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[MerchantGOL]

Every Shepard Is Different, I alone havea bunch of different Shepards that would make these different choices

Destroy is not a option for my main shepard

while its the only option for one of my femsheps

[MerchantGOL]

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Every Shepard is different, but mine does Synthesis.

Special for you

Ah...memories. I actually took one of those "What Mass Effect character are you" tests and ended up as Saren Arterius.

Yeah, Shepard going from hero to meek anti-hero is the greatest possible ending for entire trilogy

Shepard is still a hero in Synthesis. Everyone, Reapers included, benefit from Shepard's sacrifice.

Whether they wanted to become Borg or not.....

There's other  examples of synthesis in scifi than just the Borg.

Cybermen, Daleks, Terminators, Darth Vader, Dr Robotnik.......

Transformers Beast Machines, Gundam 00 Path of a trailblazer

all had  the synthisis ending as a big Positive

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...
Of forced assimilation, you meant?
Please, enlighten me

No, just synthesized races.

Synthesized against their will. 

Wait, is this a universal consensus you're alluding to, or just a broad assumption?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Technically yes, in varying degrees, but i was talking about full synthesis. An example: Cybertronians, I mean Autobots is short for autonomous robotic organisms.

Wait, Shepard becomes Optimus Prime? Awesome. 

Still, there was no need for him to take the decision on his own to turn the rest of us into Bumblebee, Cliffjumper etc.

Maxster_ wrote...
There is a difference, you know. The one that decides who is hero, and who is anti-hero.
Forced cyborgization versus voluntarily self-cyborgization is that difference.

 Yes, Shepard did technically force Synthesis on the galaxy, but this is the same galaxy that trusted Shepard enough to let him/her decide their fate, so it's technically voluntary as well.
PS: See, Transformers are more fun to use than Borg for Synthesis comparisons

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 01 octobre 2012 - 11:36 .

[Mavqt]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Destroy for my Shepard.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

MerchantGOL wrote...
Transformers Beast Machines, Gundam 00 Path of a trailblazer

all had  the synthisis ending as a big Positive

I was gonna use Gundam 00 as well, but figured Transformers is more well known. Anyway, thanks for the assist.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 01 octobre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Aaleel]

It would be destroy for all my Shepards if I played them all through ME3.

They all had one goal through the better part of three games, end the reaper threat definitively and preserve the continuity of Organics races. So it would be Destroy across the board for all of them.

[Maxster_]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Technically yes, in varying degrees, but i was talking about full synthesis. An example: Cybertronians, I mean Autobots is short for autonomous robotic organisms.

Wait, Shepard becomes Optimus Prime? Awesome. 

Still, there was no need for him to take the decision on his own to turn the rest of us into Bumblebee, Cliffjumper etc.

Maxster_ wrote...
There is a difference, you know. The one that decides who is hero, and who is anti-hero.
Forced cyborgization versus voluntarily self-cyborgization is that difference.

 Yes, Shepard did technically force Synthesis on the galaxy, but this is the same galaxy that trusted Shepard enough to let him decide their fate, so it's technically voluntary as well.
PS: See, Transformers are more fun to use than Borg for Synthesis comparisons

When exactly all inhabitants of the galaxy let Shepard to decide their fate? It is when that two anti-heroes Catalyst and Shepard, decided among themselves that it would be for the best, and then imposed that on entire galaxy?

P.S. But borg comparison is a far more close to a truth

Modifié par Maxster_, 01 octobre 2012 - 11:38 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maxster_ wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Technically yes, in varying degrees, but i was talking about full synthesis. An example: Cybertronians, I mean Autobots is short for autonomous robotic organisms.

Wait, Shepard becomes Optimus Prime? Awesome. 

Still, there was no need for him to take the decision on his own to turn the rest of us into Bumblebee, Cliffjumper etc.

Maxster_ wrote...
There is a difference, you know. The one that decides who is hero, and who is anti-hero.
Forced cyborgization versus voluntarily self-cyborgization is that difference.

 Yes, Shepard did technically force Synthesis on the galaxy, but this is the same galaxy that trusted Shepard enough to let him decide their fate, so it's technically voluntary as well.
PS: See, Transformers are more fun to use than Borg for Synthesis comparisons

When exactly all inhabitants of the galaxy let Shepard to decide their fate? It is when that two anti-heroes Catalyst and Shepard, decided among themselves that it would be for the best, and then imposed that on entire galaxy?

P.S. But borg comparison is a far more close to a truth

When they all agreed to ally with Shepard to defeat the Reaper threat, which happens in Synthesis since Reapers become friendly.

[CaIIisto]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Wait, is this a universal consensus you're alluding to, or just a broad assumption?

No, I'm sure Shepard waited while everyone voted on the subject.

"What's that, Shepard can destroy the Reapers, or, we can be synthesized? What does that even mean? What? F*ck that, kill them."

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

Taboo-XX wrote...

sUiCiDeKiNgS13 wrote...

Control turned Shepard into an Immortal Guardian of the Galaxy who only steps in when stuff goes 6. I think of him as Superman. Doesn't get involved in the politics, just merely protects.

It doesn't really matter though. On whose authority can he do this?

Just like Superman, he just does it. People can try to stop him, but if the controlled reapers are being protective and helpful, why would they want to.

Remember the reapers are now run by Shepard's essence. He has full "Control". A lot of people on this forum think he'll just go nuts over time. "The Reapers" are now "The Guardians"

[MerchantGOL]

Maxster_ wrote...


P.S. But borg comparison is a far more close to a truth

No its  not the borgs have no emotion or individuality

In gundam  00 Humanity is able to attain true  peace  with them selves an a hostile technorganic race, because they were able to create a dialouge through the enhancments their form of synthis gave them, that ending is pretty much me3's Syntesis ending. word for word

[Maxster_]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Technically yes, in varying degrees, but i was talking about full synthesis. An example: Cybertronians, I mean Autobots is short for autonomous robotic organisms.

Wait, Shepard becomes Optimus Prime? Awesome. 

Still, there was no need for him to take the decision on his own to turn the rest of us into Bumblebee, Cliffjumper etc.

Maxster_ wrote...
There is a difference, you know. The one that decides who is hero, and who is anti-hero.
Forced cyborgization versus voluntarily self-cyborgization is that difference.

 Yes, Shepard did technically force Synthesis on the galaxy, but this is the same galaxy that trusted Shepard enough to let him decide their fate, so it's technically voluntary as well.
PS: See, Transformers are more fun to use than Borg for Synthesis comparisons

When exactly all inhabitants of the galaxy let Shepard to decide their fate? It is when that two anti-heroes Catalyst and Shepard, decided among themselves that it would be for the best, and then imposed that on entire galaxy?

P.S. But borg comparison is a far more close to a truth

When they all agreed to ally with Shepard to defeat the Reaper threat, which happens in Synthesis since Reapers become friendly.

Oh, i get it now. Alliance between two faction means that one faction is authorized to anything they want to do with the other faction Especially at cellular level.
Also, alliance is thing between equal(or close to) entities, not a single person and entire stellar civilization.
And when exactly Shepard got the right to do everything he wish to the allied forces?

[MerchantGOL]

Additionally You can't use the "shepard has no right to decide the other races fate excuse" then say destroy is the best option when you still deciding the fates of entire species

[CaIIisto]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
When they all agreed to ally with Shepard to defeat the Reaper threat, which happens in Synthesis since Reapers become friendly.

Guess they should have checked the small print. 

I seriously doubt that anyone but the Geth would look on the idea favourably, and even then because the alternative is that the Geth themselves would die in a destroy ending.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Maxster_ wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
When they all agreed to ally with Shepard to defeat the Reaper threat, which happens in Synthesis since Reapers become friendly.

Oh, i get it now. Alliance between two faction means that one faction is authorized to anything they want to do with the other faction Especially at cellular level.
Also, alliance is thing between equal(or close to) entities, not a single person and entire stellar civilization.
And when exactly Shepard got the right to do everything he wish to the allied forces?

Since Shepard knows the most about Reapers, they agreed to refer to his judgement for anything involving Reapers. Same as what the Turians did for Garrus. Also, the galaxy doesn't even know what the Crucible was supposed to do but they put all their fates in Shepard's hands because they believed in him/her to save them.

[MerchantGOL]

Bester76 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
When they all agreed to ally with Shepard to defeat the Reaper threat, which happens in Synthesis since Reapers become friendly.

Guess they should have checked the small print. 

I seriously doubt that anyone but the Geth would look on the idea favourably, and even then because the alternative is that the Geth themselves would die in a destroy ending.

You  don't think people would  like Peace, A quick speedy reconstruction, and amazing new technological advamncments, and possible immortality?

you don't know people very well

[SNascimento]

As a lot of people said, it depends on your Shepard... my main picked synthesis because I really like that idea. Although, after Leviathan, it might backfire in colossal proportions.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Bester76 wrote...


No, I'm sure Shepard waited while everyone voted on the subject.

"What's that, Shepard can destroy the Reapers, or, we can be synthesized? What does that even mean? What? F*ck that, kill them."

Destroyers operate on this false belief that consent is on their side. It's false for a bunch of reasons: no species would accept their genocide for the cause (so the synthetics as a whole do not consent). Watch the Joker/EDI scene and tell me that Destroy did not violate his consent. For that matter, the quarians using the geth to rehabilitate/readapt to Rannoch (and how many other countless other individuals out there may rely on synthetics the same way).

There's no luxury of majority vote and pleasing everyone on this. So Synthesis is as valid on a "consent" level as any other.

[Maxster_]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


P.S. But borg comparison is a far more close to a truth

No its  not the borgs have no emotion or individuality

In gundam  00 Humanity is able to attain true  peace  with them selves an a hostile technorganic race, because they were able to create a dialouge through the enhancments their form of synthis gave them, that ending is pretty much me3's Syntesis ending. word for word

Well, i guess submission is preferable to extinction for some
Also ME1 ideas like strength in the diversity going into oblivion. In exchange for a bright new one, that peace only be possible through homogenization.
And not only homogenization of bodies, but also homogenization of minds.
Ah, that brave new world

[Inanna Athanasia]

The Night Mammoth wrote...


Simple. Either everyone dies as they were, fighting, or everyone faces a fate much worse by complying with the Reapers.

At least that how you coud reason choosing reject when the choice is offered. 

Whoa, Either everyone dies fighting as they were or everyone faces a fate much worse by complying with the reapers?? Excuse me, but I would say that destroying all Reapers and everyone lives knowing the Reapers will never harm another cycle is not a worse fate then death. The biotic kids, either I die fighting a war I never wanted to be a part of or the Reapers are destroyed and now I can go back to having a life and all the things I dreamed of. Krogan, the genophage is cured and our race can find love, have children again and embrace everything we have fought over a 1000 yrs for or we can all die and it was a wasted effort. Quarians, finally we have our home back and when this fight is over, we will regain all we lost or we die and who gives a f*** if we got it back or not...and on and on. How is any of that a fate worse then dying? I thought the whole point of all the races were fighting to save their races and some to enjoy and appreciate what others, including Shep, died to make possible for them. The fight with the hope that somehow the reapers will be destroyed and they will live to see another day. They joined Shepard in hopes that everything Shep has accomplised over the years, that she/he can do what no one else can and destroy the Reapers. No one wanted to fight to see if they would all die, they fought to hope somehow they could live. Being so, Shep destroying all reapers so that they can live is exactly what they are hoping for, praying for. They pray that if thier forces are not enough that somehow Shepard will live up to her/his word that they will find a way to stop and destroy the reapers no matter what.In fact if you ask Hackett the why me question and then says, anyone could kill one if their lucky, he says otherwise and more then that she/he offers up hope and faith. All through the game you see Shep trying to show she/he is just another soldier and over and over again everyone tells Shep that she/he is something more. Someone they all have faith will do exactly what they all have prayed for and thats find a way for all of them to live to see tomorrow.

[Davik Kang]

Bester76 wrote...
Wait, Shepard becomes Optimus Prime? Awesome. 

Still, there was no need for him to take the decision on his own to turn the rest of us into Bumblebee, Cliffjumper etc.

Damn it.  There is no way you can be a girl after this quote.  Heart... broken... 


Back to topic:

InannaAthanasia wrote...
 I have seen so many people talk about taking the refuse options as the
only option Shep would ever make and stay true to who they really are.

The thread title lends itself to the obvious answer that the true decision is your decision.  Shepard's character is, within the constraints of the dialogue options, your character, or at least the character that you choose him/her to be.

Imo, reject is the choice of the placard-waving student.  The one who believes in moral righteousness so much that s/he would sacrifice most life across the galaxy just to make a moral stand.

But I do also think it is the moral choice.  The other imo are highly immoral, to varying degrees, depending on your own beliefs.

(I chose Destroy btw, and would again and again, but still see it is genocide and a genuinely terrible thing to do.  Definitely can understand solid arguments for the others)

InannaAthanasia wrote...
...I always felt like in ME2 when Shep realizes that
s/he actually died and was brought back that only one thing mattered, saving
the galaxy. Shep begins to take on a new drive that shows that no matter what
s/he thought of various people and so forth, such on working with TIM and such;
it doesn't matter as long as the Reapers are destroyed...

The entire game is based on one woman/man
bearing the weight of the galaxy on her/his shoulders only. We saw it with
leaving Kaidan or Ash behind, with saving or killing the council, with working
with Cerberus or not, destroying or rewriting the Geth, saving or destroying
the collector base, curing the genophage or not and so forth. These are choices
that can potentially have a huge impact on the galaxy, well maybe not Kaidan or
Ash, but still they are a huge burden to carry and Shep has to choose. S/He has
built a life on making the tough choices no one else cans or wants to. Yet as
hard as they are, as much as s/he does not want to make those calls, Shep does
do it. 

This is a beautiful description of Shepard's character and role in the galaxy!  I was touched reading it.  This is really sad, but when playing ME1-3, I felt so much compassion for Shepard, even though she's a scripted VG character, for having to bear the burden of the galaxies problems on her shoulders.  You summed it up really nicely.

[MerchantGOL]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Bester76 wrote...


No, I'm sure Shepard waited while everyone voted on the subject.

"What's that, Shepard can destroy the Reapers, or, we can be synthesized? What does that even mean? What? F*ck that, kill them."

Destroyers operate on this false belief that consent is on their side. It's false for a bunch of reasons: no species would accept their genocide for the cause (so the synthetics as a whole do not consent). Watch the Joker/EDI scene and tell me that Destroy did not violate his consent. For that matter, the quarians using the geth to rehabilitate/readapt to Rannoch (and how many other countless other individuals out there may rely on synthetics the same way).

There's no luxury of majority vote and pleasing everyone on this. So Synthesis is as valid on a "consent" level as any other.

FREAKING THANK YOU!!

[Reorte]

Although I strongly think that some choices are better than others the same is true for some Shepards so I've got to go with the tired old "depends upon your Shepard" line. It's perfectly possible to roleplay a Shepard who would make any one of the available choices.

[MerchantGOL]

Maxster_ wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


P.S. But borg comparison is a far more close to a truth

No its  not the borgs have no emotion or individuality

In gundam  00 Humanity is able to attain true  peace  with them selves an a hostile technorganic race, because they were able to create a dialouge through the enhancments their form of synthis gave them, that ending is pretty much me3's Syntesis ending. word for word

Well, i guess submission is preferable to extinction for some
Also ME1 ideas like strength in the diversity going into oblivion. In exchange for a bright new one, that peace only be possible through homogenization.
And not only homogenization of bodies, but also homogenization of minds.
Ah, that brave new world

There is still diversty, but afte rall shepard did their was still so much hate , Wha thappens when their isn't a combined threat to bring people together, Synthesis  gives the best option for achiving true peace because now their is a bridge that conects us to each other, A krogan is stilla  krogan and a Quarrian is still a Quarrian.