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[Inanna Athanasia]

 

 First off, let me say I am "hoping" we can
have a nice conversation about Shep's final choices with ole ghost boy and not
go off the deep end. I truly want to know the thoughts behind why some feel
certain choices are the only one Shep would make and stay true to her/him. So
with that being said...



 I have seen so many people talk about taking the refuse options as the
only option Shep would ever make and stay true to who they really are. So I
went back and tried refuse myself to listen to it and see what I thought. Well,
I don't feel that is true to Shep at all. Why? I will tell you...



 Shepard has built her/his career on one thought only, stopping the
Reapers and saving the galaxy from extinction. S/He has made this statement in
all 3 games many times over. The best, in my opinion, is in ME3 when Anderson
is told by Shep that s/he will stop the Reapers or die trying.



  As I played through all 3 games again recently, I really thought about
Shep's actions and responses to people and the core of hers/his motivations. I
kept hearing one thing over and over, that Shep knew the Reapers were coming
and was going to stop them no matter what. That there was some way to save
everyone and Shep was going to find it. While there is many other things going
on in their life like falling in love once or twice or end more, depending on
your play through, the core of Shep's focus is saving the galaxy no matter
what. If you romanced Jack, she comments to Shep that his 1st love is the
reapers, which implies even love takes a backstage to Shep's drive to stop the
Reapers and save the galaxy. I always felt like in ME2 when Shep realizes that
s/he actually died and was brought back that only one thing mattered, saving
the galaxy. Shep begins to take on a new drive that shows that no matter what
s/he thought of various people and so forth, such on working with TIM and such;
it doesn't matter as long as the Reapers are destroyed. So with all that being
said, when I went back to play all 3 games in a row again, I found myself
taking the destroy options since I felt it "fit" the evolution of
Shep's drive to destroy the Reapers and save everyone s/he could.



 In my 1st play though of all 3 games ( I was introduced to ME via playing
ME2 and just did the comic back story DLC to get the important stuff and only
recently went and got ME1 to play too) I did the control option as it seemed
"right". 2nd time I did synthesis option, mostly because I never got
the option in play through one, but also cause I had heard it was pretty cool
IF you played it with the EC DLC. I admit, I did like it and it did fix 2
things I hated about the control one, killing EDI and the Geth. I still think its
cool, and that part of me that is a scholar finds the idea of being able to
learn about all the previous cycles and whatnot is very alluring too, but it
still just left me hanging. So I got ME1 and played all 3. Seeing what Shep was
like in ME1 and who s/he evolves into in ME2 &3, I really felt that Shep
would only take an option that would guarantee the Reapers would never again
hurt anyone and also save this cycle, as s/he has vowed to do since being
brought back to life in ME2.

 Needless to say this
is my biggest problem with understanding why so many have said that the reject option
is the only one that is true to Shepard. I don’t see how after promising
everyone that s/he would find a way to stop them and find some way to save the
cycle and obviously the people s/he cares about, or die trying would chose to
reject any of the choices and doom everyone to death. All 3 games Shepard has
made tough choices that effected so many and each time it has become a burden
that s/he is destine to carry. The entire game is based on one woman/man
bearing the weight of the galaxy on her/his shoulders only. We saw it with
leaving Kaidan or Ash behind, with saving or killing the council, with working
with Cerberus or not, destroying or rewriting the Geth, saving or destroying
the collector base, curing the genophage or not and so forth. These are choices
that can potentially have a huge impact on the galaxy, well maybe not Kaidan or
Ash, but still they are a huge burden to carry and Shep has to choose. S/He has
built a life on making the tough choices no one else cans or wants to. Yet as
hard as they are, as much as s/he does not want to make those calls, Shep does
do it. I think the part that really leaves me baffled on the reject is right
idea is that Shep says something to the effect of s/he will not be forced to
make a choice. WTF? As mentioned before, Shep is constantly making tough calls.
In my game that I was going to go with reject until I saw the YouTube video,
she killed Ash, killed the council, rewrote the Geth, blew up the base, cured
the genophage and now suddenly she refuses to make a choice? Really? I mean
really? She made choices that affected the entire galaxy, effected her own
friends and now suddenly she shouldn’t make a choice because now she doesn’t
want to chose a fate for everyone else? What the heck has she been doing the
last 3 years? Oh I know, making choices that affect the entire friggin galaxy.

 

 Anyway, there you
have it. So hopefully this can be a constructive thread and people will
actually want to talk about it enough to either enlighten on why reject is true
to Shep’s character or just further my own belief that it’s not. I am sure
there are others out there who have wondered similar if not the same thing as
they read through the many forums as well.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Synthesis. :innocent:

[Mr Cloud]

It depends on your Shepard. Everyone's Shepard is different.

[StarcloudSWG]

Destroy does the least damage and ends all possibility of the Reapers deciding to pick up where they left off.

In Control, there's still going to be people who want to see the Reapers destroyed. Sooner or later there will be conflict again, and then wham, the cycles start over.

In Synthesis, the galaxy either stagnates or there's conflict and the cycles will start over again.

Only in Destroy is the Reaper threat removed from the galaxy completely.

[Taboo]

Destroy for my Shepard.

[Inanna Athanasia]

I agree that it depends on your Shep and I agree that to me Destroy is the only way to go, but I have seen so many people say Reject is the only option that fits Shep's character, so I am just wanting to know why they feel that way. What part of Shep's fight in the 3 games makes them feel this is the call Shep would make.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

StarcloudSWG wrote...

Destroy does the least damage and ends all possibility of the Reapers deciding to pick up where they left off.

In Control, there's still going to be people who want to see the Reapers destroyed. Sooner or later there will be conflict again, and then wham, the cycles start over.

In Synthesis, the galaxy either stagnates or there's conflict and the cycles will start over again.

Only in Destroy is the Reaper threat removed from the galaxy completely.

Unless you believe the same logic the catalyst does, that synthetics will kill everyone because they can, then the cycles won't just start over again in Synthesis. Not to mention the "stagnation" part is factually incorrect given EDI's monologue stating that they're all moving foward, do your research.

[Mcfly616]

OP....only you know the answer to the question. It's your Shepard.

[futurepixels]

Destroy

[Maxster_]

Reject, obviously. At least for a Shepard from ME1.

[Charles Rosemberg]

That's exactly what i think.
In refuse Shepard feels like a coward to me, he's like running from the responsibility

[ATLAS1192]

Depends on the Shepard in question.

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

Control turned Shepard into an Immortal Guardian of the Galaxy who only steps in when stuff goes 6. I think of him as Superman. Doesn't get involved in the politics, just merely protects.

[Taboo]

sUiCiDeKiNgS13 wrote...

Control turned Shepard into an Immortal Guardian of the Galaxy who only steps in when stuff goes 6. I think of him as Superman. Doesn't get involved in the politics, just merely protects.

It doesn't really matter though. On whose authority can he do this?

[The Night Mammoth]

Ignoring that to do any of this Shepard has to do what the Catalyst is saying. the controller and creator of the Reapers, and entity obviously attempting some form of manipulation by 'tapping in' to her subconscious, who is feeding you what I would politely put as '****e', it depends on your Shepard.

If you acknowledge all that about the Catalyst, then reject.

[Maxster_]

In addition.
Paragon Shepard.
Renegade Shepard

Also, better with femshep.

[Inanna Athanasia]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Ignoring that to do any of this Shepard has to do what the Catalyst is saying. the controller and creator of the Reapers, and entity obviously attempting some form of manipulation by 'tapping in' to her subconscious, who is feeding you what I would politely put as '****e', it depends on your Shepard.

If you acknowledge all that about the Catalyst, then reject.

Ok, but if you do Leviathan DLC, you know that the Catalyst isn't the creator of the Reapers. Even if he was the creator and trying to manipulate Shepard, its still no different then the Dalatross trying to bribe Shep into not curring the Genophage or TIM trying to guilt Shep into saving the base and so forth. Again, Shep has always had outside forces that s/he had to face and make a call on how to act and what to chose. Ole ghost boy is the same thing. I don't see Shep as thinking it is a trap or so forth, only that like the rest of her/his career, choices are being offered and she/he has to man up and chose what he/she feels is right, but the key is, he/she has to chose something. No matter who is telling Shep this, I just can't see how Shep would not take the only course of action that would do what she vowed to do all those years ago while talking to Sovereign, to find a way to stop and destroy the Reapers.

[OdanUrr]

Mr Cloud wrote...

It depends on your Shepard. Everyone's Shepard is different.

Truer words were never spoken.

[The Night Mammoth]

InannaAthanasia wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Ignoring that to do any of this Shepard has to do what the Catalyst is saying. the controller and creator of the Reapers, and entity obviously attempting some form of manipulation by 'tapping in' to her subconscious, who is feeding you what I would politely put as '****e', it depends on your Shepard.

If you acknowledge all that about the Catalyst, then reject.

Ok, but if you do Leviathan DLC, you know that the Catalyst isn't the creator of the Reapers.

What? If you play Leviathan then you know that it most definitely is. The Leviatans were slaughtered by the Catalyst's mindless drone army in a surprise attack, and made into Harbinger. 

Even if he was the creator and trying to manipulate Shepard, its still no different then the Dalatross trying to bribe Shep into not curring the Genophage or TIM trying to guilt Shep into saving the base and so forth.

It's slightly different in that the Catalyst is clearly inside Shepard's head. Take that as you will, but it makes me trust it less. 

Was the Dalatrass inside Shepard's head, able to read her thoughts? Not that I know of. The Illusive Man didn't even have that capability, he could just control her physical movements. 

To me, it shows that the Catalyst is performing some form of manipulation that Shepard can't stop or control. 

Again, Shep has always had outside forces that s/he had to face and make a call on how to act and what to chose. Ole ghost boy is the same thing. I don't see Shep as thinking it is a trap or so forth, only that like the rest of her/his career, choices are being offered and she/he has to man up and chose what he/she feels is right, but the key is, he/she has to chose something. No matter who is telling Shep this, I just can't see how Shep would not take the only course of action that would do what she vowed to do all those years ago while talking to Sovereign, to find a way to stop and destroy the Reapers.

Simple. Either everyone dies as they were, fighting, or everyone faces a fate much worse by complying with the Reapers.

At least that how you coud reason choosing reject when the choice is offered. 

[thearbiter1337]

Refusal or Destroy for my Paragon Shep and this is without metagaming

As with Refusal my Shep isn't going to betray everything he fought for and not going to start falling into the enemy's demands

Destroy as it's what Shepard wanted to do for the past 3 games and also made 2 people commit suicide as they followed the other two ideas Saren-Synthesis TIM-Control

[Maxster_]

OdanUrr wrote...

Mr Cloud wrote...

It depends on your Shepard. Everyone's Shepard is different.

Truer words were never spoken.

Yeah, sure.
Actually Shepard have a predefined personality, and some personality fluctuations, but not entierily alien to predefined. Otherwise he wouldn't join military or became a commander.
And for any Shepard, Reject is obvious choice.
Paragon Shepard
Renegade Shepard

[ZerebusPrime]

My Shepards kill Reapers.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Every Shepard is different, but mine does Synthesis.

[whitefire138]

OdanUrr wrote...

Mr Cloud wrote...

It depends on your Shepard. Everyone's Shepard is different.

Truer words were never spoken.

Couldn't agree more, but with me destory, the reapers is a flawed solution, the laviathan DLC conferms it. Control feels to finatical to me. No opinon on rejection but that is just me.