Cobalt2113 wrote...
Almost every single thing you just said is wrong, but I'll go through it anyway.
Sure, sure. All you have to do, is to prove me wrong. Which you can't do.
Maxster_ wrote...
You are saying, that Shepard and every civilization was defeated, and forced to surrender to Catalyst on his terms. And then you are unconditionally surrendering to his whim.
After that, being a obviously retarded entity, Catalyst just decided to offer you three ways to end reaper threat.
Surrender? No, we didn't surrender, we fought. We Fought all that way to the beam. And then, as comsky said, the fact that we, the first organic ever, made it that far forced it to re-evaluate its solution. I don't know what you're talking about when you call it retarded, as there's no evidence to back that up. That word can't even be applied to a computer.
I don't need some retarded explanation to differ heroic victory from unconditional surrender, thank you very much.
And then, as comsky said, the fact that we, the first organic ever, made it that far forced it to re-evaluate its solution.
That is utterly stupid. You are basically saying, that every other civilizations of previous and current cycles, never thoroughly examined the citadel, never researched the structure, never even flied around it. Because that same place where Shepard was surrendered to the Catalyst, is perfectly visible and accesible from space.
"You have hope. More than you think. The fact that you are standing here, the first organic ever, proves it. But it also proves, that my solution is won't work anymore." - Catalyst.
You still do not see retardation level of that nonsensical *censored*?
So, no one in countless cycles never noticed that exact place, with strange structures(crucible interface). No one ever examined the Citadel, researched it's structure and flied near to examine.
That is completely retarded. Every countless civilizations cleansed by reapers including current cycle, never even tried to examine a convenient alien artifact. Lol what?
That makes everyone in entire mass effect universe's history complete moron, with negative IQ.
- Oh, look, a giant space station! Yay!
- How convenient! Let's use
it as place for our goverment, archives, and fleet bases! We will not
even check examine and research structure of that station, it is OBVIOUS that it
is completely safe!
...
SUDDENLY, reapers.
...
- Crap, who got
that brilliant idea to use Citadel as a center of goverment, archives
and a fleet base? Mass relays is down, fleets crippled, archives
occupied by the enemy, goverment and entire administration is dead!
- We're all doomed!!!!I don't know what you're talking about when you call it retarded, as
there's no evidence to back that up. That word can't even be applied to a
computer.
You know that term "retarded" could be applied to alive and sentient being, do you?
You are basically saying, that AI are not alive, just computers.
And i'm calling catalyst retarded, because of circular logic.
Also, his creators(Leviathans) are retarded too.
- Let's make an AI to solve problem of AI rebelling against their creators? What could possibly go wrong?
- Sure, i'll start the preparations.
...Some time later...
- Damn! The AI we created, to solve problem of AI rebelling against it's creators, SUDDENLY rebelled against us, it's creators!
- How could that even happen?!
That's great of course. But being a completely retarded entity, Catalyst could decide the same at any time, not even in current cycle.
That means, that everything that Shepard did, every sacrifice he made - meant completely nothing, zero, void. "Victory" was made possible only by Catalyst, whatever Shepard(or every civilization before current cycle) did was completely irrelevant to the "victory".
No, it really doesn't mean that. Those sacrifices mean just as much if not more in the end. If it hadn't been for those people's sacrifices Shepard never would have made it to the catalyst and the galaxy would have been harvested as it is in refuse. So, those peoples sacrifices saved trillions of lives. I don't see how that can possibly be considered meaningless.
Nah, those sacrifices is completely irrelevant to the "victory".
Because if not for Massive Retardation Syndrome, the first organic ever, "standing here", would be the first research team from the first civilization from the first cycle, who were first to discover the Citadel after reapers finished it's construction.
And, by those research teams, that entire point would thoroughly searched, and catalyst would be immediately discovered.
Well, mere existence of the catalyst completely retconned ME1 into oblivion, anyways.
That EAWare crap have nothing to do with ME1 and ME2 heroic saga.
Yeah, sure, for some submission is certainly preferable to extinction.
You're really just looking at it the wrong way. I never submitted to it. It offered my Shepard a chance to change the status quo. And then I destroyed it. You can't submit to something that you've just destroyed can you?
Personally I'd say refusal is a lot closer to submission. The catalyst gets to keep doing exactly what it wants. Harvesting advanced species.
ME3 completely changes series direction. From "I rather die than live like this" we came to "Submission is preferable to the extinction".
It is not a part of a heroic saga, that was ME1 and ME2.
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