EvanKester wrote...
I'm going to guess always intended. Their mesh is visibly bulkier than other geth units, and the way they close in on cover makes no sense unless they're meant to be cover busters.
I do hope this is paired with some background fixes though, since those pyros are going to be really lethal now.
Lucius Aelius wrote...
Am I the only one who takes the developers at their word when they say something explicitly?
Modifié par capn233, 01 octobre 2012 - 10:01 .
capn233 wrote...
Who cares?
Modifié par mackfactor, 01 octobre 2012 - 10:09 .
Lord Rosario wrote...
Super Nothing wrote...
rtbh99 wrote...
Derek Hollan wrote...
You were never supposed to be able to grab Geth Pyros over cover, etc.
Right, just like Prime headshots were a glitch that somehow got its own special animation. No one's buying this.
Hehe. This is so true it made me laugh.
JaimasOfRaxis wrote...
Lucius Aelius wrote...
Am I the only one who takes the developers at their word when they say something explicitly?
People would be more inclined to take them at their word if they weren't throwing things like telling us the previous patch fixed ULM, that the Typhoon in its current state is a good weapon, etc.
BetrayerOfNihil wrote...
Either way, I hope those good-for-nothings ****ing scramble to kill the Pyro units before they get to the counters. I hope their farming experience becomes as miserable as ****ing possible, and as a result they either quit or toughen up to play legitimately. Meanwhile, we will continue to actually fight the Geth and other enemies as we always have, prospering in most games, while struggling in some others, having an enjoyable time throughout. We earn our Credits and Experience Points, and in turn we earn our Weapons and Characters.
prog_bassist wrote...
Mmmm...yeah, okay. Have fun with that.
This will just create new ways of farming it won't stop itprog_bassist wrote...
BetrayerOfNihil wrote...
Either way, I hope those good-for-nothings ****ing scramble to kill the Pyro units before they get to the counters. I hope their farming experience becomes as miserable as ****ing possible, and as a result they either quit or toughen up to play legitimately. Meanwhile, we will continue to actually fight the Geth and other enemies as we always have, prospering in most games, while struggling in some others, having an enjoyable time throughout. We earn our Credits and Experience Points, and in turn we earn our Weapons and Characters.
Mmmm...yeah, okay. Have fun with that.
Deadlysyns wrote...
This will just create new ways of farming it won't stop it
Lucius Aelius wrote...
Am I the only one who takes the developers at their word when they say something explicitly? I get that without extensive programming knowledge it's hard for most people to see things from their perspective (myself very much included), but calling them liars just because they say something you don't like is a little over the top.
Especially in regards to this discussion, I daresay the one and only armored (with solely close-quarters-combat capabilities) enemy in the game that you can grab over counters may not have been intended to possess such a vulnerability (and given the similar size as other grab-able enemies, it's easy to think that the basic "mook" model was used to create the Pyro with the oversight of having failed to remove its grab-ability, not a stretch given all the other glitches and oversights plaguing this game from the get-go).
A lot of people complain about glitches, and then complain more when something they didn't know was glitched gets fixed (or just call the developers liars and refuse to believe it was a glitch). And the arguments that the game wouldn't have been released as such if it weren't intended (or would have been fixed sooner) is ridiculous and utterly baseless given all the pervasive and widespread glitches, not to mention how hard and time consuming it's been to fix them all.
I agree that the Geth are ridiculous and this only makes them moreso, but just like with the Krysae being "nerfed" once again by this latest patch, it may well open up the Geth to further rebalancing in all the ways that really make them cheap (and not being able to grab Pyros is, in and of itself, entirely sensible and not in any way cheap; if anything it was cheap how easily they could be dispatched, and now it's been set to rights).
In conclusion, unlike most people here on BSN I don't assume the Developers are lying unless I've been presented with compelling evidence accordingly, and in this (as in most/all things they've posted) there is no such evidence and people should really stop whining and just deal with reality for a change, a drastic/impossible suggestion, I know... but I can dream.
capn233 wrote...
If you should be complaining about anything regarding the Pyro it should be the flame animation vs their range.
As for the Pyro no grab change, this isn't a big deal at all outside of farming. It adds a new wrinkle to hack objectives vs Geth. You just have to prioritize Pyros while they are at range.
most of the Farming matches i have been in don't rely on grabs they just do enough damage that sure one or two pyros get through but they can be dealt withBetrayerOfNihil wrote...
Deadlysyns wrote...
This will just create new ways of farming it won't stop it
Sick of this "you can't fight ideas with bullets"-esuqe bull****. The point isn't to make farming 'impossible,' however the Hell you'd do that, but to make the activity so undesirable that they quit doing it.
jpraelster93 wrote...
Just to stop farmers I hate being treated like im stupid and by them saying its because it was never intended is them treating us like we are stupid
jandrewcepticon wrote...
They should take away their dodge then. If they are too heavy to get grabbed, then they are also too heavy to skip.
Modifié par Rad_Rage, 01 octobre 2012 - 10:53 .
Lucius Aelius wrote...
Lord Rosario wrote...
Super Nothing wrote...
rtbh99 wrote...
Derek Hollan wrote...
You were never supposed to be able to grab Geth Pyros over cover, etc.
Right, just like Prime headshots were a glitch that somehow got its own special animation. No one's buying this.
Hehe. This is so true it made me laugh.
The problem with this reasoning is that it is baseless and completely inaccurate. Every unit in the game has (until this new patch) a single damage modifier for headshots. Rather than being a glitch, it was decided that it wasn't practical to leave this mechanic working as such (bosses have bigger heads/are slower moving, as such are easier to headshot). In the interim while they painstakingly gave every unit in the game its own individually set modifiers, they removed headshots from relevant enemies. That's all there is to it, and none of it has anything to do with this discussion.
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