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[CmnDwnWrkn]

Pyros are the only armored unit in the game that can currently be grabbed, thus I believe them when they say it wasn't intended. However, that doesn't mean it wasn't fixed now to combat farming. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. In other words, they might be implementing this change because it wasn't intended AND to combat farming.

[Kingston Atticus]

Lucius Aelius wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Lucius Aelius wrote...

People being wrong about something doesn't make them liars, EA aside I tend to believe that the Bioware Developers are being honest when they tell us stuff, and even if/when it turns out not to be true, I for one remain inclined to believe it an honest mistake unless presented with evidence to the contrary, none of which exists in regards to pretty much anything the BW devs have ever said (to us about this/other games).

Everyone needs to get out from under their tin foil hats for a bit now and recognize that you're being laughably paranoid, seriously people.

Last time I checked, when someone tells you one thing and then it turns out to be untrue than they are being dishonest.

Actually no, I shouldn't have to explain this but when someone says something inaccurate, if they believed it was true when they said it then they aren't lying, just wrong. There is an appreciable difference between being wrong about something and being a liar, and if I have to explain it again my head might explode, at this rate I'll next be asked to explain/prove why two plus two equals four...

2 + 2 = 4? Hmm all I know is 2 human female soldiers with crusaders plus 2 Destroyers with crusaders equals LOTS of devastated Geth!

 Anyway it doesn't matter if they are liers or just back talkers. It is business and that is all they are here for. Ok maybe the PR department dropped the ball but who really cares? Bioware, good. EA mothership bad!

[Paigan]

Tbh I wondered that I could grab one when I tried for the first time.
Armor health bar and beeing the second sized geth (or being a medium sized enemy) indeed implies being to heavy to be just snatched over in an instant.

So even though I grab them al the time atm, I think it's a good change.

[HammerFists]

Cerberus humans can all be grabbed except the Phantom. Does it really take 7 months to accomplish the same differentiation with the Pyro and Geth?

Part of me wants to think they've kept this idea on the shelf and previous patches buffed the Geth in other ways. They didn't want to over-do it, but now they needed something else.

[pantherdan]

Look, if a Pyro can do a combat roll (and they do) then they are light enough to grab. If Bioware were to make them too heavy to grab, then there is no way they could do a combat roll, so that would need to go, too.

Simple.

[Sgt SuperWae]

pantherdan wrote...

Look, if a Pyro can do a combat roll (and they do) then they are light enough to grab. If Bioware were to make them too heavy to grab, then there is no way they could do a combat roll, so that would need to go, too.

Simple.

After the patch we should start calling them Muffintops.

Super heavy on top but light on their feet.

[BerserKFang]

I can't understand why people cares so much about farming. I don't believe that farming damages others players. There is no bug exploitations, nobody steals credits or equipment.
I really can't understand. What's the matter anyway? Players farming are happy that way. Players not farming are happy this way.

Can somebody explain me this?

But, at last but not least, I really can't believe that Bioware concentrates all of their efforts to prevent farming when there are a lot of things that need to be fixed or added.

Again, could somebody explain me this?

[TheExile1]

 Honestly wished they didn't use white to balance the factions. 

[parico]

I never play geth on gold unless its UUG so it wont affect me much. The FBW farmers are gonna be pissed now they may have to actually learn to play or go back to silver.

[Super Nothing]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Either side have a quote as proof? Without that, it's just one word against another, so no point in arguing that. However, who the heck decided that Banshees and Brutes had bigger heads and are slower moving...? That's just absurd. Primes are the only ones with larger heads and are slower moving and an Atlas I would believe them saying it has no weak points as it has no head and is specifically made to soak hits.

So, bat to the point, if pyros never were meant to be grabbed, why didn't they fix this before and assuming they couldn't fix this before, why was it never even mentioned? That I have to say is rather far fetched.. and not the pokemon.

Here are the patch notes for v1.03 taken from http://www.egmnow.co...03-patch-notes/

Patch 1.03 Notes:
Common to all Platforms:

• Fixed an issue where sometimes facial movement would not match the voice over if a hitch occurred
• Fixed an issue where taking cover in a certain area of Cure the
  Genophage mission would cause players to become blocked from progress
• Fixed Action mode so it will now respect difficulty if set in the main menu
• Fixed an issue where the player would always be walking forward instead of towards objective in The Return mission
• Fixed the Ultralight Materials SMG weapon mod in multiplayer so it correctly affects weapon recharge
• Fixed a rare case where the reinforcement pack purchases could fail and take currency without giving cards
• Fixed the issue where users logged off/disconnected during
  multiplayer gameplay would not log back in properly until their game is
  rebooted
• Fixed the issue that multiplayer Geth sentry turret flamethrower would endlessly repeat audio SFX
• Fixed various multiplay maps where a player could fall through the map during multiplayer gameplay
• Fixed the issue that using an ops survival pack consumable
  immediately before death could have no effect. It now works as intended
• Fixed the issue so the Falcon weapon in multiplayer no longer sometimes fire blanks
• Fixed the issue where enemies who were detonated with a biotic power while in stasis would become invulnerable
• Fixed the issue where Banshees who got hit with a rocket launcher would not play the correct death animation
• Fixed the issue where joining a match in progress while a Geth prime
  turret is active leaves the turret there for the remainder of the game.
  It now disappears.
• Fixed the issue when joining a match in progress while the host is
  performing a combat roll would play firing animation on the client for
  the host character, for the duration of the match
• Fixed an issue so Vanguards who are charging as they die are no longer being routed to the ground
• Fixed Host migration that would sometimes cause players to start on an incorrect wave
• Fixed the issue when a client quitting a match during deep bleedout causes muted/ducked audio to persist into next match
• Fixed the issue that when being revived at the same time as being executed would leave players in an T-Pose state
• Fixed the issue that when a Banshee takes enough damage to stop her charge state, her normal state is not immediately returned
• Fixed the issue where a player could enter a state when completing
  cover interactions near a ladder which could lead them to becoming
  invulnerable and unable to deal damage
• Fixed game hitching of 1-2 seconds at start of waves
• Fixed clients occasionally seeing nonstop firing visual effects
• Fixed evaded projectiles having an erratic course
• Fixed an issue where selecting resume after death could occasionally cause henchmen to not spawn properly
• Fixed weapon recoil that could become reversed with a Turian when stability mod and passive power present
• Fixed the cover slot in Meet the Diplomats mission would cause a player to become stuck
• Fixed Geth prime and harvesters taking headshot bonus damage when they shouldn’t
• Fixed shooting the atlas in the cockpit with a penetration weapon doing double damage
• Fixed the Kishock Sniper Rifle that would hit head bone (critical
  hit) on enemies that should not be possible, such as the Brute, Banshee
  and Ravager
• Fixed and issue where clients in cover cannot do any damage to targets at wide angles relative to the cover
• Fixed an issue where player can glitch their melee combo to only perform cover lean melee animations
• Fixed an issue where while dying in multiplayer, if the player
  pressed the prolong life button too quickly they could erroneously die
• Fixed an issue so Drell Adept Reave audio plays at full volume for all players
• Fixed an issue that an interrupt could sometimes fail to prevent a Cerberus engineer from building a turret
• Fixed a crash in conversations after Investigate Sanctuary mission
• Fixed an issue where gear items from the Rebellion DLC would unequip at the end of each match.
• Fixed an issue so ammo consumables, such as cyro ammo, would not replicated from host to clients
• Fixed the Memory Leak going in and out of Multiplayer Menus
• Added feature to remove AFK players after a set amount of inactivity
• Added a cooldown to Ops Survial consumable
• Made ammo consumables insta-reload and damage bonus

They claim that the Geth Prime taking bonus headshot damage is an issue that they fixed.  They didn't claim to change their mind about it for balancing concerns, they listed it as an issue that they took care of.  I opted to post the complete list "fixes" for bonus hilarity. 

Modifié par Super Nothing, 02 octobre 2012 - 08:59 .

[Lord Rosario]

Super Nothing wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Either side have a quote as proof? Without that, it's just one word against another, so no point in arguing that. However, who the heck decided that Banshees and Brutes had bigger heads and are slower moving...? That's just absurd. Primes are the only ones with larger heads and are slower moving and an Atlas I would believe them saying it has no weak points as it has no head and is specifically made to soak hits.

So, bat to the point, if pyros never were meant to be grabbed, why didn't they fix this before and assuming they couldn't fix this before, why was it never even mentioned? That I have to say is rather far fetched.. and not the pokemon.

Here are the patch notes for v1.03 taken from http://www.egmnow.co...03-patch-notes/

[*]Fixed Geth prime and harvesters taking headshot bonus damage when they shouldn’theadshot damage is an issue that they fixed.  They didn't claim to change their mind about it for balancing concerns, they listed it as an issue that they took care of.  I opted to post the complete list "fixes" for bonus hilarity. 

Good enough for me. Makes me wonder where the other person's information was coming from.

[Super Nothing]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Good enough for me. Makes me wonder where the other person's information was coming from.

It comes from blind fanboyism. 

[JameJame456xx]

Lol.....I actually remember posting on a thread a long time ago that pyros should be too heavy too grab followed by an explanation....I wondered if Bioware read my post....

[Tymathee]

It was either give the walkers grenades or this.

geth are the only ones you can really camp from without being blastsed out by something and now they have that

[Ice Cold J]

Can't grab Pyros now?

Jesus, why not just rerelease the game with all these changes? Might as well since almost nothing is the same as it was when the game shipped.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

Makes sense to me because geth have no grenades nor any other unit besides the pyros to flush you out of cover. Having them no being able to be grabbed gives them that. When I grab killed my first pyro, I was a little confused on why they were the only armored unit in the game that could be grab killed.

[pantherdan]

Farming is REALITY in the situations posed in this game (usually above Silver).

The reality is that you take cover when you find that your 4 man team is up against a battalion. You farm all you can, then run as fast as you can to extraction... and hope its not "too hot" that your ride gets destroyed or for them to come get you out.

Modifié par pantherdan, 02 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[SirFragsALot333]

BerserKFang wrote...

I can't understand why people cares so much about farming. I don't believe that farming damages others players. There is no bug exploitations, nobody steals credits or equipment.
I really can't understand. What's the matter anyway? Players farming are happy that way. Players not farming are happy this way.

Can somebody explain me this?

But, at last but not least, I really can't believe that Bioware concentrates all of their efforts to prevent farming when there are a lot of things that need to be fixed or added.

Again, could somebody explain me this?

Question 1 - People's bias to a different playstyle  ( If you don't play their way it must be wrong)

Question 2 - Bioware might secretly see farming as exploiting their credit system or are caving in to people's complaints about farming. 

[nanotm]

pantherdan wrote...

Farming is REALITY in the situations posed in this game (usually above Silver).

The reality is that you take cover when you find that your 4 man team is up against a battalion. You farm all you can, then run as fast as you can to extraction... and hope its not too hot that your "ride" gets destroyed or for them to come get you out.

tbh people farm on brronze /silver as well unless someone is willing ot carry them on higher levels and help them earn credits, for me i kinda like farming cos it enables me to gain progression, i think gold and plat will now be insanely difficult because too many undergeared people will still (as new players) attempt to do those levels and completly mess up things for those that would otherwise have a fighting chance.

i'll be honest and say this coupled with all the other changes just amplifies the fact that there trying to slow down the credit farming, credits which are useless to most established players (apart from dlc packs/consumables) but which are vital for new players, making it too dificult to gain a lot of credits fast wont encourage many to hang about in multiplayer, some wil get there wallet out and buy there way to a good load out, but then they arnt likely to hang around for that long once htye get /try everything anyhow (easy come easy go) the changes ot pyro's as of 25th september's "balancing" just served to completly screw the players over since you can no longer duck behind cover to regen your shields when a pyro pops on you, you cnat combat roll away from them and you get exactly 1 second to kill it (not possible even in bronze now) before your crispy fried, the new change should of included a slower rate of fire and nerfing them down to 1/3rd of there current damage, and probably reducing the range of there flames of death.

oh and for weeks the only faction i really hated getting was geth since there imune to 90% of powers (due to there insane dodge) and getting 1 shot by hunters that stay cloaked regardless of how much damage they take /how many times they shoot at you is never fun, and lets not forget there movement speed, shields and damage got increased in last weeks tweaks, so now there even harder ot take out instead of being a 2 shot mook there now taking 4>5 headshots on silver, marudarers only take 2 shots and there supposed to be harder to kill>>>

[Kataigida]

I'm pretty sure that Pyros were supposed to explode when you grabbed them originally, in order to deter people from simply hiding somewhere and just counter-grabbing all the Geth... I'm not sure why they never exploded though. That would probably be better than not grabbing them.

[t1n0]

This won't stop camping, but it will make hacks and LZ missions near impossible once a Pyro gets near. Once you're down, there's not enough time to gel or have an enemy get near, so in effect, if a pyro gets you, its about the same as an insta-kill.
What I find interesting is people's attacks on those of us who do camp sometimes. I often start the night with a few camps to get some credits and warm up, or do some mindless killing while chatting with some friends. The easy creds kinda balances out buying PSP's for when you get 10 Argus's in a row, or useless char cards, or ___________ (fill in your fav PSP frustration) If you don't like a camp round, why don't you just find another game? Seems simple enough, unless you feel the need to make every one play the way you do. I've posted this similar comment on a couple of these Pyro threads in the hopes that maybe someone will notice without having to be told directly how arrogant they sound.
The ever popular "campers are pu55ies" attitude, that people who can't and don't run and gun solo gold/platinum are inferior, etc. You know what? Good for you. I happy for you. But why stop at complaining about campers? Why not complain about games where teams stick together to combine firepower? After all, that's not as skillful and glorious as venturing headlong at the enemy and taking down everything in sight in a majestic display of video game prowess, combining shooting, power combos, and movement with a perfect build....absolutely splendid. Truly.
Write Bioware and tell then that anything short of that should not be allowed, and teams that walk a map together to combine firepower should be penalized with a instant shield-nerf until they stay at least 10 or 15 feet apart for 5 seconds, bc after all, isn't walking around in a group, in effect, mobile camping?
Or how about the Cobra missile? Now there's a punt if I ever saw one, and we're allowed 5 per game. So, defending a position (or ambushing the enemy, depending on your preferred level of political correctness) is lame (which means you've prolly never served in or studied any military tactics) but clearing a room with one shot no matter how many bosses are present is okay...talk about suspension of disbelief.
In the end, as I have said, this will a far greater effect on Hack missions and the LZ extraction than camping, but a far more interesting side effect has been the parade of egos, bc as some of us already know, "After a victory, heroes present themselves".

[t1n0]

BerserKFang wrote...

I can't understand why people cares so much about farming. I don't believe that farming damages others players. There is no bug exploitations, nobody steals credits or equipment.
I really can't understand. What's the matter anyway? Players farming are happy that way. Players not farming are happy this way.

Can somebody explain me this?

But, at last but not least, I really can't believe that Bioware concentrates all of their efforts to prevent farming when there are a lot of things that need to be fixed or added.

Again, could somebody explain me this?

See my post above....

[Lucius Aelius]

Lord Rosario wrote...

Super Nothing wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

Either side have a quote as proof? Without that, it's just one word against another, so no point in arguing that. However, who the heck decided that Banshees and Brutes had bigger heads and are slower moving...? That's just absurd. Primes are the only ones with larger heads and are slower moving and an Atlas I would believe them saying it has no weak points as it has no head and is specifically made to soak hits.

So, bat to the point, if pyros never were meant to be grabbed, why didn't they fix this before and assuming they couldn't fix this before, why was it never even mentioned? That I have to say is rather far fetched.. and not the pokemon.

Here are the patch notes for v1.03 taken from http://www.egmnow.co...03-patch-notes/

[*]Fixed Geth prime and harvesters taking headshot bonus damage when they shouldn’theadshot damage is an issue that they fixed.  They didn't claim to change their mind about it for balancing concerns, they listed it as an issue that they took care of.  I opted to post the complete list "fixes" for bonus hilarity. 

Good enough for me. Makes me wonder where the other person's information was coming from.

One of the Developers said it at one point, I forget where or when (besides having been in a thread in the ME3 MP section of BSN) but I remember the gist of what he said (and stand by my paraphrasing thereof as being 90%-100% accurate). Maybe I/he was wrong, but I have a pretty damn good memory (for things I bother to remember anyway- unimportant things like which thread it was easily slip my mind, I didn't think it was so obscure I'd need to find it again to prove it exists).

[Lord Rosario]

t1n0 wrote...

This won't stop camping, but it will make hacks and LZ missions near impossible once a Pyro gets near. Once you're down, there's not enough time to gel or have an enemy get near, so in effect, if a pyro gets you, its about the same as an insta-kill.
What I find interesting is people's attacks on those of us who do camp sometimes. I often start the night with a few camps to get some credits and warm up, or do some mindless killing while chatting with some friends. The easy creds kinda balances out buying PSP's for when you get 10 Argus's in a row, or useless char cards, or ___________ (fill in your fav PSP frustration) If you don't like a camp round, why don't you just find another game? Seems simple enough, unless you feel the need to make every one play the way you do. I've posted this similar comment on a couple of these Pyro threads in the hopes that maybe someone will notice without having to be told directly how arrogant they sound.
The ever popular "campers are pu55ies" attitude, that people who can't and don't run and gun solo gold/platinum are inferior, etc. You know what? Good for you. I happy for you. But why stop at complaining about campers? Why not complain about games where teams stick together to combine firepower? After all, that's not as skillful and glorious as venturing headlong at the enemy and taking down everything in sight in a majestic display of video game prowess, combining shooting, power combos, and movement with a perfect build....absolutely splendid. Truly.
Write Bioware and tell then that anything short of that should not be allowed, and teams that walk a map together to combine firepower should be penalized with a instant shield-nerf until they stay at least 10 or 15 feet apart for 5 seconds, bc after all, isn't walking around in a group, in effect, mobile camping?
Or how about the Cobra missile? Now there's a punt if I ever saw one, and we're allowed 5 per game. So, defending a position (or ambushing the enemy, depending on your preferred level of political correctness) is lame (which means you've prolly never served in or studied any military tactics) but clearing a room with one shot no matter how many bosses are present is okay...talk about suspension of disbelief.
In the end, as I have said, this will a far greater effect on Hack missions and the LZ extraction than camping, but a far more interesting side effect has been the parade of egos, bc as some of us already know, "After a victory, heroes present themselves".

One thing I'd like to add.. Everyone complains that they cannot find U/U matches that don't end up on FBW and use the 28% of people playing FBW as their example. That number means that 72% of matches are on other maps... There are also only 13 maps, so in a perfect universe, every map should be played about 7.6% of the time. So, only about 20% of matches on gold/platinum can then be considered camping...

Sounds like campers should start making threads complaining about al these jerks not camping.. xD

[ElementL09]

parico wrote...

I never play geth on gold unless its UUG so it wont affect me much. The FBW farmers are gonna be pissed now they may have to actually learn to play or go back to silver.

All they have to do is prioritze both Primes and Pyro's.  It kinda sucks considering they are the same size as majority of Geth Units, but it is what it is.  There easy enough to take down.