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[ElSuperGecko]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
And yet, you can't differentiate between the Reapers and the Catalyst. Or for that matter, indoctrinated agents.

Supercilious again.  Why so butthurt?

I know exactly what the Catalyst is, thank you very much.  And I'm not going to change my goals based on a 2-minute conversation with it.

[Maxster_]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Yate wrote...

Anyone who chooses Refusal is not playing to character.

Really becaus emy shepard always looked for peacefull solution that would save the most lives.

LEtting trillions die because of Stubborn pride is not incharacter for my shepard.

Sure, submission is always preferable to extinction. Hello, Saren

I didn't Submit, the optiosn given at the end of the game, are not the machniations of the enemey, The machien would of done what it did with or with out the Uncaring god figure informing you what to do.

"You could have resisted, you could have fought, instead you surrendered, you quit!" - Shepard.
It is just an illustration, of how far from Shepard's character synthesis is.

Also, from where did your Shepard knew, that this was the end of the game, and that choices that are presented is not a machination of the enemy?

Modifié par Maxster_, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:26 .

[Reorte]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

What you know affects how you think.

To an extent. Sometimes more knowledge leads to greater hate.

Violence stems from misunderstanding, courtesy a general lack of knowledge, and poor judgment of individuals who don't realize that conflict is generally never preferable to cooperation.

Or fully understanding and despising, and then there's the whole issue of benefitting at the expense of others, which can very greatly benefit the victor, far more than if they had cooperated. You are massively, massively oversimplifying.

[MerchantGOL]

Maxster_ wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Yate wrote...

Anyone who chooses Refusal is not playing to character.

Really becaus emy shepard always looked for peacefull solution that would save the most lives.

LEtting trillions die because of Stubborn pride is not incharacter for my shepard.

Sure, submission is always preferable to extinction. Hello, Saren

I didn't Submit, the optiosn given at the end of the game, are not the machniations of the enemey, The machien would of done what it did with or with out the Uncaring god figure informing you what to do.

"You could have resisted, you could have fought, instead you surrendered, you quit!" - Shepard.
It is just an illustration, of how far from Shepard's character synthesis is.

Also, from where did your Shepard knew, that this was the end of the game, and that choices that are presented is not a machination of the enemy?

the firs tpart sounds more like a regection of Reject, You have knowldge and the ability to fight but you quit, because you were ether paraoid, Proud, or Just flat out Stupid.

any way, Saren Thoght the reapers could be tursted and took what they gave him, I didn't .

I built a machine that the reapers didn't want made, that they tried to stop me every step of the way, and then used it when i understood what it would do

second, Shepard new that The Crucible was designed to stop the reapers, he  knew that The reapers don't fllat out lie, and he knew that he could of just bled out a moment ago if the catalyst wanted.

[Reorte]

Maxster_ wrote...

Also, from where did your Shepard knew, that this was the end of the game, and that choices that are presented is not a machination of the enemy?

Without further information there's nothing much to do other than accept them at face value and consider "how can anything I chose make the situation worse than it is anyway?"

[MerchantGOL]

Did you believe Sovreign when he said he and his buddies were coming to Mess you up?

Did you believe Vigil when he said he was a prothean vi trying to help you

Did you believe Legion when he said the geth where not by default hostile

All these Ai's Could of lied to you, but you and shepard still take what they say at face value, let me tell you i have allot more of a reason to believe the catalyst at face value then you did Legion or Vigil

[Maxster_]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Yate wrote...

Anyone who chooses Refusal is not playing to character.

Really becaus emy shepard always looked for peacefull solution that would save the most lives.

LEtting trillions die because of Stubborn pride is not incharacter for my shepard.

Sure, submission is always preferable to extinction. Hello, Saren

I didn't Submit, the optiosn given at the end of the game, are not the machniations of the enemey, The machien would of done what it did with or with out the Uncaring god figure informing you what to do.

"You could have resisted, you could have fought, instead you surrendered, you quit!" - Shepard.
It is just an illustration, of how far from Shepard's character synthesis is.

Also, from where did your Shepard knew, that this was the end of the game, and that choices that are presented is not a machination of the enemy?

the firs tpart sounds more like a regection of Reject, You have knowldge and the ability to fight but you quit, because you were ether paraoid, Proud, or Just flat out Stupid.

Except that this "ability to fight" was given by the enemy the Shepard fought. It is entiriely not suspiciosly, sure

any way, Saren Thoght the reapers could be tursted and took what they gave him, I didn't .

Except Saren never trusted reapers one bit. He just was terrified, just like you

I built a machine that the reapers didn't want made, that they tried to stop me every step of the way, and then used it when i understood what it would do

second, Shepard new that The Crucible was designed to stop the reapers, he  knew that The reapers don't fllat out lie, and he knew that he could of just bled out a moment ago if the catalyst wanted.

Nah, Shepard and everyone else didn't knew what Crucible does. They supposed that it was device to stop the reapers.
And, as we all know, that was a giant battery, and functionality to use that battery was built-in into Citadel. And Citadel, surprise - was made by the reapers.
So they knew about Crucible from the start.

Yes, this is in fact so retarded.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Reorte wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

What you know affects how you think.

To an extent. Sometimes more knowledge leads to greater hate.

Violence stems from misunderstanding, courtesy a general lack of knowledge, and poor judgment of individuals who don't realize that conflict is generally never preferable to cooperation.

Or fully understanding and despising, and then there's the whole issue of benefitting at the expense of others, which can very greatly benefit the victor, far more than if they had cooperated. You are massively, massively oversimplifying.

No. The concepts of "hate" and "despising" are driven by emotions, not knowledge.

I'm not "massively" oversimplifying. I said "generally" to make it clear it isn't an absolute statement. But the concept that more knowledge creates more conflict is thoroughly flawed.

[Maxster_]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Did you believe Sovreign when he said he and his buddies were coming to Mess you up?

Shepard did not believed that there is no other choice, but surrender. In comparion to Saren and you.
Also, Shepard did believed in vision he got from the Prothean beacon, not Sovereign.

Did you believe Vigil when he said he was a prothean vi trying to help you

At first, Shepard did not, but it was clear that Vigil is not enemy. In comparison to Catalyst, who directly states, that he is.

Did you believe Legion when he said the geth where not by default hostile

I never believed Legion at all. He is lying too much.
And also, there is differnce between believing Legion, and get evidence that Geth indeed not so hostile the other way.
Also, obviously(from other evidence in game), Geth never intended nor tried to obliterate every stellar civilization. In comparison to the reapers.

[MerchantGOL]

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...


Except that this "ability to fight" was given by the enemy the Shepard fought. It is entiriely not suspiciosly, sure [/quote] No it wasn't. This is a flat out lie, i suggest you go back and replay the game, The machine was given to you by those who died before. every thing it did would of happend with or with out the Paper clip telling you what to do




Except Saren never trusted reapers one bit. He just was terrified, just like you  

Again a lack of comprhension of the story you were given, He Did trust the reapers, he belived they would  up hold ther epart of the bargain, that their  Tech wouldnt brain wash them.

further more iam not a fraid of them, if i was  afraid i would of gone for destory or  worse reject.


Nah, Shepard and everyone else didn't knew what Crucible does.

They Knew the Crucible would gather mass amounts of enegergy and direct it at the reapers, wha tthey didnt know is what the catalyst would do.


They supposed that it was device to stop the reapers.
Which it was.

And, as we all know, that was a giant battery, and functionality to use that battery was built-in into Citadel. And Citadel, surprise - was made by the reapers.

Was made by the reapers, but  much like allt he rest of there tech, it was advanced adapted and used aginst them, Should the Mass realys be distrusted on th epure fact the  Reapers built them, Should we throw away are guns and use sticks ont he off chance the reapers boobie traped those too?

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[Inanna Athanasia]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Did you believe Sovreign when he said he and his buddies were coming to Mess you up?

Did you believe Vigil when he said he was a prothean vi trying to help you

Did you believe Legion when he said the geth where not by default hostile

All these Ai's Could of lied to you, but you and shepard still take what they say at face value, let me tell you i have allot more of a reason to believe the catalyst at face value then you did Legion or Vigil

I llike this. Shep encounters so many friggin AI's and does indeed believe what they tell her/him. Another one is also that when Shep finds out EDI was the rogue VI Shep fights in the first ME, Shep still continues to trust EDI. Trusting her after Shep finds that out, I would find harder then Legion or one of the VI's. She has put her/his life and crews in EDI'd hands many time in the course of ME2 & ME3, so to find out that would of been a shock, yet Shep shrugs it off and continue's to trust EDI. Pretty much any time in the games Shep speaks to a AI s/he believes in what they tell Shep and then go from there.

[MerchantGOL]

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...


Shepard did not believed that there is no other choice,[quote] 

Not the question i Asked



Also, Shepard did believed in vision he got from the Prothean beacon, not Sovereign. The Beacon didnt tell you there was a legion of star ships coming for you, Sovreign did and you belived him


At first, Shepard did not, but it was clear that Vigil is not enemy. In comparison to Catalyst, who directly states, that he is.

Not really, The catalyst is neutral, he is not  out toget you, he is no diffrent from vergil in this


I never believed Legion at all. He is lying too much.
And also, there is differnce between believing Legion, and get evidence that Geth indeed not so hostile the other way.
Also, obviously(from other evidence in game), Geth never intended nor tried to obliterate every stellar civilization. In comparison to the reapers.


what evidence where you given,  every other geth in the game tried to kill you, you littealy go on legiosn word and his word alone.

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 02 octobre 2012 - 12:53 .

[MerchantGOL]

InannaAthanasia wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Did you believe Sovreign when he said he and his buddies were coming to Mess you up?

Did you believe Vigil when he said he was a prothean vi trying to help you

Did you believe Legion when he said the geth where not by default hostile

All these Ai's Could of lied to you, but you and shepard still take what they say at face value, let me tell you i have allot more of a reason to believe the catalyst at face value then you did Legion or Vigil

I llike this. Shep encounters so many friggin AI's and does indeed believe what they tell her/him. Another one is also that when Shep finds out EDI was the rogue VI Shep fights in the first ME, Shep still continues to trust EDI. Trusting her after Shep finds that out, I would find harder then Legion or one of the VI's. She has put her/his life and crews in EDI'd hands many time in the course of ME2 & ME3, so to find out that would of been a shock, yet Shep shrugs it off and continue's to trust EDI. Pretty much any time in the games Shep speaks to a AI s/he believes in what they tell Shep and then go from there.

further more it supports that AI's For the most part do not flat out lie, they are rulled by logic, if they don't want you to know some thing they will probly just refuse to awnser.

Legions decite in me3 is an excpetion not the rule, na exception brought on by his becoming more like an organic.

[Maxster_]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


Except that this "ability to fight" was given by the enemy the Shepard fought. It is entiriely not suspiciosly, sure

No it wasn't. This is a flat out lie, i suggest you go back and replay the game, The machine was given to you by those who died before. every thing it did would of happend with or with out the Paper clip telling you what to do

You just don't know ME lore.
You did agreed, that Crucible was designed by the Reapers.
Also, Crucible is doing nothing of the sort. It is just a giant battery. Designed by the reapers, to achieve their goal.
All functionality to use that battery was provided by enemy, the Catalyst.

The machine was given to you by those who died before.

This part of EAWare lore butchering, is obviously retarded and unscientific. Also, renders every civilization that was before current cycle(and current cycle also) as completely moronic clowns. So, they were planning a weapon to destroy the reapers, and created a battery with no functionality, to use with reaper made Citadel, which they are lost generations ago. Protheans for example, were butchered for more than 100 years, losing access to Citadel and mass relay network in the first day.

It is completely and utterly stupid. The whole level of retardation of that *censored* plot is astonishing.

Except Saren never trusted reapers one bit. He just was terrified, just like you  

Again a lack of comprhension of the story you were given, He Did trust the reapers, he belived they would  up hold ther epart of the bargain, that their  Tech wouldnt brain wash them.

further more iam not a fraid of them, if i was  afraid i would of gone for destory or  worse reject.

Yeah, exactly because he trusting reapers he was researching indoctrination and ways to fight it.
You really don't know what are you talking about.

Nah, Shepard and everyone else didn't knew what Crucible does.

They Knew the Crucible would gather mass amounts of enegergy and direct it at the reapers, wha tthey didnt know is what the catalyst would do.

No, they did not. That was just a theory.

They supposed that it was device to stop the reapers.
Which it was.

Yeah, it was a reaper designed device, to fulfill reaper goals.

And, as we all know, that was a giant battery, and functionality to use that battery was built-in into Citadel. And Citadel, surprise - was made by the reapers.

Was made by the reapers, but  much like allt he rest of there tech, it was advanced adapted and used aginst them, Should the Mass realys be distrusted on th epure fact the  Reapers built them, Should we throw away are guns and use sticks ont he off chance the reapers boobie traped those too?

Look how well that thought pattern ended for every previous civiliation.


- Oh, look, a giant space station! Yay!
- How convenient! Let's use it as place for our goverment, archives, and fleet bases! We will not even check and research structure of that station, it is OBVIOUS that it is completely safe!
...
SUDDENLY, reapers.
- Crap, who is got that brilliant idea to use Citadel as a center of goverment, archives and a fleet base? Mass relays is down, fleets crippled, archives occupied by the enemy, goverment and entire administration is dead!
- We all doomed!!!!

Modifié par Maxster_, 02 octobre 2012 - 01:18 .

[MerchantGOL]

Maxster_ wrote...


You did agreed, that Crucible was designed by the Reapers.

no i didn't

Also, Crucible is doing nothing of the sort. It is just a giant battery.
Try Actualy playing the game 


Designed by the reapers, to achieve their goal.
No it wasn't it is stated many times it isn't


This part of EAWare lore butchering, is obviously retarded and unscientific. Also, renders every civilization that was before current cycle(and current cycle also) as completely moronic clowns. So, they were planning a weapon to destroy the reapers, and created a battery with no functionality, to use with reaper made Citadel, which they are lost generations ago. Protheans for example, were butchered for more than 100 years, losing access to Citadel and mass relay network in the first day.

They probly planed to try and retake the citadel, or like the protheans meerely resigned themselves to helping the next cycle, rember the protheans thought shelters like Javiks would  keep them incharge


Yeah, exactly because he trusting reapers he was researching indoctrination and ways to fight it.
You really don't know what are you talking about.

was it complete trust no? but he trusted them enough to belive they wouldnt  screw him over in the here and now, hence why he belived his plan would work


Now, they did not. That was just a theory.

another lie from you, HAckett says  its meant to gether energy

Yeah, it was a reaper designed device, to fulfill reaper goals.
No it wasn't, i don't care what head cannon you have, but your lies are tiresome



Look how that ended well for every previous civiliation.
- Oh, look, a giant space station! Yay!
- How convinient! Let's use it as place for our goverment, archives, and fleet bases! We will not even check and research structure of that station, it is OBVIOUS that it is completely safe!

again play the game, they did reserch, the reapers were good at covering there tracks

[thearbiter1337]

Yate wrote...

Anyone who chooses Refusal is not playing to character.

So a full Paragon Shepard is going to fall into the demands of the enemys (Reapers,TIM,Saren)

and ****** on the Geth after he/she told them they were gonna live in peace when he/she can take the chances with the united galaxy.

[CaIIisto]

Well this certainly got....interesting, while I was away.

Some good arguments made for synthesis. Apologies for my previous flippant tone.

Personally, I just don't see my Shepard going with it tbh. For starters, I'd already sided with the Quarians on Rannoch, so there are no Geth by the time I get to the choice. You lose EDI, but weighed against affecting every other life in the galaxy, I traded her out. Sorry Six! Plus, in my playthrough, the focus has always been on defeating the Reapers. To that extent, seeing the damage that they've wrought, I wouldn't want to take the risk on still having them around, even if they are now seemingly docile.

I guess, in some ways, destroy is the safe option - organic life carries on as per before, once rebuilt. Synthetic life is gone, but can be created again at the very least. The relays can be repaired, and the Reaper threat is gone for good.

[Cobalt2113]

thearbiter1337 wrote...

Yate wrote...

Anyone who chooses Refusal is not playing to character.

So a full Paragon Shepard is going to fall into the demands of the enemys (Reapers,TIM,Saren)

and ****** on the Geth after he/she told them they were gonna live in peace when he/she can take the chances with the united galaxy.

The Geth still die in refusal. The only difference is, so does everyone else.

So yes, to answer your question. With the needs of the many outweighing those of the few, a paragon shepard would definitely not pick refusal. Y'know, the option that leads to everyone's death.

[Pain87]

No Choice is true to the Character Shepard
Destroy, Controll or Synthesis are fail, because you must trust the Overlord of the Reaper, who manipulated the Galaxy all times(we stillt have Examples from Sheps Cycle and Protheans) and at last it´s not you´re Choice, the Catalyst gives Shepard the four Ways.
Refuse is still same fail....in this choice you don´t TRUST the Catalyst, but a Shepard would never give up and let the Cycle end like this, now matter how wounded, damaged or depressed the Char is, he fight to the last and search for another Way to Stop the Reapers.
In ME1 it was Shepards Choice, let the Council die or not and it was his earning that the Arms of the Citadel would be opened.
In ME2 it was Shepards Choice, destroy the Base or give the Base to Cerberus, Shepard and his Team "conquered" the Station and it was their earning.
In ME3 the "Enemy" say what it has to happen, the 3 Choices or you´re End...and a Shepard who accept this for no reason

[MerchantGOL]

Pain87 wrote...

No Choice is true to the Character Shepard
Destroy, Controll or Synthesis are fail, because you must trust the Overlord of the Reaper, who manipulated the Galaxy all times(we stillt have Examples from Sheps Cycle and Protheans) and at last it´s not you´re Choice, the Catalyst gives Shepard the four Ways.
Refuse is still same fail....in this choice you don´t TRUST the Catalyst, but a Shepard would never give up and let the Cycle end like this, now matter how wounded, damaged or depressed the Char is, he fight to the last and search for another Way to Stop the Reapers.
In ME1 it was Shepards Choice, let the Council die or not and it was his earning that the Arms of the Citadel would be opened.
In ME2 it was Shepards Choice, destroy the Base or give the Base to Cerberus, Shepard and his Team "conquered" the Station and it was their earning.
In ME3 the "Enemy" say what it has to happen, the 3 Choices or you´re End...and a Shepard who accept this for no reason

Its not trust, you  don't need to trust  him, you jus tneed  to belive that the information he is giving you is true.

[Bill Casey]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Also, Crucible is doing nothing of the sort. It is just a giant battery.
Try Actualy playing the game

It's little more than a power source according to the Catalyst...
Not that the Catalyst is a reliable source of information...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 02 octobre 2012 - 02:36 .

[Maxster_]

I sense a butthurt in this one.

MerchantGOL wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


You did agreed, that Crucible was designed by the Reapers.

no i didn't

Also, Crucible is doing nothing of the sort. It is just a giant battery.
Try Actualy playing the game 

You agreed that Citadel was created by the reapers. That is enough.

"The device you refer to as the Crucible is little more than a power source. However, in combination with the Citadel and the relays it is capable of releasing tremendous amounts of energy throughout the galaxy" - Catalyst.

So, you obviously don't know what are talking about. All functionality was presented to Shepard by Catalyst. And that functionality was built into Citadel from the beginning.

Also, it is clear, that you have no knowledge about scientific method or engineering. Designing a weapon, which suddenly, in design process, became a giant battery, - to connect and interface with something, that you have no idea about --- it is completely retarded and uscientific. This alone(there is a lot more) is enough to consider ME3 not a sci-fi, and plot of ME3 - complete retarded clowns show.

So it is an obvious conjecture, that Crucible is a reaper designed device. And of course that conjecture is a lot more plausible, than retarded explanation that machine was given to you by those who died before . At least, that is obvious for those, who have any idea about scientific method, engineering, basic logic, and science in general.

Designed by the reapers, to achieve their goal.
No it wasn't it is stated many times it isn't


This part of EAWare lore butchering, is obviously retarded and unscientific. Also, renders every civilization that was before current cycle(and current cycle also) as completely moronic clowns. So, they were planning a weapon to destroy the reapers, and created a battery with no functionality, to use with reaper made Citadel, which they are lost generations ago. Protheans for example, were butchered for more than 100 years, losing access to Citadel and mass relay network in the first day.

They probly planed to try and retake the citadel, or like the protheans meerely resigned themselves to helping the next cycle, rember the protheans thought shelters like Javiks would  keep them incharge

Yeah, sure. Tell me, please, how exactly you design interface with a device you have no idea about. Also, they never seen the Citadel, they have no idea that supposedly weapon(battery, in reality) they were creating, need to interface with Citadel.

It is completely unscientific and retarded.

Yeah, exactly because he trusting reapers he was researching indoctrination and ways to fight it.
You really don't know what are you talking about.

was it complete trust no? but he trusted them enough to belive they wouldnt  screw him over in the here and now, hence why he belived his plan would work

He never trusted them, he just feared them to the extent, that surrendering and helping them would save at least some species from extinction.
It is not trust at all. It is a belief, born out of fear and supposedly absence of any choice.

Now, they did not. That was just a theory.

another lie from you, HAckett says  its meant to gether energy

Yeah, it was a reaper designed device, to fulfill reaper goals.
No it wasn't, i don't care what head cannon you have, but your lies are tiresome

I never told any lie in that topic. You just don't know ME lore. I'm staring to tire of your ignorance and arrogance.
Liara on Mars - "This is not a weapon, not yet, it's plans for a device a blueprint."
Liara and Hackett - "Preliminary evidence suggests that the data is a blueprint for a prothean device. A weapon, massive in size and scope, that's capable of unquantifiable levels of destruction."
Hackett, same place and time - ""Send me the data, we'll do our own analysis. If you're correct this may be the key to stopping the reapers."

It is plainly obvious that they have only theories.

Also, please provide proof of anyone certainly knowing about function of crucible. From game, video.
Not that they supposed that Crucible would do. Like supposedly gathering and storing energy to supposedly destroy the reapers.
Oh yes, you have none

So my point stands,
Nah, Shepard and everyone else didn't knew what Crucible does. They supposed that it was device to stop the reapers.

Look how that ended well for every previous civiliation.
- Oh, look, a giant space station! Yay!
- How convinient! Let's use it as place for our goverment, archives, and fleet bases! We will not even check and research structure of that station, it is OBVIOUS that it is completely safe!

again play the game, they did reserch, the reapers were good at covering there tracks

That was just an example, of how well using reaper technology against the reapers worked before. You are obviously incapable of grasping the simple concept of "humor".  Or just feeling increasing butthurt.

Modifié par Maxster_, 02 octobre 2012 - 02:47 .

[Pain87]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Pain87 wrote...

No Choice is true to the Character Shepard
Destroy, Controll or Synthesis are fail, because you must trust the Overlord of the Reaper, who manipulated the Galaxy all times(we stillt have Examples from Sheps Cycle and Protheans) and at last it´s not you´re Choice, the Catalyst gives Shepard the four Ways.
Refuse is still same fail....in this choice you don´t TRUST the Catalyst, but a Shepard would never give up and let the Cycle end like this, now matter how wounded, damaged or depressed the Char is, he fight to the last and search for another Way to Stop the Reapers.
In ME1 it was Shepards Choice, let the Council die or not and it was his earning that the Arms of the Citadel would be opened.
In ME2 it was Shepards Choice, destroy the Base or give the Base to Cerberus, Shepard and his Team "conquered" the Station and it was their earning.
In ME3 the "Enemy" say what it has to happen, the 3 Choices or you´re End...and a Shepard who accept this for no reason

Its not trust, you  don't need to trust  him, you jus tneed  to belive that the information he is giving you is true.

Trust or believe....both same Thing., you MUST believe, that the information is true, if you don´t believe..."So be it"

[Zooter]

My Shepard? Blow the reapers to hell

[Maxster_]

Pain87 wrote...

No Choice is true to the Character Shepard
Destroy, Controll or Synthesis are fail, because you must trust the Overlord of the Reaper, who manipulated the Galaxy all times(we stillt have Examples from Sheps Cycle and Protheans) and at last it´s not you´re Choice, the Catalyst gives Shepard the four Ways.
Refuse is still same fail....in this choice you don´t TRUST the Catalyst, but a Shepard would never give up and let the Cycle end like this, now matter how wounded, damaged or depressed the Char is, he fight to the last and search for another Way to Stop the Reapers.
In ME1 it was Shepards Choice, let the Council die or not and it was his earning that the Arms of the Citadel would be opened.
In ME2 it was Shepards Choice, destroy the Base or give the Base to Cerberus, Shepard and his Team "conquered" the Station and it was their earning.
In ME3 the "Enemy" say what it has to happen, the 3 Choices or you´re End...and a Shepard who accept this for no reason

Exactly this.

Actually, if you knew Shepard character and plot development from ME1 and ME2, then Reject is only true choice. But, because EAWare butchered their own lore, enforced retardation of the plot, and made iq of all characters, involved in main plot, temporarily or permanently negative - reject is a fail all the same.

Modifié par Maxster_, 02 octobre 2012 - 02:54 .