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[Morty Smith]

dreman9999 wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

It´s a different feeling to fight for victory than be given the permission to win from your enemy.

Take sometime to understand you enemy. You find that they never wanted to fight you.

No they didn´t, they just wanted to get rid of us without a fuss. I understand that, we´re pals now.

Just like nationalist germany didn´t want to fight anyone, they just wanted to impose their twisted world-view on everything and everyone with force. It´s the other nations fault for resisting.

Get your mind out of the gutter.

Modifié par Kroitz, 01 octobre 2012 - 12:28 .

[OdanUrr]

mrs_anomaly wrote...

SPOILERS:


I'm about to finish my second playthrough of ME3. I just landed on Earth....my husband wanted to watch football so I just saved and got on Youtube because I haven't spoiled myself on the newer extended cut endings yet. 



Wow. I am officially a hypocrite. I say this because I was a staunchly interested in having  a "good death" to save the Galaxy. I didn't care how- at least let me die to win if necessary and give me a good ending and let me know what happens a bit afterwards. An epilogue. 

Now that I've seen the variations that would apply to my Sheps- I'm just thinking...I want my Shepard to survive. But I know that really doesn't even make sense. Shepard had so little chance of surviving this entire time anyway and she made the final decision to save the Galaxy. But but but..  


I'm going to have to read a novel with an HEA to get me out of this post ME3 blues . At least ..the galaxy was saved.  

I can sympathize. I think the problem is that many, if not most, of us wanted to go out in our own terms, if at all. The Crucible robs us of that. But, when you think about it, Shepard knows almost from the get go that the Crucible is their only chance to defeat the Reapers. We're talking about using a weapon that nobody knows how it works or what exactly it does, but Shepard, Hackett, Anderson, everyone's willing to risk it if it means defeating the Reapers. I think this choice represents Shepard's willingness to do whatever it takes to stop the Reapers, no matter the cost.

So, when he ultimately faces the Catalyst and his choices, what exactly is the problem? Why the sudden change of heart? Is Shepard no longer willing to make a sacrifice to stop the Reapers? What changed? The moment you chose to use an unknown quantity you accepted the possibility there might be unintended consequences. And, let's face it, at least you get three choices to stop the Reapers (even if Synthesis makes no sense).

The question we should ask ourselves is, I think, how far are we prepared to go to stop the Reapers?

[Brovikk Rasputin]

mayrabgood wrote...

Totally understand how you feel. Even if you sacrifice yourself for everyone it just doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy or anything. It sucks, I know. Hope you feel better soon.

WHAT!?!?!? 

It doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy? Did you actually pay attention during the ending? Stuff is being rebuild and your friends are alive. How... what is... what!?

[inversevideo]

Chardonney wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Shes already died once, living at the end of ME3 means FAR more than a second death.

So this. So, so this.

I also feel, very strongly, that the breathe scene is an after thought. It looks like it was taken from 'Priority Earth' after Shepard is hit by Harbinger's beam. In any event I don't buy that it is meant to be similar to Jakes scene in Avatar. The two scenes are framed differently. In Avatar, Jake is dying, in the company of his friends and LI, and the scene with the eyes and fade to black is meant to signify a successful transfer ( sorry being a bit vague for anyone who has not seen the movie). In ME3, Shepard is Left in rubble, alone, and it requires quite a bit of head canon to get her out alive. Given that this is the last time we are meant to see Shepard, why not a better ending scene for the protagonist?

Modifié par inversevideo, 01 octobre 2012 - 01:57 .

[Nightwriter]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

Totally understand how you feel. Even if you sacrifice yourself for everyone it just doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy or anything. It sucks, I know. Hope you feel better soon.

WHAT!?!?!? 

It doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy? Did you actually pay attention during the ending? Stuff is being rebuild and your friends are alive. How... what is... what!?

It's almost as if capitulating to a computer error doesn't make people feel like they won.

Who saw that coming?

[GreyLycanTrope]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

Totally understand how you feel. Even if you sacrifice yourself for everyone it just doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy or anything. It sucks, I know. Hope you feel better soon.

WHAT!?!?!? 

It doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy? Did you actually pay attention during the ending? Stuff is being rebuild and your friends are alive. How... what is... what!?

Reapers essentially rule the galaxy in one ending, you capitulate and alter the galaxy to please the Reaper overlord in another, and in the third you throw an entire race under the bus, nice job breaking them hero.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

Totally understand how you feel. Even if you sacrifice yourself for everyone it just doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy or anything. It sucks, I know. Hope you feel better soon.

WHAT!?!?!? 

It doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy? Did you actually pay attention during the ending? Stuff is being rebuild and your friends are alive. How... what is... what!?

Reapers essentially rule the galaxy in one ending, you capitulate and alter the galaxy to please the Reaper overlord in another, and in the third you throw an entire race under the bus, nice job breaking them hero.

And you picked refuse and doomed everyone. Nice job, hero.

[DDG4005]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You only need 3100 to get the breath scene, so with over 5000 you'll be fine.

"That's Shepard's last breath!"

That doesn't sound like a last breath to me. That sounds like a "waking up from unconsciousness" breath. I never understood that speculation.

Agreed.  My Shepard survived and lived off the royalties from the vids with Liara ever by his side.

[3DandBeyond]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You only need 3100 to get the breath scene, so with over 5000 you'll be fine.

"That's Shepard's last breath!"

That doesn't sound like a last breath to me. That sounds like a "waking up from unconsciousness" breath. I never understood that speculation.

Destroy destroys all synthetics.

Shepard is partially synthetic. The part of his/her brain that controls memory almost has to be synthetic (after ME2). Even if he/she did survive, it may not be them anymore.

Yes, it's the stupid ambiguity all around that leaves Shepard's fate unknown.  Someone used a very odd dictionary to look up the word, "closure".  Most people who actually use real dictionaries know it means to remove ambiguity.

You really have to go through the whole description of destroy (high EMS) and try and think about what it means to get the full effect of awesome nonsense. 

And the sad fact is, most of us who want even a partial victorious win and survival hang onto that torso breath like it was the word of God.

The problem is, it doesn't feel good afterward, not like a win at all, and it's so easy to get that the whole thing is silly stupid. 

[3DandBeyond]

Nightwriter wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

Totally understand how you feel. Even if you sacrifice yourself for everyone it just doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy or anything. It sucks, I know. Hope you feel better soon.

WHAT!?!?!? 

It doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy? Did you actually pay attention during the ending? Stuff is being rebuild and your friends are alive. How... what is... what!?

It's almost as if capitulating to a computer error doesn't make people feel like they won.

Who saw that coming?

Exactly.  The kid's given a purpose, becomes unhinged and puts his creators into reapers as a solution, then says he has new solutions, pick one.  Ok, he shows up as a kid and that's insulting to kids because they're smarter than that.  Heck, no child would come up with those ideas to make people stop fighting.  However, it's so cool looking right, so what if it doesn't fit with the story and is a compilation of other people's IPs?

[Oni Changas]

Garrus and some quarians are "partially synthetic" too yet they're lollygaggin' it up in the picture show endings. Destroy should have been targeting reaper tech, which would make sense.

[dreman9999]

Kroitz wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Kroitz wrote...

It´s a different feeling to fight for victory than be given the permission to win from your enemy.

Take sometime to understand you enemy. You find that they never wanted to fight you.

No they didn´t, they just wanted to get rid of us without a fuss. I understand that, we´re pals now.

Just like nationalist germany didn´t want to fight anyone, they just wanted to impose their twisted world-view on everything and everyone with force. It´s the other nations fault for resisting.

Get your mind out of the gutter.

You clearly don't get it. The catalystis just a machine doing what it's programed to do. It nas no morality. Any conflict it does is just a means to an end. It does not what to do no evil nor is inheritly evil. It has no concept of good or evil. It has no free will.

It just a mad dog that need to be put down. Stop trying to lokk atit as an evil thing.

[CaIIisto]

Sion1138 wrote...

Depressing endings are the best!  

Depressing endings are depressing. 

[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

Totally understand how you feel. Even if you sacrifice yourself for everyone it just doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy or anything. It sucks, I know. Hope you feel better soon.

WHAT!?!?!? 

It doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy? Did you actually pay attention during the ending? Stuff is being rebuild and your friends are alive. How... what is... what!?

Reapers essentially rule the galaxy in one ending, you capitulate and alter the galaxy to please the Reaper overlord in another, and in the third you throw an entire race under the bus, nice job breaking them hero.

1. Destroy-End vs means.The theme was in ME meany time before.

2.Control-stops the reapers and make them slave to Shepard. No problem.

3. Synthesis- still stops the reapers the reaper form havesting everyone. Bu tif you don'tlike it don't pick it.

[dreman9999]

OniTYME wrote...

Garrus and some quarians are "partially synthetic" too yet they're lollygaggin' it up in the picture show endings. Destroy should have been targeting reaper tech, which would make sense.

1.They are not intradependent on tech.

2. As the catalyst stated. All tech will easill be repaired.

3. It's brain death for synthetics.

[MegaSovereign]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

ZIPO396 wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You only need 3100 to get the breath scene, so with over 5000 you'll be fine.

"That's Shepard's last breath!"

That doesn't sound like a last breath to me. That sounds like a "waking up from unconsciousness" breath. I never understood that speculation.

Destroy destroys all synthetics.

Shepard is partially synthetic. The part of his/her brain that controls memory almost has to be synthetic (after ME2). Even if he/she did survive, it may not be them anymore.

He could of also not been affected by it at all becasue the crucible was good enough for it to have no affected him.

Then why include it at all?

Also, in the Destroy ending, Shepard's LI doesn't put the plaque on the Memorial Wall.

YOU DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED FOR WASTING YOUR TIME GATHERING WAR ASSETS


HERE'S A SCENE OF SHEPARD DYING. WATCH IT.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 01 octobre 2012 - 02:55 .

[dreman9999]

Nightwriter wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

Totally understand how you feel. Even if you sacrifice yourself for everyone it just doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy or anything. It sucks, I know. Hope you feel better soon.

WHAT!?!?!? 

It doesn't feel like you saved the galaxy? Did you actually pay attention during the ending? Stuff is being rebuild and your friends are alive. How... what is... what!?

It's almost as if capitulating to a computer error doesn't make people feel like they won.

Who saw that coming?

What does it matter if people did not see it coming? Know one even knew whay the reapers did what they did before.

The point of the ending was to point out there really is no inherit good or evil.

[knightnblu]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

If you pick Destroy with a high EMS, Shepard survives.

Agonal respiration does not equate to survival.

[dreman9999]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

ZIPO396 wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

You only need 3100 to get the breath scene, so with over 5000 you'll be fine.

"That's Shepard's last breath!"

That doesn't sound like a last breath to me. That sounds like a "waking up from unconsciousness" breath. I never understood that speculation.

Destroy destroys all synthetics.

Shepard is partially synthetic. The part of his/her brain that controls memory almost has to be synthetic (after ME2). Even if he/she did survive, it may not be them anymore.

He could of also not been affected by it at all becasue the crucible was good enough for it to have no affected him.

Then why include it at all?

Also, in the Destroy ending, Shepard's LI doesn't put the plaque on the Memorial Wall.

YOU DESERVE TO BE PUNISHED FOR WASTING YOUR TIME GATHERING WAR ASSETS


HERE'S A SCENE OF SHEPARD DYING. WATCH IT.

Matter of perspective.

To me he's waking up. To you he is dieing.

The punishment of not getting the war assist is worse. You get to watch everyone you love and care in the game die.

I rather die then see that. But that's just me.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2012 - 03:00 .

[dreman9999]

knightnblu wrote...

Terminus Echoes wrote...

If you pick Destroy with a high EMS, Shepard survives.

Agonal respiration does not equate to survival.

Open end ending mean I, you or anyone can imagine the results of that last moment with Shepard. 
AKA, if I say he is alive , i'm right. If you say he's dead, your right.
With subjective things, there never is only one truth.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2012 - 03:03 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Don't you guys just HATE that scene with the Normandy taking off right before the credits? It's pretty clear that they run out of fuel halfway back to Earth, or wherever they're going, and then crash into a sun or something. This is FACTS! So depressing!

[MegaSovereign]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Don't you guys just HATE that scene with the Normandy taking off right before the credits? It's pretty clear that they run out of fuel halfway back to Earth, or wherever they're going, and then crash into a sun or something. This is FACTS! So depressing!

That doesn't happen.

What REALLY happens is that another Collector ship shows up and destroys the Normandy.