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[MissOuJ]

Fhaileas wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm not evil, I'm actually very nice and kind. I can prove it. Here, loan me your wallet and sister/mom/daughter for a few minutes.

No, you're not "evil", you're just extremely sick, disgusting and creepy.

I'm actually astonished by the community's  tolerance towards this utterly crass and unprofessional display. Are comments such as these tolerated on these boards or are "jokes" about sexual assault only funny when Bioware officials make them?

Bioware:

We steal your money and rape your loved ones.

PR at its finest!

I'd like an answer to that particular question as well. As a female fan of BioWare this kind of talk from a Community Coordinator (who's also a man and in a position of authority in the BSN) makes me really, really uncomfortable.

[labargegrrrl]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm not evil, I'm actually very nice and kind. I can prove it. Here, loan me your wallet and sister/mom/daughter for a few minutes.

you can have my mom and sister only on the condition that you don't hold me personally accountable for anything that they might do.

[Fhaileas]

MissOuJ wrote...

As a female fan of BioWare this kind of talk from a Community Coordinator (who's also a man and in a position of authority in the BSN) makes me really, really uncomfortable.

Exactly! I can't over the utterly disgusting way he phrased it either -- as if females are akin to objects, with no will of their own, to be "loaned" and pimped around for ****s and giggles. The fact that some of us may have sisters/daughters who are underage makes it even more sick and perverted!

[MACharlie1]

Fhaileas wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

As a female fan of BioWare this kind of talk from a Community Coordinator (who's also a man and in a position of authority in the BSN) makes me really, really uncomfortable.

Exactly! I can't over the utterly disgusting way he phrased it either -- as if females are akin to objects, with no will of their own, to be "loaned" and pimped around for ****s and giggles. The fact that some of us may have sisters/daughters who are underage makes it even more sick and perverted!

Would you have said the samething if he said "Rape your boyfriend/girlfriend?"

Still disgusting but lets see how humorous you find it. Learn to not care. People will never get treated as they want if everyone cares about every single word that someone says and worries about every word they say that might offend someone. Progress occurs when nobody gives a damn anymore.

[MissOuJ]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Would you have said the samething if he said "Rape your boyfriend/girlfriend?"

Of course. Rape joke is a rape joke is a rape joke. They are never funny and never appropriate, particularly from a forum mod/community coordinator.

MACharlie1 wrote...

Learn to not care. People will never get treated as they want if everyone cares about every single word that someone says and worries about every word they say that might offend someone. Progress occurs when nobody gives a damn anymore.

Ahh, a guy telling women not to care about rape jokes. How unique. Seeing how this particular rape joke at least targets exclusively women, I don't see how your opinion on how we women should react is in any way relevant.

And no. Progress doesn't occur when people learn not to care. Progress occurs when people who make rape jokes realise there are social repercussions for making rape jokes and stop making them.

[filetemo]

The funny thing is that if we answered "like Mac and Casey raped the ending of ME3?" We'd get a warning about how "personal attacks to staff members are not tolerated"

[Empire MD]

I am trying to figure out where you got "rape" from? No where in that statement does he say "I am going to rape a woman in your family"... I believe you should just not take things so seriously and put words into jokes so you can be offended..

[labargegrrrl]

MissOuJ wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Would you have said the samething if he said "Rape your boyfriend/girlfriend?"

Of course. Rape joke is a rape joke is a rape joke. They are never funny and never appropriate, particularly from a forum mod/community coordinator.

MACharlie1 wrote...

Learn to not care. People will never get treated as they want if everyone cares about every single word that someone says and worries about every word they say that might offend someone. Progress occurs when nobody gives a damn anymore.

Ahh, a guy telling women not to care about rape jokes. How unique. Seeing how this particular rape joke at least targets exclusively women, I don't see how your opinion on how we women should react is in any way relevant.

And no. Progress doesn't occur when people learn not to care. Progress occurs when people who make rape jokes realise there are social repercussions for making rape jokes and stop making them.

well here is a woman telling you to lighten up.  fear of rape is half of what patriarchy has always derived its power base from.  if we continue, as women, to allow even the slightest implication of it to cause THAT much reactivity, then we only feed a myriad of lies that used to be routinely employed to keep women in a second class position.  including the myth  that we're the only ones who CAN be raped/sexually assulted, the idea that every single man alive is automatically inclined to that kind of violence, and the lunatic notion that it's SO much the single worst possible thing that could happen to us, that we're unable to function like normal human beings over it.  (like being able to take a joke without jumping to the worst possible conclusion?)

frankly, if you WANT to live in that kind of outmoded existential peril, don't take it out on the rest of us. 

[MelRedux]

 GUYS.  I think he was implying that he would give your wallet to your mother/sister/daughter.  At worst, he's stereotyping that women like to shop and spend money.
Way to immediately jump to the worst possible conclusion. <_<

[MissOuJ]

labargegrrrl wrote...


well here is a woman telling you to lighten up.  fear of rape is half of what patriarchy has always derived its power base from.  if we continue, as women, to allow even the slightest implication of it to cause THAT much reactivity, then we only feed a myriad of lies that used to be routinely employed to keep women in a second class position.  including the myth  that we're the only ones who CAN be raped/sexually assulted, the idea that every single man alive is automatically inclined to that kind of violence, and the lunatic notion that it's SO much the single worst possible thing that could happen to us, that we're unable to function like normal human beings over it.  (like being able to take a joke without jumping to the worst possible conclusion?)

frankly, if you WANT to live in that kind of outmoded existential peril, don't take it out on the rest of us. 

Well this is a new one.

I'm sorry, but as a woman and a feminist, I'm going to keep calling out men (and women) who reinforce rape culture by telling these "funny" little jokes. Also, the fear of rape is not what the patriarchy has derived its power base on. Its the act of rape itself.

Because I don't find it funny that rape is the most under-reported violent crime, and that about 75-95% of rapes are never reported. The number of rapes reported per annum in the world? Over 250,000. And in the US, only about 25% of reported rapes result in arrest. And not all arrests result in conviction. Overwhelming majority or police officers, prosecutors, and judges are men. Most politicians who make laws are men. Maybe it's just me, but maybe it might be that the patriarchal institutions are keeping women from getting justice and keeping them in a second class position.

See, we have tried not caring for a long, long time, and as it happends, it seems like it hasn't worked. Maybe speaking out about this is the next step?

I actually agree with you that there are several problems with the public perception of women/rape/rape and women, but not caring is just not an option for me. Speaking out against it is.

Mel_Redux wrote...

 GUYS.  I think he was implying that he would give your wallet to your mother/sister/daughter.  At worst, he's stereotyping that women like to shop and spend money.
Way to immediately jump to the worst possible conclusion. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Then he should have answered my innitial message, which was actually a question: "Did you just make a rape joke?"

In stead, my comment was edited by a mod to remove the question with no explanation added even after I politely asked for an explanation as to what had been wrong with my comment. So...

Modifié par MissOuJ, 07 octobre 2012 - 07:59 .

[MACharlie1]

MissOuJ wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...


well here is a woman telling you to lighten up.  fear of rape is half of what patriarchy has always derived its power base from.  if we continue, as women, to allow even the slightest implication of it to cause THAT much reactivity, then we only feed a myriad of lies that used to be routinely employed to keep women in a second class position.  including the myth  that we're the only ones who CAN be raped/sexually assulted, the idea that every single man alive is automatically inclined to that kind of violence, and the lunatic notion that it's SO much the single worst possible thing that could happen to us, that we're unable to function like normal human beings over it.  (like being able to take a joke without jumping to the worst possible conclusion?)

frankly, if you WANT to live in that kind of outmoded existential peril, don't take it out on the rest of us. 

Well this is a new one.

I'm sorry, but as a woman and a feminist, I'm going to keep calling out men (and women) who reinforce rape culture by telling these "funny" little jokes. Also, the fear of rape is not what the patriarchy has derived its power base on. Its the act of rape itself.

Because I don't find it funny that rape is the most under-reported violent crime, and that about 75-95% of rapes are never reported. The number of rapes reported per annum in the world? Over 250,000. And in the US, only about 25% of reported rapes result in arrest. And not all arrests result in conviction. Overwhelming majority or police officers, prosecutors, and judges are men. Most politicians who make laws are men. Maybe it's just me, but maybe it might be that the patriarchal institutions are keeping women from getting justice and keeping them in a second class position.

See, we have tried not caring for a long, long time, and as it happends, it seems like it hasn't worked. Maybe speaking out about this is the next step?

I actually agree with you that there are several problems with the public perception of women/rape/rape and women, but not caring is just not an option for me. Speaking out against it is.

Mel_Redux wrote...

 GUYS.  I think he was implying that he would give your wallet to your mother/sister/daughter.  At worst, he's stereotyping that women like to shop and spend money.
Way to immediately jump to the worst possible conclusion. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Then he should have answered my innitial message, which was actually a question: "Did you just make a rape joke?"

In stead, my comment was edited by a mod to remove the question with no explanation added even after I politely asked for an explanation as to what had been wrong with my comment. So...

Unless Mr. Priestly actually raped you or anyone for that matter, all this you've said is pretty irrelevant. The issue here is not the facts of rape itself but the fact that he made a joke about something. Therefore, it puts it in the same reign as jokes about minorities and things as such. 

Lady, get over yourself. Though you did give me a good laugh about that "progress occurs when there are repercussions". No - it doesn't. It's when someone is able to say something like "So did you hear? A woman is the president of Bioware!" and I am able to say "Who cares?" Just like this, someone makes an "offensive" - you should be able to say "Who cares?" Unless he's actually threatning you - and I know for fact that you don't think that he actually is - you really should get off that high horse of yours. 

As a feminist, would you be opposed to a joke about white straight men in any negative light? 

[Saberchic]

Fhaileas wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

As a female fan of BioWare this kind of talk from a Community Coordinator (who's also a man and in a position of authority in the BSN) makes me really, really uncomfortable.

Exactly! I can't over the utterly disgusting way he phrased it either -- as if females are akin to objects, with no will of their own, to be "loaned" and pimped around for ****s and giggles. The fact that some of us may have sisters/daughters who are underage makes it even more sick and perverted!

This is ridiculous!

No, he wasn't implying rape. It was a joke that entailed the female stereotype that we like to go out and shop, and thus, the "hannd over your wallet" part of his comment.

I'm a female (Oh no! A female with a male avatar! I must be under a patriarchial influence!), and I felt perfectly fine with his phrasing. You two are seriously twisting his meaning out of context.

[Fhaileas]

Saberchic wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

As a female fan of BioWare this kind of talk from a Community Coordinator (who's also a man and in a position of authority in the BSN) makes me really, really uncomfortable.

Exactly! I can't over the utterly disgusting way he phrased it either -- as if females are akin to objects, with no will of their own, to be "loaned" and pimped around for ****s and giggles. The fact that some of us may have sisters/daughters who are underage makes it even more sick and perverted!

This is ridiculous!

No, he wasn't implying rape. It was a joke that entailed the female stereotype that we like to go out and shop, and thus, the "hannd over your wallet" part of his comment.

I'm a female (Oh no! A female with a male avatar! I must be under a patriarchial influence!), and I felt perfectly fine with his phrasing. You two are seriously twisting his meaning out of context.

NO! You are being ridiculous!

Are you kidding me! Are you actually oblivious to the implied innuendo or are you being deliberately obtuse and trying to skew its context to deflect attention away from what Priestly actually meant. Here's what he said:

Loan me your wallet and (loan me your) sister/mom/daughter for a few minutes.

If the phrase "for a few minutes" had not existed I could have gone along with your interpretation of it alluding to women's (stereotyped) prediliction towards shopping and going on spending sprees. What kind of shopping takes place in a few minutes? Not even the internet kind as far as I'm concerned and even in that case -- why your wallet and not simply your credit card? Why even talk about "loaning" a sister/mom/daughter? No -- the phrase "for a few minutes" in this instance qualifies the sentence and leaves no doubt whatsoever about Priestly's sinister and perverted motives.

Your infatuation with Priestly or "blind allegiance" to Bioware not withstanding, to imply that MissOuJ and my reaction to this crass statement is a case of "feminist hysteria" is mindbogglingly asinine. For a forum where members turn into a rabid pack of wolves at the slightest provocation or implied insult towards their "virtual love interests", and where any statement that does not conform to mandated standards of "political correctness" are censored with prejudice, the complete and utter apathy towards this blatantly crude and sexist remark by Priestly is downright disturbing.

Modifié par Fhaileas, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:04 .

[Saberchic]

Fhaileas wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Fhaileas wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

As a female fan of BioWare this kind of talk from a Community Coordinator (who's also a man and in a position of authority in the BSN) makes me really, really uncomfortable.

Exactly! I can't over the utterly disgusting way he phrased it either -- as if females are akin to objects, with no will of their own, to be "loaned" and pimped around for ****s and giggles. The fact that some of us may have sisters/daughters who are underage makes it even more sick and perverted!

This is ridiculous!

No, he wasn't implying rape. It was a joke that entailed the female stereotype that we like to go out and shop, and thus, the "hannd over your wallet" part of his comment.

I'm a female (Oh no! A female with a male avatar! I must be under a patriarchial influence!), and I felt perfectly fine with his phrasing. You two are seriously twisting his meaning out of context.

NO! You are being ridiculous!

Are you kidding me! Are you actually oblivious to the implied innuendo or are you being deliberately obtuse and trying to skew its context to deflect attention away from what Priestly actually meant. Here's what he said:

Loan me your wallet and (loan me your) sister/mom/daughter for a few minutes.If the phrase "for a few minutes" had not existed I could have gone along with your interpretation of it alluding to women's (stereotyped) prediliction towards shopping and going on spending sprees. What kind of shopping takes place in a few minutes? Not even the internet kind as far as I'm concerned and even in that case -- why your wallet and not simply your credit card? Why even talk about "loaning" a sister/mom/daughter? No -- the phrase "for a few minutes" in this instance qualifies the sentence and leaves no doubt whatsoever about Priestly's sinister and perverted motives.

Your infatuation with Priestly or "blind allegiance" to Bioware not withstanding, to imply that MissOuJ and my reaction to this crass statement is a case of "feminist hysteria" is mindbogglingly asinine. For a forum where members turn into a rabid pack of wolves at the slightest provocation or implied insult towards their "virtual love interests", and where any statement that does not conform to mandated standards of "political correctness" are censored with prejudice, the complete and utter apathy towards this blatantly crude and sexist remark by Priestly is downright disturbing.

I'm not oblivious to any innuendo. He was not making the innuendo you are implying. He's implying that the women will be spending the cash, very quickly.

I'm not infatuated with Evil Chris, nor am I a ****. I am definitely NOT a ****. I have many criticisms of the company and the direction they are taking. Insulting me because I disagree with you is nonsensical.

You two are purposefully twisting his words around. What's disturbing is that you are so blind to it that even after a valid explanation of what was said, you still cling to your delusions.

It's women like you who give feminism a bad name so that when someone hears that word, all they hear is "man-bashing" or "man-hating."

edit: so Biodr*ne is censored?

Modifié par Saberchic, 08 octobre 2012 - 12:36 .

[Fhaileas]

^Wow! Selective blindness FTW! You are purposefully twisting his words around. What's disturbing is that you are so blind to it that even after a valid explanation of what was said, you still cling to your delusions.

I actually queried my boyfriend, my brother and a few of my male friends and they all agreed with my interpretation of the statement, as did several other posters in this thread BTW. Why don't you ask some of your male colleagues/friends to go up to a random guy on the street (or even an acquaintaince of theirs) and spout the following:

Hurr durrr!!!!! Dude, you don't believe how much of hardkore gangsta evul guy I am?! Then loan me your wallet and your mom/sister/daughter/girlfriend for a few minutes and I'll prove it to ya!!!!!

LULZ!!11!!

... and bear witness to the sort of reaction it begets.

Modifié par Fhaileas, 08 octobre 2012 - 01:54 .

[TheGreatLordShatner]

As a keen admirer of the fairer, more sensual sex I have to agree with the ladies here and say that "joke" disgusts me.

[MissOuJ]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Unless Mr. Priestly actually raped you or anyone for that matter, all this you've said is pretty irrelevant. The issue here is not the facts of rape itself but the fact that he made a joke about something. Therefore, it puts it in the same reign as jokes about minorities and things as such. 

Lady, get over yourself. Though you did give me a good laugh about that "progress occurs when there are repercussions". No - it doesn't. It's when someone is able to say something like "So did you hear? A woman is the president of Bioware!" and I am able to say "Who cares?" Just like this, someone makes an "offensive" - you should be able to say "Who cares?" Unless he's actually threatning you - and I know for fact that you don't think that he actually is - you really should get off that high horse of yours. 

As a feminist, would you be opposed to a joke about white straight men in any negative light? 

No. Please go to Google and type in "rape culture" and educate yourself on the impact of "harmless" little jokes such as this. Rape is very much the issue here. And are you saying jokes about minorities are completely alright? Because they play into stereotyping and inhumanisation which has helped to create a culture of discrimination.

As to would I be opposed to a joke about white straight man in a negative light... tell me one. Honestly, I have never heard a joke about WASP guys which was truly spiteful and full of negative stereotypes, because there are pretty much no universally accepted negative stereotypes about straight white cis guys. If you want to talk about the macho culture and the culture of violence, that's a different thing, but most of the time for example derogatory terms used for guys are usually derived from misogyny and homophobia, not from negative stereotypes concerning all men. And that, my dear friend, is the patriarchy: it has constructed a world where there is not even a single word to degrade all men in one go. Now think about how many you can come up with about women, racial minorities, sexual minorities, gender minorities...

These are not harmless. Language means things. Jokes are not made in a vacuum.

So no. I won't "get over myself" or "get off my high horse" before heavily women-centric issues like rape and domestic violence are properly addressed (this is not to say they are women-exclusive, or that only men can hit/rape, but most of the victims of these crimes are women), or before men stop harrassing me on the street just because they fell they have the right to, or before men stop groping me in bars/clubs because they think they have the right to, or before people stop making disgusting jokes about sexual violence that affects 1 out of 6 American women in her lifetime.

[tehturian]

Lighten up chaps and chappettes.

[Lennard Testarossa]

Sure is social justice Tumblr in here. God, you people are annoying.

Modifié par Lennard Testarossa, 08 octobre 2012 - 06:02 .

[Nyneve]

Seriously. He made a joke. A quite distasteful and not very funny one, but no need to get all hysterical over it.

[Atakuma]

Nyneve wrote...

Seriously. He made a joke. A quite distasteful and not very funny one, but no need to get all hysterical over it.

The joke wasn't distasteful at all though, people are just misinterpreting it.

[Nyneve]

Atakuma wrote...

Nyneve wrote...

Seriously. He made a joke. A quite distasteful and not very funny one, but no need to get all hysterical over it.

The joke wasn't distasteful at all though, people are just misinterpreting it.

Well, I think it was easy to misinterpret it, given the context, but yeah you're probably right.

[rapscallioness]

I think alot of good points have been made concerning Priestly's....."joke".

That said...hey! How 'bout that Kimberly Brooks! That's pretty cool.

I remember when she and Raphael Sbarge read those email Ash/Kaidan ME2 letters. What a difference it made to hear the emails read by their VA instead of just some email.

So, 4eva a fan of her and Sbarge for doing that for the fans. Hope you guys have fun in NY!