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[Huntress]

marshalleck wrote...

I see you own DA2. That didn't have playable non-human races. You will buy DA3 as well, with its human protagonist.

You forget that DA2 was a story about Hawke who is a human and let me remind you it is very hard to put a dwarf named hawke as PC when it was known that Hawke is a MAGE and known to be a HUMAN.
If you didn't know Dwarves in DA do not have mages or have magical abilities (yet) other than folding Lyrium.

I know is easier to point to DA2 while showing so little knowledge about the game and the why it was Human mage the center of attention in Da2.

Modifié par Huntress, 11 octobre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Shadow Fox]

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Gileadan wrote...

The dilemma is mostly voiced main character vs multiple races... and they went with voiced main character. As long as they do that, there probably won't be a race option during character creation, unless they *really* wanted to invest a lot into different VAs for the protagonist.

Not true, David Gaider has said that voiced protagonist is not the main obstacle of race options. A simple change in background can easily explain why an elf or a dwarf (or kossith) has the same accent as a human surfacer, and thus one voice actor can work for different races. Especially since we've heard elves with baritones and British, French, and Spanish accents (Fenris, Erlina, and Zevran) and we've heard one voice work for different races. 

But that doesn't mean there aren't other reasons for not including playable races, such as story concerns which always take precedence. If being a pointy-eared slender human, or a drunk midget human doesn't fit the story they're telling, you don't get to be one. Sorry.

If a mage can become the most influental person in Templar central I don't why an elf or dwarf can't.

Elves aren't templars and Dwarves are neither mage nor templar.

What?

[marshalleck]

Huntress wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I see you own DA2. That didn't have playable non-human races. You will buy DA3 as well, with its human protagonist.

You forget that DA2 was a story about Hawke who is a human and let me remind you it is very hard to put a dwarf named hawke as PC when it was known that Hawke is a MAGE.
If you didn't know Dwarves in DA do not have mages or have magical abilities (yet) other than folding Lyrium.

I know is easier to point to DA2 while showing so little knowledge about the game and the why it was Human mage the center of attention in Da2.

What in the world are you talking about? Hawke isn't canonically a mage, and I'm well aware of dwarves' non-magical nature. All you're doing here is reinforcing exactly what I was saying about story restricting choice of race. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

@emzamination

and so what if they aren't technically human they bled and have feeling thus deserve respect.

[LPPrince]

Huntress wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I see you own DA2. That didn't have playable non-human races. You will buy DA3 as well, with its human protagonist.

You forget that DA2 was a story about Hawke who is a human and let me remind you it is very hard to put a dwarf named hawke as PC when it was known that Hawke is a MAGE and known to be a HUMAN.
If you didn't know Dwarves in DA do not have mages or have magical abilities (yet) other than folding Lyrium.

I know is easier to point to DA2 while showing so little knowledge about the game and the why it was Human mage the center of attention in Da2.

Am I missing something here? Hawke's human obviously, but Hawke's class is not set in stone. Hawke can be whatever you want he or she to be.

[Emzamination]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Gileadan wrote...

The dilemma is mostly voiced main character vs multiple races... and they went with voiced main character. As long as they do that, there probably won't be a race option during character creation, unless they *really* wanted to invest a lot into different VAs for the protagonist.

Not true, David Gaider has said that voiced protagonist is not the main obstacle of race options. A simple change in background can easily explain why an elf or a dwarf (or kossith) has the same accent as a human surfacer, and thus one voice actor can work for different races. Especially since we've heard elves with baritones and British, French, and Spanish accents (Fenris, Erlina, and Zevran) and we've heard one voice work for different races. 

But that doesn't mean there aren't other reasons for not including playable races, such as story concerns which always take precedence. If being a pointy-eared slender human, or a drunk midget human doesn't fit the story they're telling, you don't get to be one. Sorry.

If a mage can become the most influental person in Templar central I don't why an elf or dwarf can't.

Elves aren't templars and Dwarves are neither mage nor templar.

What?

Said races don't fit in with the current direction of the storyline.

[Melca36]

ShimmeringDjinn wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

But that doesn't mean there aren't other reasons for not including playable races, such as story concerns which always take precedence. If being a pointy-eared slender human, or a drunk midget human doesn't fit the story they're telling, you don't get to be one. Sorry.

You know, it's entirely possible for them to make a story that fits, say, an elf best, rather than a human.

I don't want to be a dirty knife ears 

And some of us don't want to play as yet another HN, or a human in general 

They will never make a game where you can only play an elf.  Because a game like that would not sell.

I'm sorry but thats how people are. I know it sucks.

But the fact remains their stats showed that 80-85% played humans. Hopefully we will get to play races again one day but the developers are going to do what sells.

[Huntress]

marshalleck wrote...

Huntress wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I see you own DA2. That didn't have playable non-human races. You will buy DA3 as well, with its human protagonist.

You forget that DA2 was a story about Hawke who is a human and let me remind you it is very hard to put a dwarf named hawke as PC when it was known that Hawke is a MAGE.
If you didn't know Dwarves in DA do not have mages or have magical abilities (yet) other than folding Lyrium.

I know is easier to point to DA2 while showing so little knowledge about the game and the why it was Human mage the center of attention in Da2.

What in the world are you talking about? Hawke isn't canonically a mage, and I'm well aware of dwarves non-magical nature. All you're doing here is reinforcing exactly what I was saying about story restricting choice of race. 

You need to visit here: http://dragonage.bioware.com/

Thats a hawke human male and a mage.

Watch the trailer. Information is the killer of ignorance.

[marshalleck]

You're out of your mind.

[LPPrince]

Huntress wrote...

You need to visit here: http://dragonage.bioware.com/

Thats a hawke human male and a mage.

Watch the trailer. Information is the killer of ignorance.

That's for advertisement purposes solely. Saying that advertisements make something canon in the story is crazy.

With that mindset, every person who ever played a FemHawke could not in any way play a "canon" playthrough.

That's horseapples.

[Massa FX]

I roleplay a human very comfortably. I'm OK with adding more species but don't take away human characters.

[Seboist]

Melca36 wrote...

So you basically want to deprive women gamers of having the choice to play a femSHEP. You do realize 45% of gamers are women now...don't you? Oh and its 2012 not 1997. <_<

What does the gender or a protaganist have to do with the gender of the players? Do said "female gamers" get butthurt if a film they watch lacks a female protaganist too? And who says players can't enjoy playing as an opposite sex character?

Other than the cosmetic of being Shepard with boobs and some exclusive crappy "romances" femshep contributed nothing of value to ME.

Modifié par Seboist, 11 octobre 2012 - 05:41 .

[Emzamination]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

@emzamination

and so what if they aren't technically human they bled and have feeling thus deserve respect.

Sheep bleed and have feelings too, yet they also are not human nor deserving of respect.Elves lost the war of the dales and were taken into human cities and converted out of conquest and pity.Their status is little more than refugee.

Modifié par Emzamination, 11 octobre 2012 - 05:41 .

[Shadow Fox]

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Faerunner wrote...

Gileadan wrote...

The dilemma is mostly voiced main character vs multiple races... and they went with voiced main character. As long as they do that, there probably won't be a race option during character creation, unless they *really* wanted to invest a lot into different VAs for the protagonist.

Not true, David Gaider has said that voiced protagonist is not the main obstacle of race options. A simple change in background can easily explain why an elf or a dwarf (or kossith) has the same accent as a human surfacer, and thus one voice actor can work for different races. Especially since we've heard elves with baritones and British, French, and Spanish accents (Fenris, Erlina, and Zevran) and we've heard one voice work for different races. 

But that doesn't mean there aren't other reasons for not including playable races, such as story concerns which always take precedence. If being a pointy-eared slender human, or a drunk midget human doesn't fit the story they're telling, you don't get to be one. Sorry.

If a mage can become the most influental person in Templar central I don't why an elf or dwarf can't.

Elves aren't templars and Dwarves are neither mage nor templar.

What?

Said races don't fit in with the current direction of the storyline.

So let me me see if I got this right.

You're saying that an elf*who can become Templars btw* or a dwarf rising to a positon of power  and becoming the most popular person in Kirkwall makes less sense than an aposate mage doing the same?

All I can say is how?

[LPPrince]

Seboist wrote...

What does the gender or a protaganist have to do with the gender of the players? Do said "female gamers" get butthurt if a film they watch lacks a female protaganist too? And who says players can't enjoy playing as an opposite sex character?

Other than the cosmetic of being Shepard with boobs and some exclusive crappy "romances" femshep contributed nothing of value to ME.

Players tend to roleplay characters better if they share the same gender as the protagonist.

Also, with that FemShep logic, you could also argue that MaleShep contributed nothing of value to ME and they could've stuck with FemShep.

Just sayin. There's a positive to gender-selection.

[Melca36]

Seboist wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

So you basically want to deprive women gamers of having the choice to play a femSHEP. You do realize 45% of gamers are women now...don't you? Oh and its 2012 not 1997. <_<

What does the gender or a protaganist have to do with the gender of the players? Do said "female gamers" get butthurt if a film they watch lacks a female protaganist too? And who says players can't enjoy playing as an opposite sex character?

Other than the cosmetic of being Shepard with boobs and some exclusive crappy "romances" femshep contributed nothing of value to ME.

IT GAVE WOMEN THE CHANCE TO PLAY A FEMALE CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!


Can you grasp that notion in your mind for one freaking second? <_<


For years women have been stuck with playing male characters. Bioware is one of the few companies that gives people a choice

[Melca36]

Massa FX wrote...

I roleplay a human very comfortably. I'm OK with adding more species but don't take away human characters.

That will never happen. They want the game to sell.

[unbentbuzzkill]

@emzamination

wow you actually believe that don't you? thar's a very narrow view point.

[Emzamination]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...


So let me me see if I got this right.

You're saying that an elf*who can become Templars btw* or a dwarf rising to a positon of power  and becoming the most popular person in Kirkwall makes less sense than an aposate mage doing the same?

All I can say is how?

Elves have never been templars so why you think this mentally conjured elf of yours should be so special, Idk.An elf could become a mage but they would also need to be able to become templars to equal out gameplay.Also a traditional city like kirkwall would never accept an elf as vicount.A dwarf rising as the head of the carta or the merchants guild isn't that a great story at all.

Modifié par Emzamination, 11 octobre 2012 - 05:52 .

[Huntress]

LPPrince wrote...

Huntress wrote...

You need to visit here: http://dragonage.bioware.com/

Thats a hawke human male and a mage.

Watch the trailer. Information is the killer of ignorance.

That's for advertisement purposes solely. Saying that advertisements make something canon in the story is crazy.

With that mindset, every person who ever played a FemHawke could not in any way play a "canon" playthrough.

That's horseapples.

Hawke was protrayed as human mage, Im not lieying if thats what you are implying, about the motives are marketing reasons, I know very well hawke is a 3 class character and you can play as fem/male, the point that everyone is missing is THAT DA2 was human PC because the story was about A HUMAN family.

Now if thats how you people want to defend the lack of origens in da3 or the why is "ok" to be human in DA3 or  until the company make another Ip, thats ok, but do not force you're particular views on everyone also because it sound as if it was saying:
"If you found it so easy to swallow once why not keep doing it?"

well I suppose is my throat and I am the one who choose what to swallow, thanks. Just because you don't care what goes down  doesn't mean we all have to accept it as Fate.

Anyway some of you might forget that Bioware once said: Da2 was an experiment blah, blah.... if you want more info about what bioware said about da2 I ask you to do you're own search in youtube.

So back to why Da2 was human PC and why is was Ok, Da2 was about a HUMan FAMILY. Da3 is NOT about Human family now, is it? Bioware said the Da is was not about a particular hero it seems is about a particular race with their particular views about Thedas and their very particular religious organizations.

[marshalleck]

You don't know what DA3 is about, but one thing is certain: despite the whining and complaining on the forum, Bioware have expressed their intent to continue to try and evolve their games, not regress them. If the survey leak thing is anything to go by, it seems the PC in DA3 will have a pivotal role in the rise of a new Inquisition. Strict Chantry connection or not, this is very much a traditionally human organization, and very unlikely to feature an elf or a dwarf as its leader.

[Emzamination]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

@emzamination

wow you actually believe that don't you? thar's a very narrow view point.

O sure...giving the conquered elves equality is a great idea, right up until they get full, replenish their numbers and launch another assault inside the human cities they've fully intergrated with.Better to keep their morale low, their bellies empty and all of them coralled in one place for easy access so any upstarts can be easily put down as an example to the rest.

^ This is why I'm vicount of kirkwall

Modifié par Emzamination, 11 octobre 2012 - 06:13 .

[unbentbuzzkill]

@emzamination

i'm always up for a lively debate but your view point IMO is insane your solution would cause more unrest.

[Huntress]

marshalleck wrote...

You don't know what DA3 is about, but one thing is certain: despite the whining and complaining on the forum, Bioware have expressed their intent to continue to try and evolve their games, not regress them. If the survey leak thing is anything to go by, it seems the PC in DA3 will have a pivotal role in the rise of a new Inquisition. Strict Chantry connection or not, this is very much a traditionally human organization, and very unlikely to feature an elf or a dwarf as its leader.

Where on thedas did I ask for regress? point it out.
I only pointed to you the why it was OK to be Human in Da2 because da2 it was about a human story, something you have totally lost within you're own post, is imposible if the game is about a human family to have a dwarf or elf as older brother or older sister. Human father +human mother= humans chidrens. thats just for the if you are still lost.

I read about the leaks Bioware said: that they aren't giving out anything because it was too early, fair enough and although I do not belive 100% on this leaks the fear remains, of what "if" is true and Dragon age is turning into a human stories with some fanatasy in it?

Im not whining about da3 because nothing have been said about the game, you on the other hand are trying to shoot down anyone who do NOT want to be HUMAN in da3 even making dumb remarks as.. oh but you bought da2... meh
I suppose you are the weakest link on all this mess.

[Shadow Fox]

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...


So let me me see if I got this right.

You're saying that an elf*who can become Templars btw* or a dwarf rising to a positon of power  and becoming the most popular person in Kirkwall makes less sense than an aposate mage doing the same?

All I can say is how?

Elves have never been templars so why you think this mentally conjured elf of yours should be so special, Idk.An elf could become a mage but they would also need to be able to become templars to equal out gameplay.Also a traditional city like kirkwall would never accept an elf as vicount.A dwarf rising as the head of the carta or the merchants guild isn't that a great story at all.

But they have no issue accepting an apostate former criminal possible blood mage dog-lord?