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[upsettingshorts]

Icinix wrote...

Edit: I appear to have crazy formatting errors - and my cursour moves to random locations when typing. Nice.

Off topic, but I seem to be getting this too.  It doesn't happen anywhere else - other websites or programs - but pressing Shift-Space (typically incidentally) deletes the entire line I'm on.  It's weird.  Posting in support.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:23 .

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Speaking for the over-enthusiastic fanbase at this moment

THATS NOT TRUUUE, THATS IMPOSSIBLE! I am sure this time Bioware will give us multiple Origins and race options including Qunari and a new race called the Ashen I just made up then.

[Icinix]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Edit: I appear to have crazy formatting errors - and my cursour moves to random locations when typing. Nice.

Off topic, but I seem to be getting this too.  It doesn't happen anywhere else - other websites or programs - but pressing Shift-Space (typically incidentally) deletes the entire line I'm on.  It's weird.

Yeah that! If I'm not watching what I'm doing - it ends up all over the place.

It seems to be only when using the shfit key though.

Glad its not just me - I thought something had cracked on my computer.

[Zombie_Alexis]

I thought all of the origins were well done and enjoyed them all. However, I enjoy playing the outsider in my games, so playing as a dwarf or elf would be my preferred choice. And that's what I missed in DA2 -- having that choice. But given that the story of DA2 was Hawke's, different races wouldn't have made sense. I do hope they allow choosing your race again. I don't think origins are necessary, but I would love it if they were. Even if it's only based on class. I also think having a voiced protagonist shouldn't be an obstacle to race. Many voice actors can do several accents, so all they would have to do is record the dialogue in different accents.

[upsettingshorts]

Zombie_Alexis wrote...

 I also think having a voiced protagonist shouldn't be an obstacle to race. Many voice actors can do several accents, so all they would have to do is record the dialogue in different accents.

That would triple their workload as well as the cost of employing the actor, before we even get to the open question of, whether or not the approach would even work to anyone's satisfaction.

It'd just make more sense to have all the racial choices be from the same place and share an accent.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:28 .

[eroeru]

@Upsettingshorts

Thanks for the Gaider quotes! They're interesting to know about.

When were they made, btw?

[upsettingshorts]

eroeru wrote...

@Upsettingshorts

Thanks for the Gaider quotes! They're interesting to know about.

When were they made, btw?

They're from this thread.  The way the BSN dating works - which is vaguely once the numbers get big enough - the thread could be anywhere from 12-23 months old.  Seems pre-DA2 release though.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Fiacre]

I'd definitely like to have race options (and even Origin stories) back.

But in all honesty... I found the CE(F) origin boring. My first character was a Dalish and I definitely had an emotional response to what happened to Tamlen. I also had an emotional response to the whole Jowan mess in the mage origin. I wasn't shocked by anything that happened in the DN origin, because I already knew what Bhelen would do, but it was definitely *fun*. I still sniffle during that last scene with Bryce and Eleanor in the HN origin (which happens to be my favourite). When I played the CEF recently? About 30 seconds of emotion when I found Shianni (who I incidentally already liked before I played the origin). That was it. And I can't say it changed my perspective any either.

Still, more choice is always a good thing. And I'd very much like to have an elf origin that actually emotionally engages me... Until then I'll just stay with the Dalish elf, I guess.

Modifié par Fiacre, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:23 .

[Felya87]

Never played as a Human. I just hate it. My only human character for a RPG was Hawke. for obvious reasons. that's why I never started a new game with DA2.

What I don't get is the people that, just because they love to play the (sorry but is the truth) plain human, have to be almost offended by who didn't like the Human. Even less the people who hated the other races entirely. Why did you play a fantasy, if you didn't like Elves and Dwarven? they ARE the fantasy!

Anyway, I would be really upset with Bioware if even this time there would be not Elves or Dwarves. I loved DA:O for the various races and origins, I can't get why they abbandoned them. like I can't understand the transformation of DA in ME.
It's wrong! If you can't/won't give voice to more protagonists than male/female, just use the old good mute character. I don't get that stubbordness!

If you can't give more coise, let DA be, and start a new brand, maybe call that Mass Age, but don't destroy more Dragon Age than what DA" did!!!

[garrusfan1]

I hope we get more races as well. I love playing as a dwarf. But what if it was human or qunari that wasn't of the qun

[Chaoswind]

Human noble is the best origin plot, and the most tied to the main plot and WITH reason.

Dwarfs don't like the open skies so their influence is MINIMAL.

Elves are servants and slaves, unimportant in the machinations of the DA universe.

The universe is build around humans and as thus humans are the most influential in the flow of the plot, is like saying hobbit armies should had fought the hordes of mordor instead of humans because the main character was a hobbit.

Also the comparison is not viable, Liara was a true writers pet, being given plot relevance just because they could, humans are plot relevant because the DA universe makes them important.

If you want elves or dwarfs to be more relevant plot wise you have to go out of your way to do it.

[cindercatz]

edit: to the above: Yeah, and Frodo was the PC in The LoTR trilogy analogy, Bilbo in The Hobbit. With reason. ;-)

I remember that thread. Worried me then, too. It was shortly after that little set of ME2 stats (in one of the posts) were posted on the forums. I would say DA2 kind of bears out what it got them, when they took a 'cut and refine' approach, i.e. streamlining.

WoW in the article earlier is a casual game (all MMOs are casual games by my definition, no matter how hardcore you want to be about them), and there's never anything wrong with *adding* and *improving* parts of your game, no matter who it's targeted at. When you start using that data to costcut and shave away core aspects of what your game is thinking that will somehow appeal more to whatever the LCD is, that's when you run into problems. WoW's primary audience is casual gamers with disposable income. Dragon Age's primary audience are story and customization seeking gamers (like all BioWare's games excluding the primarily shooter gamer portion of the ME franchise). When you cut away things that improve both (like origins and race selection, origins in particular), you're sacrificing your core audience. You're kicking the legs out from under your game table. Your base starts to erode, the casuals don't show up, you lose word of mouth, and before you know it, your audience has left you. That's what happened with DA2 and that's what I hope they avoid with DA3. It has to turn around or there very well may not be a DA4.

You have to go with what makes your game unique, and in DA's case, that's origins and multiple gray perspectives. They're more important than race selection. Then racial selection if those cultures will have anything to really do with your story. With the DA world being what it is with highly developed elf and dwarf cultures, rather than other humans in those roles, I can't see that they won't, though it's tougher to fit race selection into the Inquisitor role, so we might not get it still (this time). If we don't, that will effect the depth of the game, and the player's ability to roleplay certain segments from the optimum roleplay perspective.

If they streamline that out and go the Mass Effect route, then it's still not Dragon Age done right, it's still taking a step back, and you still end up with a more shallow experience than it should be.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That would triple their workload as well as the cost of employing the actor, before we even get to the open question of, whether or not the approach would even work to anyone's satisfaction.

I'd say they don't need to be from the same place, but they do all need to be from Orlais proper, with the same accent, voice pitch preferably baritone for male, alto for female this time out. ;-)

Modifié par cindercatz, 01 octobre 2012 - 02:33 .

[Chaoswind]

This is a troll thread, don't know how could I miss it.

The wording and the title are made to cause reaction and ire.

Anyways you are playing humans because in the DA universe humans are the most influential race in the whole continent of Thedas with the single exception being the lands ruled by the Qun.

Its also a matter of resources, VA aren't cheap and voicing a human is thematically easier in some sense.

[MilaBanilla]

 Human noble was my first origin character and it was quite fun but my fave will alway be city elf
As others said, each places in Thedas have different culture so it might be interesting. I wish I could be an elf again though.
I'm assuming that they force us to be "human" is because it's a lot less work and resources for them.

[Aolbain]

HiroVoid wrote...

Obviously, none of you'll have experienced the pure joy of playing a dwarf.

Indeed. Nothing can pan experiensing the world at 3 feet.

[The Twilight God]

Because according to their data everyone played humans and alot of peoiple didn't even bother to play non-human origins. Not even just the beginning for kicks. I found this hard to believe, but some people aren't interested in seeing everything.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Well, you're welcome to your opinion. Human Noble was one of my favorite origins in DA:O.

and you really aren't forced to do anything. If the game contains an element you can't get over, then you can just choose not to play it.

That be sound advice.

[Zombie_Alexis]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Zombie_Alexis wrote...

 I also think having a voiced protagonist shouldn't be an obstacle to race. Many voice actors can do several accents, so all they would have to do is record the dialogue in different accents.

That would triple their workload as well as the cost of employing the actor, before we even get to the open question of, whether or not the approach would even work to anyone's satisfaction.

It'd just make more sense to have all the racial choices be from the same place and share an accent.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think your point about workload is necessarily true. Voice actors have to do several takes as it is, so doing one in a different accent is not much different than doing it in a different tone. For example, in DAO, depending on your relationship with Alistair, the line readings are often differnt. Specifically, the gossip section about Zevran. If you are a female friend with him, his response to you asking if he's jealous is much different than if you are romancing him or if you broke up with him. (Which I've always found really cool.) Your point about whether or not using different accents in the game can be successful, however, I totally see that.

[Zack_Nero]

The human noble story was one of the best ones. This story had one of the best effects in the Landsmeet, gives the most context with the Howes, and felt the most real. Yea, I understand your point with always being as a human. Always the main one I start up as when I start a new campaign, next to a female city elf.

[Han Shot First]

FaWa wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I thought the Human Noble origin was the best of the bunch.

It was the most tied in with the main plot, and it gives a personal angle for wanting to bring down Howe and Loghain that isn't present in most of the other origins.

They could have easily made connections like that for the other races. Human Nobles are to Dragon Age as Liara is to Mass Effect. "Writer's Pet" I believe the correct term would be.

Just because it is more interesting doesn't mean it was given preference.

The dwarf, Dalish, and Mage origins having deeper links to Loghain or Howe wouldn't have made a lick of sense.

[zambingo]

[logging his opinions]

Humans aren't boring!

Dwarves are my favorite Dragon Age race.

My Warden was a Dalish Elf. Go figure.

[Abraham_uk]

My Wardens from Dragon Age Origins

Female Dalish Elf Dualwielding Warrior
Male Human Noble Dualwielding, Archer, Rogue
Female Human Arcane Warrior

Dwalves and Elves look too much like humans.

[Han Shot First]

After the human noble origin I think both of the dwarf origins are the most interesting.

My only issue with the dwarf origins is that the romances with either Morrigan, Leliana, Zevran or Alistair don't seem plausible, are a little gross, and kill immersion. With the lack of a dwarf LI, forever alone works better with those origins IMO.

[Maclimes]

I wouldn't be opposed to race selection without the origins. Assuming, for a moment, that the PC is an inquisitor, couldn't the story being with "You are an inquisitor" and let you simply come up with your own motivations and reasons for getting there?

[Sandy]

I'm not boring. I'm a human. Ergo, humans aren't boring.

Seriously though, I almost always play humans in RPGs, so having the ability to just play human isn't a big deal for me. I know alot of people feel differently however, and I respect that. With a voiced main-character however, having multiple races could prove to be more trouble than it is worth. I would much rather have the devs work on things like origins, the combat, the art-style, more dialogue options and choices further down the road of the game than just having the option to play elves or dwarves (or kossith).

Also, I don't agree that humans are the most boring race. The different cultures of Thedas makes humans just as interesting (or even more so) than the other races.