Someone With Mass wrote...
Except that they can be compared since they're both weapons of mass destruction, they were both made in a desperate act to stop a devastating war and the makers of both weren't sure about the potential side effects.
Someone With Mass wrote...
There. I just made a comparison. What, isn't the comparison legit just because you say so or something?
Details would not make a differance.Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Except that they can be compared since they're both weapons of mass destruction, they were both made in a desperate act to stop a devastating war and the makers of both weren't sure about the potential side effects.
I need detail.
dreman9999 wrote...
Details would not make a differance.
In what way? It would make no differnce to the events of the plot. Why they made it is understandable. How they made it won't change what you have to do and how. Who they are makes not change tothe events on hand.Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Details would not make a differance.
They do, they add Coherence, understanding and quality to the narrative.
Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Except that they can be compared since they're both weapons of mass destruction, they were both made in a desperate act to stop a devastating war and the makers of both weren't sure about the potential side effects.
I need detail.
Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Details would not make a differance.
They do, they add Coherence, understanding and quality to the narrative.
Someone With Mass wrote...
You have both details and context. While they're not explaining the Crucible's full potential or design in high detail, they're still there.
It more of a cause you don't think in depth about it.TheJediSaint wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Details would not make a differance.
They do, they add Coherence, understanding and quality to the narrative.
Actually, the more we learn about the Crucible, the LESS sense it makes.
TheJediSaint wrote...
Actually, the more we learn about the Crucible, the LESS sense it makes.
Your issue is on how it works, how synthesis works and just that.Fixers0 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
You have both details and context. While they're not explaining the Crucible's full potential or design in high detail, they're still there.
I have no details and zero context, Really event just happen, with limitless questions coming up in my mind at almost every plot point the crucible is involed in as a result the crucible appears as a poorly presented and nonsensical plot device, which in the end, is what it is.
dreman9999 wrote...
It more of a cause you don't think in depth about it.TheJediSaint wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Details would not make a differance.
They do, they add Coherence, understanding and quality to the narrative.
Actually, the more we learn about the Crucible, the LESS sense it makes.
Control is a mass rewrite, and Destroy effects all tech and makes all Ai brain dead.
Modifié par TheJediSaint, 02 octobre 2012 - 05:52 .
Reorte wrote...
My problem with the Crucible is that I find it far too far-fetched that one single thing can suddenly stop all the Reapers everywhere, in one single event. I can cope with the idea of something that comes down through all the past cycles but not that it's an instant win button.
Also IMO ME2 should've been about piecing all the information about it together and ME3 about using it but that's arguably a different issue.
You missing the fact that only the catalyst know how synthesis owrks. It is the reason why synthesis works. Added, nothing is shown to state synthesis dod not effect reapers as well.TheJediSaint wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
It more of a cause you don't think in depth about it.TheJediSaint wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Details would not make a differance.
They do, they add Coherence, understanding and quality to the narrative.
Actually, the more we learn about the Crucible, the LESS sense it makes.
Control is a mass rewrite, and Destroy effects all tech and makes all Ai brain dead.
The Crucible is capable of such nuance that it can alter all life in the galaxy (sythetic and organic) at the molecular level without apparent harm beyond adding a green glow. Yet is in capable of discrimnating between Reaper and non-Reaper sythetics. That is one of the main issues I have with the Crucible.
Someone With Mass wrote...
I admit that the Crucible is a pretty lazy big, red button of salvation. In fact, I don't really want explanations for it, since then it'd just feel like more time and effort was wasted on a pretty basic plot device than what was spent on the overall story.
Modifié par Fixers0, 02 octobre 2012 - 05:56 .
TheJediSaint wrote...
The Crucible is capable of such nuance that it can alter all life in the galaxy (sythetic and organic) at the molecular level without apparent harm beyond adding a green glow. Yet is not capable of discrimnating between Reaper and non-Reaper sythetics. That is one of the main issues I have with the Crucible.
dreman9999 wrote...
*Snipped for Freedom!*
The original action of the crucible is to destroy or controlthe reapers. Synthesis is added by the catalyst.
Modifié par TheJediSaint, 02 octobre 2012 - 06:04 .
It's not explained at all. OK, it's the Crucible + Citadel combination, that doesn't change my point at all. And it's one single action, hey presto all Reapers dead, controlled, or synthesised. The only way you can claim not "suddenly" is simply because it takes time for the beam to propagate through the relay network but it's still single action, war over. Single action that does heavy damage to nearby Reapers, Reapers realise that they're screwed, surrender to preserve themselves, war over could've worked. And made a much more interesting Control / Destroy choice (Synthesis just can't be made to work at all). Do you accept their surrender and put them to work cleaning up the damage, but they're still around and who's to say that they won't start again, having worked out a defence? Or push on the war which will eventually defeat the Reapers but they'll take down a lot of people with them. That would've made an interesting hard choice.dreman9999 wrote...
Reorte wrote...
My problem with the Crucible is that I find it far too far-fetched that one single thing can suddenly stop all the Reapers everywhere, in one single event. I can cope with the idea of something that comes down through all the past cycles but not that it's an instant win button.
Also IMO ME2 should've been about piecing all the information about it together and ME3 about using it but that's arguably a different issue.
It explained how. It does not sudenly do that. We are give a clear explination to how by the prothean VI.
The citadel is the bow. The crucible is the arrows.
1. It was. that was the reaper solution. The crucible added a new way to do synthesis with out changing the form of oranics and synthetics.TheJediSaint wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
*Snipped for Freedom!*
The original action of the crucible is to destroy or controlthe reapers. Synthesis is added by the catalyst.
If the Catalyst knew how to make Sythesis work, then why didn't it do that in the first place rather than choose millions of years of cyclical genocide?
How? Confused. I don't know.BladyMZ wrote...
What now? How is going to hold those "Control-Energy-Sockets"? Thats just racist, every race should have the option to take control of eternal god-like species and brainwash them!
That explaine how it hit eveny reaper at once. It uses themass realy net work. Destroy is like an emp pulse that makes Ai's brain dead.Reorte wrote...
It's not explained at all. OK, it's the Crucible + Citadel combination, that doesn't change my point at all. And it's one single action, hey presto all Reapers dead, controlled, or synthesised. The only way you can claim not "suddenly" is simply because it takes time for the beam to propagate through the relay network but it's still single action, war over. Single action that does heavy damage to nearby Reapers, Reapers realise that they're screwed, surrender to preserve themselves, war over could've worked. And made a much more interesting Control / Destroy choice (Synthesis just can't be made to work at all). Do you accept their surrender and put them to work cleaning up the damage, but they're still around and who's to say that they won't start again, having worked out a defence? Or push on the war which will eventually defeat the Reapers but they'll take down a lot of people with them. That would've made an interesting hard choice.dreman9999 wrote...
Reorte wrote...
My problem with the Crucible is that I find it far too far-fetched that one single thing can suddenly stop all the Reapers everywhere, in one single event. I can cope with the idea of something that comes down through all the past cycles but not that it's an instant win button.
Also IMO ME2 should've been about piecing all the information about it together and ME3 about using it but that's arguably a different issue.
It explained how. It does not sudenly do that. We are give a clear explination to how by the prothean VI.
The citadel is the bow. The crucible is the arrows.
dreman9999 wrote...
1. It was. that was the reaper solution. The crucible added a new way to do synthesis with out changing the form of oranics and synthetics.TheJediSaint wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
*Snipped for Freedom!*
The original action of the crucible is to destroy or controlthe reapers. Synthesis is added by the catalyst.
If the Catalyst knew how to make Sythesis work, then why didn't it do that in the first place rather than choose millions of years of cyclical genocide?
2.Why do you think it ask you to jump into the beam?
BladyMZ wrote...
Here is a thought - let's say for countless of cycles different species added things to Crucible project. After all those years it finally happened, the Citadel is docked.
Sadly, it is badly damaged because of low EMS numbers (yes, Catalyst always checks his math), and only option is Control, because Commander Shepard chose to save Collector base months earlier. However, in this Cycle Commander Shepard is not human, he is Elcor.
What now? How is going to hold those "Control-Energy-Sockets"? Thats just racist, every race should have the option to take control of eternal god-like species and brainwash them!
Fight for Elcor-Control-Terminal.
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