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[KENNY4753]

Maclimes wrote...

I wouldn't be opposed to race selection without the origins. Assuming, for a moment, that the PC is an inquisitor, couldn't the story being with "You are an inquisitor" and let you simply come up with your own motivations and reasons for getting there?

I would be fine with this. I just want to have more options than just Human.

[HTTP 404]

humans are not boring. damn elvish elitests!

[Arokel]

Chaoswind wrote...
Human noble is the best origin plot, and the most tied to the main plot and WITH reason.
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I have to disagree with you (at least in part) on that point.  

The human noble is the most important from a political standpoint.  There is no denying that.  You have ties to many of the most important figures in the land thanks to your family.  The human noble's father is second only to royalty in rank.  The Couslands also appear to have ties to Orlais, the most powerful nation on Thedas.

However I would argue that dwarven and elven (at leas the Dalish origin) origins are very important to the situation in Thedas.  The Dalish are very much tied up in the plot threads of the mysteries of the Eluvian and the Tevinter/elven ruins in the Brecillian Forest (and maybe other places in Thedas).  The dwarves are hugely important as well.  They face an eternal Blight and are the most seasoned fighters againts the Darkspawn other than the Grey Wardens.  The discovery of the primeval thaig (and based on the codex there may be more than one) and the red lyrium increases their importance even more.

Modifié par Arokel, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .

[CuriousArtemis]

Ah yeah HN was the most boring for me xD Plus it's hard to make a nice-looking human in CC...

The three elf origins are my favorite xD If given the opportunity, I always play as an elf. I hope that we at least get the chance to select race, even if the origin isn't all that different.

[cindercatz]

Edit: in reference to a dwarven LI comment a few posts earlier
I don't think it's gross, just like I don't think it's gross in rl. I agree, though, that there should have been a dwarven LI, at least make Oghren if nothing else, for DA:O. A lot of people would have been thrilled with Varric in DA2, of course.

Since we're talking favorites and what we played? I played six, so here's mine, the origin itself and then in context with the rest of the game.

Favorite to least Origin:
City Elf Female
Human Noble Male
Dwarven Noble Male
Dalish Elf Male
Dwarven Casteless Female
Mage Human Male

In Context:
City Elf Female
Mage Human Male (with Witchhunt)
Human Noble Male
Dwarven Noble Male
Dwarven Casteless Female
Dalish Elf Male

And the order I played them. I only played the Dwarven origins this year.
City Elf Female
Human Noble Male
Dalish Elf Male
Mage Human Male
Dwarven Noble Male
Dwarven Casteless Female

Maclimes wrote...

I wouldn't be opposed to race selection without the origins. Assuming, for a moment, that the PC is an inquisitor, couldn't the story being with "You are an inquisitor" and let you simply come up with your own motivations and reasons for getting there?

Hope not. That's essentially the set-up for DA2 (mostly blank slate), same as we had for KoTOR, Jade Empire, etc. Those games were great, but DA:O is much better for me, primarily because of the origins and how they change the perspective for replay. Origins are a defining feature for Dragon Age, one of the few things it's done that I can think of that another game series hasn't done better. They're essential to what I think of and want out of Dragon Age, and I'm personally pretty tired of blank slate.

Modifié par cindercatz, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:32 .

[Salaya]

Human noble was the most boring Origin. And certainly, it was a big disappointment being forced to play a human in Dragon Effect 2. I hope DA3 let us choose race again. I like to play elves; in fact my favorite origins in DA1 were the city elf and the mage.

[KENNY4753]

In DA:O my list goes:

1)Dalish Elf
2) Human Noble
3) City Elf
4) Dwarf Noble
5) Magi
6) Dwarf Commoner

In DA2 I was upset that i was stuck as a Human. The only thing I could change was the class but the everything else was the same. Sure you lose 1 of your siblings due to class choice but other than that it was the same. I do wish i could have chose a mage with Bethany but oh well. I felt like I was not playing a character I wanted to play.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:30 .

[Arokel]

Since everybody is doing favorites lists...

1) Dalish Elf
2) Human Noble
3) Dwarf Noble
4) Magi
5) City Elf
6) Dwarf Commoner

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Curse you rankings. Fine, I'll do it too.

1) City Elf
2) Magi
3) Dwarf Noble
4) Dwarf Commoner
5) Dalish Elf
6) Human Noble

[Maclimes]

cindercatz wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

I wouldn't be opposed to race selection without the origins. Assuming, for a moment, that the PC is an inquisitor, couldn't the story being with "You are an inquisitor" and let you simply come up with your own motivations and reasons for getting there?

Hope not. That's essentially the set-up for DA2 (mostly blank slate), same as we had for KoTOR, Jade Empire, etc. Those games were great, but DA:O is much better for me, primarily because of the origins and how they change the perspective for replay. Origins are a defining feature for Dragon Age, one of the few things it's done that I can think of that another game series hasn't done better. They're essential to what I think of and want out of Dragon Age, and I'm personally pretty tired of blank slate.

No, DA2 is not "blank slate". It DOES have origins. It just only has ONE. (In fact, the same can be said for KOTOR, as well).

A game like Baldur's Gate, on the other hand, more or less just said "You are from the town of Candlekeep" and that was the whole character's backstory. It was great, because it let you be anything you wanted.

[FaWa]

syllogi wrote...

FaWa wrote...

syllogi wrote...

I like starting out as "normal" or "boring" in games. My character is often going to end up a Dragonborn/Werewolf/Vampire Lord/Harbinger/Arch-Mage/every other leadership position possible, so having a humble beginning kind of balances that out in my mind. Also, as far as the Human Noble, it's nice and refreshing to have a loving family, even if for a little while. While I enjoyed the other origins, the HN was most relatable, in many ways.

And we could totally end up coming from the most boring dwarf or elf family ever. Just being a race other than human doesn't guarantee an exciting origin.

Yes, the Dwarf Commonor Origin was not a humble beginning. Neither was City Elf. Or Mage. Or Dalish Elf. 

Yeah, I actually would say, based on your reaction and the reactions of others to the Human Noble origin, that it is in fact more "humble" in its roots than the others you mention.  Just because the HN grew up in a castle doesn't mean the origin itself can't be humble, in that it is a more "simple" and less dramatic story.

Are you going to tell me that any of those other origins are more "normal" than Human Noble?

Dwarf Commonor was very simple and normal. So yes I will tell you that.

[megamacka]

99% of the time I play my characters as a representation of myself. Therefor I mostly play human. However I tried both dwarf and elf in origins and liked it a lot. Adds a ton to the replayability as well.

  I liked the Human noble story . '' I deserved.... more... '' such a good line. 

Modifié par megamacka, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:51 .

[FaWa]

Oh and yay rankings.

1. Dwarf Casteless
2. City Elf
3. Mage
4. Dwarf Noble
5. Dalish Elf
6. Human Noble

[Chaoswind]

1) Female elf (my sister played it and I liked it)
2) Human male noble (alister sucks, long live the PC king)
3) Human male mage (going after morrigan)
4) noble dwarf

Have not played any of the others and I missed my sister female mage and dalish elf, so I dunno.

[Androme]

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?


Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

Human superiority! \\,,/ Human Male Origin story was very good and made the most sense.

Modifié par Androme, 01 octobre 2012 - 04:52 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Maclimes wrote...

No, DA2 is not "blank slate". It DOES have origins. It just only has ONE. (In fact, the same can be said for KOTOR, as well).

I agree with you on DA2, but I would argue that KotOR was a blank slate (so was NWN - BG wasn't quite because the set backstory described our childhood).  Yes, the PC's backgroud in KotOR was fixed, but the PC wasn't aware of that background - he had false memories that informed his personality, and those false memories could be created by the player with no interference from the game at all.

AshenSugar wrote...
 
You are jesting mefinks! How can anyone not like the Human Noble origin?

I'd rank Human Noble fifth among those available:

1. Mage
2. Dwarf Commoner
2. City Elf
2. Dwarf Noble
5. Human Noble
6. Dalish

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Androme wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?


Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

Human superiority! ,,/ Human Male Origin story was very good and made the most sense.

This man has excellent taste.

[Maclimes]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

No, DA2 is not "blank slate". It DOES have origins. It just only has ONE. (In fact, the same can be said for KOTOR, as well).

I agree with you on DA2, but I would argue that KotOR was a blank slate (so was NWN - BG wasn't quite because the set backstory described our childhood).  Yes, the PC's backgroud in KotOR was fixed, but the PC wasn't aware of that background - he had false memories that informed his personality, and those false memories could be created by the player with no interference from the game at all.

That seems reasonable, and I have no argument for that.

In either case, in no way is either DA:O or DA2 a "blank slate". In the first, you get to choose from one of several pre-decided backgrounds, but it's still not truly up to you. Where's the human rogue from the streets of Denerim? Or the Dalish mage? Or the apostate mage? Or the dwarven surfacer? Or the human mercenary? There's an infinite number of possibilities. 

I don't expect Bioware to give me all of those. I expect them to let me choose race/class, and leave my background to me to decide.

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
I'd rank Human Noble fifth among those available:

1. Mage
2. Dwarf Commoner
2. City Elf
2. Dwarf Noble
5. Human Noble
6. Dalish

Was that an accidental repeat of the "2", or are those three tied for second?

Modifié par Maclimes, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:02 .

[Felya87]

Salaya wrote...

Human noble was the most boring Origin. And certainly, it was a big disappointment being forced to play a human in Dragon Effect 2. I hope DA3 let us choose race again. I like to play elves; in fact my favorite origins in DA1 were the city elf and the mage.

+ 100 for the Dragon Effect!

[Chaoswind]

News flash.

Most players play human because that helps with the roleplay factor, data available to bioware suggest as such, so if push comes to shove of course bioware is going to cater to what most of the player base likes, all origins are interesting, but only one is liked by most of the player base and that's humans, take your racism and your anti human agenda to games like monster rumble or orcs must rule, if you are so averred to play as a human being, then you are free to not play at all, you won't be missed.

[Androme]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Androme wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?


Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

Human superiority! ,,/ Human Male Origin story was very good and made the most sense.

This man has excellent taste.

(facepalm)

I meant Human Noble derp

[Arokel]

I would just like to put in an argument in humanity's favor.

Alot of people say "why would you play a human in a fantasy setting? They are so bland and normal".

It is precisely the fact that humans are normal that makes me play at least one in fantasy games. You are this normal, dull human in a fantastic world. Many times humans are weaker than some of the other races in that particular world (e.g. Azeroth). When playing a human its like I am saying "you don't have to be a master of magic or an exotic species to achieve greatness in this world".

Just my two cents.

Modifié par Arokel, 01 octobre 2012 - 05:10 .

[Xilizhra]

Erm, neither elves nor dwarves really have any advantages over humans here, and humans have a decided societal advantage. So it's not really playing any kind of underdog.

[Arokel]

Xilizhra wrote...

Erm, neither elves nor dwarves really have any advantages over humans here, and humans have a decided societal advantage. So it's not really playing any kind of underdog.

Thats why I love my Dalish in DA.  But I still feel it kinda applies.  At least the normal part. Not the advantage part.

[Xilizhra]

Arokel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Erm, neither elves nor dwarves really have any advantages over humans here, and humans have a decided societal advantage. So it's not really playing any kind of underdog.

Thats why I love my Dalish in DA.  But I still feel it kinda applies.  At least the normal part. Not the advantage part.

Humans in DA are effectively supernormal.