a family, oh look, Tim Curry is here and has killed your family, time to go get revenge! seriously thats more cliche then the bloody forest elves)

And dwarfes in a big underground city, fighting evil creatures, which they released when they created their tunnels, is not cliche?

[Wynne]

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?

Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

I agree. I'm just sitting around all day, being a human. I don't get to be an elf or a dwarf. I'd prefer either to being a human, in games, but I really like choosing between the three races because it adds to replayability and changes how I see the game world, just a little. 

I didn't dislike HN, but it did feel really archetypal and like stepping into a fantasy novel you've read before--it wasn't as cool as DN. It couldn't possibly be. DN plunged you into a whole other universe you didn't understand. DN didn't slap you with a tragedy that was too familiar, it stabbed you in the back and left you to die in the Deep Roads. And like Jacob from ME, it even married your love interest to some random tramp. 

I enjoyed HN for what it was, and what it gave you within the context of the game's larger plot, but I wished you'd seen more of that in some of the more exotic and interesting origins. A personal stake, like Fergus and Howe. I'd say that loving the HN origin isn't even a good argument for playing as a human, because the reasons you liked it had nothing to do with being human. 

And if someone says "I don't want to force someone to play a stumpy-legged broad character, who would want that?" Then maybe they're looking at it wrong, because some of us are thinking "who would want to be forced to play a tree-legged stick figure?" when we look at humans because the dwarves resemble us more. (I'm 5'1" and I inherited my grandma's rack. So sue me.) This is why variety in body type is an important step for role-playing games--because differences in size draw the player into their role and offer a new perspective on the game. I LIKE playing stumpy-legged broads AND tree-legged people at different times. And pointy-eared ones, too. They're already plenty close enough to us to identify with, but have intriguing minor differences.

The reason people don't mind being human in Mass Effect is that the others are crazy-looking aliens with bird feet. It's not the same in DA's universe--the other races are clearly identifiable as like 99.9% human with different cultures and slightly different features. There's no emotional disconnect from the alien because they're not alien, they're familiar in all ways (even the ears) and only their culture is different (which the human culture is as well.)

If they could combine the feelings of the original origins into fewer origins--maybe 3 instead of 6, one for each race--I think that would be much more rewarding overall. They don't have to be as drastically different as the first game, but it's nice when they aren't quite the same. A background helps you know your character's place in the world, their perspective, and thus what they might want to do or might believe, but replaying the same Origin is seldom as rewarding as a new one. 

I'd prefer a few more detailed origins that persist throughout the game. Hell, even two would be interesting if they let you choose the particulars a little bit. But if it's only two, I'd prefer that one of the two not be human. We've had that already.

Modifié par Wynne, 10 octobre 2012 - 10:47 .

[NasChoka]

Sanunes wrote...

We are forced to play the most boring race for 80% of the people picked a human in Dragon Age: Origins, followed by 15% for elves and 5% for dwarves.

source: http://social.biowar...x/10591085&lf=8

thank you for this link.I didn't expect this.  

But this also means 20% (still a lot of people) prefer to play somehing else. Its still nice to have a choice.

Is wonder if there is a statistic how many of the 80% human/human players gave them their real name and named their dog "dog" 

[SmokePants]

I think I would feel like I was trolling the game if I had a dwarf Warden romance Morrigan in DAO. In general, I need a human PC to be able to take a serious game seriously -- especially one with romance in it. If I pick anything other than human, it's like, "Hey, I just cast a silly mutant in the lead role of your epic 30 hour RPG. Good luck overcoming THAT handicap, suckers. I am so going to heckle this."

Modifié par SmokePants, 10 octobre 2012 - 12:39 .

[Wynne]

Ah yes, that thread. I remember it.

David Gaider wrote...

It's probably worth mentioning that elves were only played by 15% (or less? I don't remember the exact number) of DAO players... as in ever. Meaning only 15% even tried the elven origins on one of their playthroughs.
...
I think this is one of those places where the telemetry doesn't lie. Race options are very popular with a smaller group of players-- to them, the expense is totally worth it. But the vast majority of players will only pick humans, even when options are offered. Whether there's any value to those people that such options exist, even if not taken, is the only intangible element in the equation (and should probably not be underestimated).

I still think most people go "Huh, dwarf, elf... I can't decide. I'm human, I'll just pick a human." Listen to a Let's Play of these kind of games--you will hear the phrase, "Uh... I'm just gonna be a human," a lot, because some people are intimidated by choice or just feel safer picking the standard option, even if that had been elf or dwarf. And possibly also, "Ooh, a noble! Cool. I want to start the game rich." Which is ironic, but probably a motivation. I considered that aspect myself.

Data doesn't lie, but correlation doesn't equal causation. It isn't necessarily an indicator of the quality of the origin OR how much people would like it that only 15% of players even tried an elf, or however many tried dwarf. It could mean the dwarves and elves needed something of a redesign (Helloooo Varric and Fenris!) which was indeed implemented, however successful it was or wasn't in people's eyes.

That's an awfully old quote from David Gaider, so it doesn't necessarily reflect what he thinks at the moment. I hope he and the team have reconsidered elves and dwarves as PCs this time around. Maybe that's why we're The Inquisitor this time around, The Warden-style, and not Ms. or Mr. Eagle. I'm crossing my fingers, anyway.

SmokePants wrote...

I think I would feel like I was trolling the game if I had a dwarf Warden romance Morrigan in DAO. In general, I need a human PC to be able to take a serious game seriously -- especially one with romance in it. If I pick anything other than human, it's like, "Hey, I just cast a silly mutant in the lead role of your epic 30 hour RPG. Good luck overcoming THAT handicap, suckers. I am so going to heckle this."

Female dwarves don't have silly beards and misshapen faces. I don't think you'd have felt as trollish if you'd had dwarves like Varric around. The male dwarves in DAO just weren't sexy like him.

There's nothing wrong with a short guy and a tall chick. I know a couple who consists of a shorter, nice-looking man with glasses and blond hair, and a lovely tall dark-haired woman. Both of them have somewhat stocky builds, but when they're together at company dinners they are anything but ridiculous-looking. It really depends on the portrayal how a couple is received. 

Morrigan with a dwarf like Varric? Not so silly a thought as with a raisin-headed bruise-faced old man dwarf. 

Modifié par Wynne, 10 octobre 2012 - 01:01 .

[upsettingshorts]

I don't think "I'm a human, I'll just pick human."

I think "elves and dwarves are trite fantasy tropes and they bore me, I'd rather they not exist at all."

Humanity offers more than enough options for cultural diversity without pointy-eared, thin, tall versions, and squat, round, bearded versions. When I am King of RPG development, I'll take the resources allocated to dwarves and elves, triple the amount of body shapes available for humans, and detach said shapes from being restricted to a single culture. Diverse body shapes for everyone in all cultures!  As it stands now, elves and dwarves are rarely all that far removed from the Planet of Hats. 

But really, the reason I'm replying is I think assuming what motivates over 80% of 3 million people - the number cited later in said thread - without evidence, especially when that motivation is meant to disparage their thought process, displays casual arrogance and a feeling of having made the superior choice. And that's just off-putting.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 10 octobre 2012 - 01:10 .

[Felya87]

SmokePants wrote...

I think I would feel like I was trolling the game if I had a dwarf Warden romance Morrigan in DAO. In general, I need a human PC to be able to take a serious game seriously -- especially one with romance in it. If I pick anything other than human, it's like, "Hey, I just cast a silly mutant in the lead role of your epic 30 hour RPG. Good luck overcoming THAT handicap, suckers. I am so going to heckle this."

Go tell that to my Castless Dwarf!
He and Morrigan are beutiful together!

I't hard to make a good looking Dwarf male, is true. But is a good character as another. Maybe better from some point of views.

humans in DA:O were a sad race (roleplayng speaking) thier origins are the most banal. Or a spoiled rich brat or a sad mage. (between the two I prefer the mage). there isn't the "street rat" version of the human, who, for my taste, is the best and the one who gives greater sadisfaction.

I think those statistic who Anti-Dwarf and Elf references constantly, are very idiotic. The first game can be made with a human, because it seems the easiest race in the game, with no flaw etcetera. and someone who is playng for the first time, the though is: "well, I don't know how will be the game...I try the easiest race, so I can play with less problems."
Is the way I have choose the soldier career for my first play with ME.

So is not realistic. A lot of people may have played as human at first, but loved much more their second game with another race.