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[marshalleck]

Huntress wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

You don't know what DA3 is about, but one thing is certain: despite the whining and complaining on the forum, Bioware have expressed their intent to continue to try and evolve their games, not regress them. If the survey leak thing is anything to go by, it seems the PC in DA3 will have a pivotal role in the rise of a new Inquisition. Strict Chantry connection or not, this is very much a traditionally human organization, and very unlikely to feature an elf or a dwarf as its leader.

Where on thedas did I ask for regress? point it out.
I only pointed to you the why it was OK to be Human in Da2 because da2 it was about a human story, something you have totally lost within you're own post, is imposible if the game is about a human family to have a dwarf or elf as older brother or older sister. Human father +human mother= humans chidrens. thats just for the if you are still lost.

I read about the leaks Bioware said: that they aren't giving out anything because it was too early, fair enough and although I do not belive 100% on this leaks the fear remains, of what "if" is true and Dragon age is turning into a human stories with some fanatasy in it?

Im not whining about da3 because nothing have been said about the game, you on the other hand are trying to shoot down anyone who do NOT want to be HUMAN in da3 even making dumb remarks as.. oh but you bought da2... meh
I suppose you are the weakest link on all this mess.

See, I don't know where you're failing to comprehend. I've pointed out that Bioware are very willing to restrict the choice of race based on the story they're trying to tell, and cited DA2 as the example. So I don't know why you keep trying to tell me that Hawke was human in DA2 because of the story, as I clearly am well aware of the fact. 

I'm also pointing out that the best information we can go by right now indicates that the story is shaping up to be based on a human organization, and I think it would be very wise to temper expectations about what race you will be allowed to play as. 

I'm sorry if you don't like that. Reality can be a harsh mistress.

[Shadow Fox]

marshalleck wrote...

Huntress wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

You don't know what DA3 is about, but one thing is certain: despite the whining and complaining on the forum, Bioware have expressed their intent to continue to try and evolve their games, not regress them. If the survey leak thing is anything to go by, it seems the PC in DA3 will have a pivotal role in the rise of a new Inquisition. Strict Chantry connection or not, this is very much a traditionally human organization, and very unlikely to feature an elf or a dwarf as its leader.

Where on thedas did I ask for regress? point it out.
I only pointed to you the why it was OK to be Human in Da2 because da2 it was about a human story, something you have totally lost within you're own post, is imposible if the game is about a human family to have a dwarf or elf as older brother or older sister. Human father +human mother= humans chidrens. thats just for the if you are still lost.

I read about the leaks Bioware said: that they aren't giving out anything because it was too early, fair enough and although I do not belive 100% on this leaks the fear remains, of what "if" is true and Dragon age is turning into a human stories with some fanatasy in it?

Im not whining about da3 because nothing have been said about the game, you on the other hand are trying to shoot down anyone who do NOT want to be HUMAN in da3 even making dumb remarks as.. oh but you bought da2... meh
I suppose you are the weakest link on all this mess.

See, I don't know where you're failing to comprehend. I've pointed out that Bioware are very willing to restrict the choice of race based on the story they're trying to tell, and cited DA2 as the example. So I don't know why you keep trying to tell me that Hawke was human in DA2 because of the story, as I clearly am well aware of the fact. 

I'm also pointing out that the best information we can go by right now indicates that the story is shaping up to be based on a human organization, and I think it would be very wise to temper expectations about what race you will be allowed to play as. 

I'm sorry if you don't like that. Reality can be a harsh mistress.

Except you know we don't know who exactly founds the Inquistion yet.

Plus the Grey Wardens were founded by humans yet they recruiet from all races so kinda of a strech to use that as harsh evidence.

[Emzamination]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

@emzamination

i'm always up for a lively debate but your view point IMO is insane your solution would cause more unrest.

The unrest is only an issue if you care about the elves feelings.The feelings of the conquered heathanist knife ears are of little no concern when they lack the energy and numbers to do anything about it.Let them flee to the savage Dalish and worship with their pagan gods if they don't like how humans run the cities.Human leaders in thedas must always look after human interest first and foremost.sod the rest.

Modifié par Emzamination, 11 octobre 2012 - 06:34 .

[aridor1570]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Huntress wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

You don't know what DA3 is about, but one thing is certain: despite the whining and complaining on the forum, Bioware have expressed their intent to continue to try and evolve their games, not regress them. If the survey leak thing is anything to go by, it seems the PC in DA3 will have a pivotal role in the rise of a new Inquisition. Strict Chantry connection or not, this is very much a traditionally human organization, and very unlikely to feature an elf or a dwarf as its leader.

Where on thedas did I ask for regress? point it out.
I only pointed to you the why it was OK to be Human in Da2 because da2 it was about a human story, something you have totally lost within you're own post, is imposible if the game is about a human family to have a dwarf or elf as older brother or older sister. Human father +human mother= humans chidrens. thats just for the if you are still lost.

I read about the leaks Bioware said: that they aren't giving out anything because it was too early, fair enough and although I do not belive 100% on this leaks the fear remains, of what "if" is true and Dragon age is turning into a human stories with some fanatasy in it?

Im not whining about da3 because nothing have been said about the game, you on the other hand are trying to shoot down anyone who do NOT want to be HUMAN in da3 even making dumb remarks as.. oh but you bought da2... meh
I suppose you are the weakest link on all this mess.

See, I don't know where you're failing to comprehend. I've pointed out that Bioware are very willing to restrict the choice of race based on the story they're trying to tell, and cited DA2 as the example. So I don't know why you keep trying to tell me that Hawke was human in DA2 because of the story, as I clearly am well aware of the fact. 

I'm also pointing out that the best information we can go by right now indicates that the story is shaping up to be based on a human organization, and I think it would be very wise to temper expectations about what race you will be allowed to play as. 

I'm sorry if you don't like that. Reality can be a harsh mistress.

Except you know we don't know who exactly founds the Inquistion yet.

Plus the Grey Wardens were founded by humans yet they recruiet from all races so kinda of a strech to use that as harsh evidence.

Gray Wardens aren't racists, they see the pontential in everyone, no matter the race.

[Emzamination]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...


So let me me see if I got this right.

You're saying that an elf*who can become Templars btw* or a dwarf rising to a positon of power  and becoming the most popular person in Kirkwall makes less sense than an aposate mage doing the same?

All I can say is how?

Elves have never been templars so why you think this mentally conjured elf of yours should be so special, Idk.An elf could become a mage but they would also need to be able to become templars to equal out gameplay.Also a traditional city like kirkwall would never accept an elf as vicount.A dwarf rising as the head of the carta or the merchants guild isn't that a great story at all.

But they have no issue accepting an apostate former criminal possible blood mage dog-lord?

Hawke was born in ferelden lands but a kirkwaller by blood and also the champion who saved the entire city from an invasion of heretics.Also hawke was no longer an Apostate once she had been Id'd and confirmed a mage by the Knight commander.

[unbentbuzzkill]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 12 octobre 2012 - 07:02 .

[marshalleck]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Huntress wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

You don't know what DA3 is about, but one thing is certain: despite the whining and complaining on the forum, Bioware have expressed their intent to continue to try and evolve their games, not regress them. If the survey leak thing is anything to go by, it seems the PC in DA3 will have a pivotal role in the rise of a new Inquisition. Strict Chantry connection or not, this is very much a traditionally human organization, and very unlikely to feature an elf or a dwarf as its leader.

Where on thedas did I ask for regress? point it out.
I only pointed to you the why it was OK to be Human in Da2 because da2 it was about a human story, something you have totally lost within you're own post, is imposible if the game is about a human family to have a dwarf or elf as older brother or older sister. Human father +human mother= humans chidrens. thats just for the if you are still lost.

I read about the leaks Bioware said: that they aren't giving out anything because it was too early, fair enough and although I do not belive 100% on this leaks the fear remains, of what "if" is true and Dragon age is turning into a human stories with some fanatasy in it?

Im not whining about da3 because nothing have been said about the game, you on the other hand are trying to shoot down anyone who do NOT want to be HUMAN in da3 even making dumb remarks as.. oh but you bought da2... meh
I suppose you are the weakest link on all this mess.

See, I don't know where you're failing to comprehend. I've pointed out that Bioware are very willing to restrict the choice of race based on the story they're trying to tell, and cited DA2 as the example. So I don't know why you keep trying to tell me that Hawke was human in DA2 because of the story, as I clearly am well aware of the fact. 

I'm also pointing out that the best information we can go by right now indicates that the story is shaping up to be based on a human organization, and I think it would be very wise to temper expectations about what race you will be allowed to play as. 

I'm sorry if you don't like that. Reality can be a harsh mistress.

Except you know we don't know who exactly founds the Inquistion yet.

Plus the Grey Wardens were founded by humans yet they recruiet from all races so kinda of a strech to use that as harsh evidence.

I don't, and I admit that every time I mention the best available sources of information. Rumor though it may be, it's a lot more substantial than desire and imaginings. 

Grey Wardens have nothing to do with this discussion. 

The Inquisition is traditionally a human organization to protect human lives in human lands. It formed the foundation of the Seekers and Templar organizations. How many non-human Templars do we know of? Let's consult the wiki:

http://dragonage.wik...tegory:Templars

40 characters. All human. Odds of non-human leader of a new Inquisition? Pretty abysmal, by my estimation. Is it 100% out of the question? Not until Bioware say so. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 11 octobre 2012 - 06:50 .

[Savber100]

It's simply not going to happen with a voiced protagonist. The budget alone will simply not make worth it.

[Shadow Fox]

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...


So let me me see if I got this right.

You're saying that an elf*who can become Templars btw* or a dwarf rising to a positon of power  and becoming the most popular person in Kirkwall makes less sense than an aposate mage doing the same?

All I can say is how?

Elves have never been templars so why you think this mentally conjured elf of yours should be so special, Idk.An elf could become a mage but they would also need to be able to become templars to equal out gameplay.Also a traditional city like kirkwall would never accept an elf as vicount.A dwarf rising as the head of the carta or the merchants guild isn't that a great story at all.

But they have no issue accepting an apostate former criminal possible blood mage dog-lord?

Hawke was born in ferelden lands but a kirkwaller by blood and also the champion who saved the entire city from an invasion of heretics.Also hawke was no longer an Apostate once she had been Id'd and confirmed a mage by the Knight commander.

Yet an elf or Dwarf doing the same and becoming champion somehow makes less sense then one of the strictest Templars turning a blind-eye to an apostate and allowing them to have a postion of power or the city populance  just accepting an up-jumped Ferelden refuge becoming noblity despite throwing racial slurs towards Hawke for a good 2/3rds of the game?

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[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 12 octobre 2012 - 07:04 .

[Scott Sion]

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?


Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

-Human Noble was my second favorite play through next to my Dalish Elf.
-Being an elf was fun, but I also enjoyed playing as a human for mage/noble.
-Plenty of good video games make you play as a human. Elves, Dwarfs and Humans are only physically different, what makes them different is the role they play in their "society" and their history.

I would be very pleased to see a return of origins however, It was interesting to see how my origin and race had in impact on many aspects of the game.

I'm pretty sure we were forced to play as a human in DA2 because we had a VA protagonist and a family that have looks based on yours would have been difficult. I prefer a silent pro if a voiced pro comes at the cost of a gameplay so I hope Bioware decided to bring back races and origins.

Modifié par plnero, 11 octobre 2012 - 06:54 .

[Wolf]

plnero wrote...

-Human Noble was my second favorite play through next to my Dalish Elf.
-Being an elf was fun, but I also enjoyed playing as a human for mage/noble.
-Plenty of good video games make you play as a human. Elves, Dwarfs and Humans are only physically different, what makes them different is the role they play in their "society" and their history.

I would be very pleased to see a return of origins however, It was interesting to see how my origin and race had in impact on many aspects of the game.

I'm pretty sure we were forced to play as a human in DA2 because we had a VA protagonist and a family that have looks based on yours would have been difficult. I prefer a silent pro if a voiced pro comes at the cost of a gameplay so I hope Bioware decided to bring back races and origins.

The actual problem with having different races for the PC is not (surprisingly) voice actors. The problem, according to David Gaider is with the models and animations. Different heights and stuff. 
It wouldn't be impossible to have different races, it'd just be... challenging is all.

The whole "origins are nice, but they are just filler" vibe I have gotten off some statements made by Bioware in the past is what concerns me. Really though, what is character customization and race/origin selection if not a roleplaying mechanic? You know, that thing that RPG stands for? 

The same case can be made for auto-dialogue IMO. 

Modifié par Gaiden96, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:22 .

[Emzamination]

Faerunner wrote...

For starters, being a templar was not that essential to DA2. Hawke only had the option
to have the templar specialization, which automatically excludes all
mage and rogues, and which is not even required for a warrior anyway.
Hawke's little brother Carver only becomes a templar assuming he doesn't
die at the beginning or in the Deep Roads, which isn't all that often.
If, say, an elven protagonist had a surviving brother who didn't become a
templar, it would not have affected the game that strongly.

An elf would have to have the option to side with the templars to balance out equality as I've said before and elves are not accepted by templars.

Link - Skip to 2:16

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Secondly, Wardens of all races from DA:O could become templars because they learned the specilization from a former templar who was willing to teach them regardless of their background. The same could apply to the hero in DA3. No one ever said all players HAD to join the Chantry to learn the templar specialization. So, yeah. You should still be able to be a templar and a mage, regardless of race, in DA3.

The warden was not a real templar, she just had templar training.The player does not need to join the chantry but they do however have to have the respect of the templar Faction which has never accepted Elves politically.Please refer to the Exalted march on the Dales.

Thirdly, players tend to encounter and interact with Companions and NPC's of other races in most quests and areas more frequently than templars, so by that logic the protagonist should also need to be other races to balance out gameplay.

Other races existing is irrelevant to the overall story plot.

Fourth, being viscount was not that essential to the DA2 plot either. The whole "being viscount" thing was one throwaway line in one epilogue, which required the player siding with the templars in the end. But lo, the mages ended up breaking out anyway and Hawke ended up disappearing soon after anyway. If an elven or dwarven protagonist didn't get that one throwaway line in one ending (maybe got a different throwaway line like "The Champion became the next viscount's top advisor and the true power behind the throne," or "The Champion ended up taking over the Coteri and ruled the city from the shadows,") I don't think it would have made that much of a difference. The overall game would still have been the same.

It was not essential for pro-mage players but it was essential story wise for pro-templar players who needed to bring a stabalizing factor (hawke) to kirkwall.An elf or Dwarf would never be accepted as Vicount by a traditional city like kirkwall because the nobility would never go for it.

DA2 would still have been a story about one person's rise to power. You would still be a Blight refugee fleeing from Fereldan into Kirkwall in the Prologue, you would still get rich from the Deep Roads Expedition in Act 1, you would still save the city from the Qunari Invasion and become Champion of Kirkwall in Act 2, and your name would still become a rallying cry for mages worldwide in Act 3. It doesn't change significantly if you're a woman or mage, if your remaining sibling lives or dies, or if you side with the mages or templars, so it wouldn't change significantly if you were an elf or dwarf. The same should hold true for the DA3 story. 

Any race implemented needs to be able to side with either mages or templars.An elf rising through the noble ranks with a mansion in hightown isn't a possibility.Hawke couldn't even let merrill live in the mansion without a scandal arising.

[Xilizhra]

It was not essential for pro-mage players but it was essential story wise for pro-templar players who needed to bring a stabalizing factor (hawke) to kirkwall.An elf or Dwarf would never be accepted as Vicount by a traditional city like kirkwall because the nobility would never go for it.

And yet, a mage was. At that point, physiological status was wholly irrelevant.

Any race implemented needs to be able to side with either mages or templars.An elf rising through the noble ranks with a mansion in hightown isn't a possibility.Hawke couldn't even let merrill live in the mansion without a scandal arising.

Buy it, be a rich merchant or something, fight off thugs who try to burn the place down so they know not to mess with you, become renowned hero after Act 2 so no one cares anymore (as they didn't with a nonhuman Warden in DAO). Simple.

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

It was not essential for pro-mage players but it was essential story wise for pro-templar players who needed to bring a stabalizing factor (hawke) to kirkwall.An elf or Dwarf would never be accepted as Vicount by a traditional city like kirkwall because the nobility would never go for it.

And yet, a mage was. At that point, physiological status was wholly irrelevant.

Any race implemented needs to be able to side with either mages or templars.An elf rising through the noble ranks with a mansion in hightown isn't a possibility.Hawke couldn't even let merrill live in the mansion without a scandal arising.

Buy it, be a rich merchant or something, fight off thugs who try to burn the place down so they know not to mess with you, become renowned hero after Act 2 so no one cares anymore (as they didn't with a nonhuman Warden in DAO). Simple.

Good God I just agreed with Xillizhra:blink:. Thought that would never happen 'tis amazing is it not?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While I wouldn't mind being only able to play as a human, I really hope we get race selection back. I want to be an elf again.

[Emzamination]

Xilizhra wrote...

It was not essential for pro-mage players but it was essential story wise for pro-templar players who needed to bring a stabalizing factor (hawke) to kirkwall.An elf or Dwarf would never be accepted as Vicount by a traditional city like kirkwall because the nobility would never go for it.

And yet, a mage was. At that point, physiological status was wholly irrelevant.

Your argument would have merit if this was some random apostate and this had been in a more racially accepting town than kirkwall.As I've said before hawke was not some ordinary mage.She was not only the champion of kirkwall but also nobility, and not some upstart noble either but descended from a very long line which gives credence with the nobles who you know decides who becomes vicount.

Buy it, be a rich merchant or something, fight off thugs who try to burn the place down so they know not to mess with you, become renowned hero after Act 2 so no one cares anymore (as they didn't with a nonhuman Warden in DAO). Simple.

Varric had an estate in hightown as well but his nobility didn't stretch past orzammar due to his race like every other dwarf living in kirkwall, but dwarves are socially acceptable in hightown because of the merchandise they bring in.Elves however have nothing going for them whatsoever

Modifié par Emzamination, 11 octobre 2012 - 07:49 .

[Scott Sion]

Gaiden96 wrote...

The actual problem with having different races for the PC is not (surprisingly) voice actors. The problem, according to David Gaider is with the models and animations. Different heights and stuff. 
It wouldn't be impossible to have different races, it'd just be... challenging is all.

The whole "origins are nice, but they are just filler" vibe I have gotten off some statements made by Bioware in the past is what concerns me. Really though, what is character customization and race/origin selection if not a roleplaying mechanic? You know, that thing that RPG stands for? 

The same case can be made for auto-dialogue IMO. 

Maybe if they aren't rushed this time they can find a way to make it work? Not being able to choose my race wasn't a deal breaker for me, but it's a feature I really enjoy especially in a fantasy type RPG like Dragon Age. Let's hope for the sake of role playing in an RPG that races and origins make a return in DA3.

[marshalleck]

Emzamination wrote... Elves however have nothing going for them whatsoever

Not true. 

Cheap labor. 

[Xilizhra]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It was not essential for pro-mage players but it was essential story wise for pro-templar players who needed to bring a stabalizing factor (hawke) to kirkwall.An elf or Dwarf would never be accepted as Vicount by a traditional city like kirkwall because the nobility would never go for it.

And yet, a mage was. At that point, physiological status was wholly irrelevant.

Any race implemented needs to be able to side with either mages or templars.An elf rising through the noble ranks with a mansion in hightown isn't a possibility.Hawke couldn't even let merrill live in the mansion without a scandal arising.

Buy it, be a rich merchant or something, fight off thugs who try to burn the place down so they know not to mess with you, become renowned hero after Act 2 so no one cares anymore (as they didn't with a nonhuman Warden in DAO). Simple.

Good God I just agreed with Xillizhra:blink:. Thought that would never happen 'tis amazing is it not?

I get that a lot, I just realized.

Your argument would have merit if this was some random apostate and this
had been in a more racially accepting town than kirkwall.As I've said
before hawke was not some ordinary mage.She was not only the champion of
kirkwall but also nobility, and not some upstart noble either but
descended from a very long line which gives credence with the nobles who
you know decides who becomes vicount.

Hawke had to buy the house outright; there's no mention of reclaiming it because of Leandra's noble status at all.

[Emzamination]

marshalleck wrote...

Emzamination wrote... Elves however have nothing going for them whatsoever

Not true. 

Cheap labor. 

I stand corrected

[Emzamination]

Xilizhra wrote...

Your argument would have merit if this was some random apostate and this
had been in a more racially accepting town than kirkwall.As I've said
before hawke was not some ordinary mage.She was not only the champion of
kirkwall but also nobility, and not some upstart noble either but
descended from a very long line which gives credence with the nobles who
you know decides who becomes vicount.

Hawke had to buy the house outright; there's no mention of reclaiming it because of Leandra's noble status at all.

Yep, Hawke randomly bought her Ancestoral home then hung her Ancestoral family symbol all over the house as Decoration just cause.

[Wolf]

plnero wrote...


Maybe if they aren't rushed this time they can find a way to make it work? Not being able to choose my race wasn't a deal breaker for me, but it's a feature I really enjoy especially in a fantasy type RPG like Dragon Age. Let's hope for the sake of role playing in an RPG that races and origins make a return in DA3.

It wasn't a deal breaker for me either but it did add a lot of replayability in Origins. I usually role play a human in RPG's because I want it to feel as if the character is me. I changed that up a bit in Origins nearly two years after I had played and beaten it. I went with an elf and I absolutely loved it. That feeling of discovery after so long is part of why I loved the race options. 

I want that back in DA3. So you're right, let's hope they can actually fit that in there and make this gamer's heart overflow with happiness again 

Modifié par Gaiden96, 11 octobre 2012 - 11:12 .

[Xilizhra]

Emzamination wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Your argument would have merit if this was some random apostate and this
had been in a more racially accepting town than kirkwall.As I've said
before hawke was not some ordinary mage.She was not only the champion of
kirkwall but also nobility, and not some upstart noble either but
descended from a very long line which gives credence with the nobles who
you know decides who becomes vicount.

Hawke had to buy the house outright; there's no mention of reclaiming it because of Leandra's noble status at all.

Yep, Hawke randomly bought her Ancestoral home then hung her Ancestoral family symbol all over the house as Decoration just cause.

She bought it for Leandra.