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[DarkKnightHolmes]

Androme wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Androme wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 Title. Seriously, lets review 

-Human Noble was the most boring Origin Story. Literally every other Origin was fantastic and I'd put HN as good at best. 
-There isn't any flair to being a human.
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?


Seriously. Why?
This is assuming we are forced into being a human. If thats not the case I will be pleasently surprised, and proceed to jump back on the BioWare train.

Human superiority! ,,/ Human Male Origin story was very good and made the most sense.

This man has excellent taste.

(facepalm)

I meant Human Noble derp

Well I'll keep it quoted as a constant reminder.

[Melca36]

1 (tie) Human Noble & Dwarf Commoner
2) Human Mage
3) City Elf
4) Dalish Elf
5) Dwarf Noble

[Svanhildr]

I usually always play as humans so it doesn't bother me. I find playing other races mostly boring. Human Noble is my favorite origin so...

[Felya87]

Chaoswind wrote...

News flash.

Most players play human because that helps with the roleplay factor, data available to bioware suggest as such, so if push comes to shove of course bioware is going to cater to what most of the player base likes, all origins are interesting, but only one is liked by most of the player base and that's humans, take your racism and your anti human agenda to games like monster rumble or orcs must rule, if you are so averred to play as a human being, then you are free to not play at all, you won't be missed.

I know i won't be missed. But I'm sure my money would be missed. I'm not going to pay for Mass Effect/Deus ex with swords.

And I think the Human race is not the one the players likes more, is just the easiest. and in the DA world, is the race with no conflict, no problem with nobody, if you don't count the Dalish who would split in your every step, but Dalish can't do much more than that.

It's much more easy to roleplay the dominant race, than the others.

oh, and by the way, even the anti non-human races should put their racism in their pocket. It would be apprecieted. Just because someone liked it, doesn't mean they could just say "shut up, you are few, nobody is interest". Human race is the only certain, why should people be so touchy about it?

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Meh, I reckon most people play Human Noble just to become king/queen or to stay with Alistair (since he'll dump your ass if you make him king and non-harden)

[Melca36]

Aeowyn wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

I have pointy ears, I'm exciting now.

I'm short, I'm exciting now.

..yaaay.

Only a few % actually play non-human characters. That's why.

As if that were what people are really talking about..

And even if 20% is really all that played non-humans (and I highly doubt that, more like 20% played non-humans first, and most people don't finish a game twice), 20% is a huge number when you consider just how many people played and are playing Origins. And those 20% are the core audience that actually got everything there was to get out of the game, rather than the casual buy-or-not I-don't-really-care players.

Game companies' statistics (including BioWare's I'm sure) also show that a majority of players never finish any game over a certain amount of hours. Should they therefore just forget about including an ending? Less than half the players will ever see it, so why bother there? Should they shorten the game to 15 hours? It's a poor arguement for exclusion.

Because a casual still pays the same €60 for the game.

And there are far more of them than us.

Bottom line is what it is.

I posted this in a rant earlier - but analytics and telemetery data are doing more damage to games than not.

Don't even look how many people finish, don't even look how many people play a type of character, look at things like how often people save, how often people play with mods etc, but actual gameplay features - leave well alone.

You want gaming to be art and you want it to be entertaining - you can't make an artful or entertaining game based on raw analytical data. That crap belongs in predicting where job creation / loss will occur due to following information regarding pallet movement. Not the entertainment industry.

Yes, because that wouldn't be damaging for their finances at all. Believe it or not, but BioWare is a business, and they have to make money. They need to think of the casuals since they are the biggest pool of potential income. Fact is, a lot more people would buy the game if you play as a human than if you play as an elf or a dwarf.

I also don't see how not standing up to elven servants at the beginning is being racist, and I don't remember Nan ever calling them "knife-ears". 

That's because she didn't.

Just because my nobles didn't say anything DOES NOT MAKE THEM racist.    Its how the game is written.

I really wish people would keep their social justice at bay and let people ENJOY THE GAMES the way THEY WANT TO .

[Melca36]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Meh, I reckon most people play Human Noble just to become king/queen or to stay with Alistair (since he'll dump your ass if you make him king and non-harden)

Please don't steroetype.

Now every Cousland noble wanted to be queen.

One of my nobles was in love with Zevran and betrayed Alistair at the end. 

[wsandista]

Well, I wouldn't say that Human is the most boring race(that honor goes to the elves), but race selection should be included.

Oh and Human noble is one of the best origins, dalish elf was clearly the worst.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Melca36 wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Meh, I reckon most people play Human Noble just to become king/queen or to stay with Alistair (since he'll dump your ass if you make him king and non-harden)

Please don't steroetype.

Now every Cousland noble wanted to be queen.

One of my nobles was in love with Zevran and betrayed Alistair at the end. 

But I didn't. I said "reckon" and "most".

[eroeru]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...


1. Mage
2. Dwarf Commoner
2. City Elf
2. Dwarf Noble
5. Human Noble
6. Dalish

Good list. I'd say about the same.

[Arokel]

Xilizhra wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Erm, neither elves nor dwarves really have any advantages over humans here, and humans have a decided societal advantage. So it's not really playing any kind of underdog.

Thats why I love my Dalish in DA.  But I still feel it kinda applies.  At least the normal part. Not the advantage part.

Humans in DA are effectively supernormal.

I am talking form a western cultural perspective.  Aside from Tevinter the human nations of Thedas are either feudal monarchies or independent city states.  Neither of these things are unusual in western history.  The gypsy/native american wandering tribes of the Dalish, The indian caste system of the dwarves, and the quasi-religious philosophy of the Qunai are all things not typically found in western history and culture

[Chaoswind]

As long as we understand that some suggestions are made by keeping profit and revenue in mind we can get along.

Most people play humans mostly, if the choice to play as something else was available, a good % wouldn't mind to play as those and that increases the replay value, however, if the only option was to play as a girly elf or a midget, then most of those players wouldn't even buy the game to begin with.


DA3 is supposed to have multiplayer, so we can expect that the PC in campain is going to be human, while all other races (including darkspawn?) will be available in multiplayer.


I would hope to have a MP similar to ME3 (minus the bugs) but all we can do is speculate.

[Amish Love Machine]

FaWa wrote...
-We are humans in our every day life. Why be one in a video game?

I play humans because I like playing humans.

[Wifflebottom]

Very rarely do humans in fantasy games have the same types of lives as modern humans. In real life we don't have mages, or the Fade, a templar order (unless you're a conspiracy theorist), most of us have never fled a Blight, haven't seen a legion of zombie-like monsters lead by a dragon, never even seen dragons etc... If you think the other races are are so wonderful their cultures are heavily based off of human cultures, the elves are pagans, hippies, etc. Dwarves are just short hairy humans that worship their ancestors. The only race that'd maybe be more interesting than humans, dwarves, or elves would be the Kossith.

[Emzamination]

A member of the human race calling humans the most boring race ever... I feel dizzy.

[Arokel]

Wifflebottom wrote...

Very rarely do humans in fantasy games have the same types of lives as modern humans. In real life we don't have mages, or the Fade, a templar order (unless you're a conspiracy theorist), most of us have never fled a Blight, haven't seen a legion of zombie-like monsters lead by a dragon, never even seen dragons etc... If you think the other races are are so wonderful their cultures are heavily based off of human cultures, the elves are pagans, hippies, etc. Dwarves are just short hairy humans that worship their ancestors. The only race that'd maybe be more interesting than humans, dwarves, or elves would be the Kossith.

To be fair most humans of Thedas have never seen a blight or a dragon.  In the smaller villages they have probably never even seen magic before.

[PsychoBlonde]

I haven't found anything about the dwarves or elves particularly compelling or interesting yet. Humans yes, but there doesn't seem to be that much to distinguish dwarves and elves from humans. Elves live in squalor in alienages where they're abused by the high and mighty? Humans live in squalor and are abused too. Dwarves are big into money and political maneuvering? Humans do that too. You can't even really say that the Qunari are more interesting because there are *human* Qunari.

For me, Humans have become the *only* interesting race because they're the only ones who (potentially) do everything. The other races are a sideline at best.  If they'd actually pull out something really weird or interesting about the elves or dwarves, maybe I'd care.

Modifié par PsychoBlonde, 01 octobre 2012 - 06:04 .

[brushyourteeth]

Melca36 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I also don't see how not standing up to elven servants at the beginning is being racist, and I don't remember Nan ever calling them "knife-ears". 

That's because she didn't.

Just because my nobles didn't say anything DOES NOT MAKE THEM racist.    Its how the game is written.

I really wish people would keep their social justice at bay and let people ENJOY THE GAMES the way THEY WANT TO .

No, no no. You guys are missing the point.

The writers intended Nan to be racist, and intended for your Cousland to either not notice or not care about Nan's racism - in order to deliberately show how priviledged you were as a human and how ridiculously mistreated and downtrodden the elves are (notice how they act like scared kids instead of confident adults? That's city elves). The same thing was done when you were introduced to your tutor, to show that you were educated. And introduced to other nobles, to show that you were priviledged. It was beautifully done.

Xilizhra was just saying that the fact that you're not able to say "Hey, quit being mean to those elves." put a bad taste in her mouth. And it was meant to. If she decided she didn't like being a Cousland after that, that's completely her business. If it didn't bother you (like it didn't bother me), then great. But don't jump down her throat for having different preferences than yours.

And if you have any doubts about Nan's treatment of the elves, I'd just start a Cousland character, save, and try all options in the kitchen. It'll take about five minutes to be sure.

[brushyourteeth]

Emzamination wrote...

A member of the human race calling humans the most boring race ever... I feel dizzy.

Well, I sometimes get a little bored of being me. It makes Dragon Age all the more refreshing. 

[Emzamination]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

A member of the human race calling humans the most boring race ever... I feel dizzy.

Well, I sometimes get a little bored of being me. It makes Dragon Age all the more refreshing. 

It's possible to be bored of being one's self? Huh...Thats going to take me a bit to sort out and mentally digest. In the mean time... dizzy

[brushyourteeth]

Emzamination wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

A member of the human race calling humans the most boring race ever... I feel dizzy.

Well, I sometimes get a little bored of being me. It makes Dragon Age all the more refreshing. 

It's possible to be bored of being one's self? Huh...Thats going to take me a bit to sort out and mentally digest. In the mean time... dizzy

To be fair, your life is probably more interesting than mine. But don't think about it too hard - I don't want to be responsible for any nausea. 

[Chaoswind]

My cousland had no problem with elves, or dwarfs, I am the champion of felderen and its people (all of them) I have defended everyone; defender of the innocents and killer of the wicked, that is why anora/cousland is the best thing that can happen to Felderen.

[AppealToReason]

marshalleck wrote...

What exactly do elves and dwarves bring to the game other than pointy ears and diminutive stature, that humans in their place wouldn't?

Awkward romance scenes.

[Melca36]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I also don't see how not standing up to elven servants at the beginning is being racist, and I don't remember Nan ever calling them "knife-ears". 

That's because she didn't.

Just because my nobles didn't say anything DOES NOT MAKE THEM racist.    Its how the game is written.

I really wish people would keep their social justice at bay and let people ENJOY THE GAMES the way THEY WANT TO .

No, no no. You guys are missing the point.

The writers intended Nan to be racist, and intended for your Cousland to either not notice or not care about Nan's racism - in order to deliberately show how priviledged you were as a human and how ridiculously mistreated and downtrodden the elves are (notice how they act like scared kids instead of confident adults? That's city elves). The same thing was done when you were introduced to your tutor, to show that you were educated. And introduced to other nobles, to show that you were priviledged. It was beautifully done.

Xilizhra was just saying that the fact that you're not able to say "Hey, quit being mean to those elves." put a bad taste in her mouth. And it was meant to. If she decided she didn't like being a Cousland after that, that's completely her business. If it didn't bother you (like it didn't bother me), then great. But don't jump down her throat for having different preferences than yours.

And if you have any doubts about Nan's treatment of the elves, I'd just start a Cousland character, save, and try all options in the kitchen. It'll take about five minutes to be sure.

I've heard all of Nan's dialogue.   And yes it made me hate Nan but it did not detract from my enjoyment of the Origin.

I agree there should be more options but they will never get rid of the human origin.

 

Its now become fashionable to label people as racists just because they prefer playing humans and I find that extremely offensive.

Seriously though, I just wish people would let people play how they want to play. I absolutely loathe the Dwarf Noble Origin but I love the Dwarf Commoner Origin.   That said, I don't diss people because  they enjoy it.

[BubbleDncr]

I enjoyed my human noble play through, but I honestly only did it as my 5th playthrough because I knew it was the only way I could end up with my Warden on the throne. So, I still did 3 elf and 1 dwarf playthroughs before ever making a human.

I think in any video game where I get to pick the race of my character, I never pick human, because I'm a human in real life and want to play as something else. As much as that makes sense to me and I don't understand why everyone else isn't like that - there's plenty of statistics showing that most people just create humans.

Whatever.