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[KainD]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Inprea wrote...

What would people like the protagonist of DA3 to start as?

Blood mage revolutionary.

^

Hopefully by the end of the game I will be able to eradicate the templar order once and for all, and the seekers.. and the chantry if they are going to have a problem with that.

[AntiChri5]

Personally, i am sick of useless nobodies with no training or experience becoming the greatest warrior/mage/rouge in a few weeks or months. Happens so damn often in RPG's. When was the last time you saw someone become the greatest expert in their field within a year? Whatever we start as, it has to be plausible that we defeat veterans with training and experience.

Look at the Origins in Origins.

(been a while since i played them, so memory may be fuzzy)

Human Noble: A lot of time with some of the most capable trainers money can buy in a land that has recently been at war.

Dalish Elf: Best hunter in the clan, years of training and experience.

City Elf: Trained by your mother for years.

Mage: Whole life has been training.

Dwarf Noble: Best trainers money can buy for a damn long time.

Dwarf Commomer: Best enforcer of a criminal empire in a place that does not **** around. Fighting for survival since early childhood.

And in DA2:

Trained for years by Malcolm, spends many years in Kirkwall honing skills.

In all cases, it is believable that the character would have their stated level of proficiency over the course of the story.

[augustburnt]

 I think this thread has made it painfully obvious that players like diffrent beginings, just like origins had

[upsettingshorts]

augustburnt wrote...

 I think this thread has made it painfully obvious that players like diffrent beginings, just like origins had

Or a blank slate beginning.

[MrApollon]

I like the most "common" fantasy start. As in you start as a nobody. Farmers son, a street child. Or a random soldier caught up in greater events. You know what I'm aiming for. I like the classics. In mye eyes that leaves you character in a position where we can se him/you grow. So commononer works for me.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I won't be happy unless I ride into Orlais on a sickly yellowish horse and my father's old sword to join the Queen's guard.

If I could accidently run into members of that guard, (at least three of them) and challenge them to duels in the process, that would be even better. Of course the duels should be interrupted by the arrival of the Templars.

D'ARTANGNAN!

EDIT - To add something useful. I think, since the game is revolving around, at least on the surface, around the conflict between the templars and the mages, origin options should involve choosing how your character was affected, which can determine initial interactions with factions and characters, but of course it would be easy to change those reactions quite early on. 

Example:  A) Some variation on templers killed or conscripted your family, some variation on mages killed your family, or C) mages and templers destroyed your village in a battle

These seem simple and banal, but I am just using examples. You could add things that are less  centered on the mage/templer war, former city guard driven out by the war, traveling merchant or merchant family destroyed or had its goods siezed in the civil or mage/templer wars. Of course there are variations on this - Templars, in desperation, conscripted your sibling. She/He was killed by a group of revolutionists. This provides quite a bit of variable reaction on the player's part. You can hate the templers. understand their desperation but still disagree, hate the mages for either making conscription necessary or for killing your sibling, sympathize with the mages for being as much victums as your sibling, or just generally hate everyone. 

Then of course you are recruited for the inquisition, because, you know, nobody expects them.

Modifié par Rylor Tormtor, 03 octobre 2012 - 01:50 .

[iheartbob]

As much as we all love origins, I'm guessing that having an entire prologue devoted to six different origins is not in the budget/plan. I think it's very possible for (most) everyone to get what they want though if they go the Mass Effect route.

Give us three-six potential backgrounds similar to Shepard's "career" background. You could choose to be a commonor with little training or a quasi-veteran of sorts. A former circle mage or an apostate from birth. You get the picture.

Hopefully we will get multiple playable races as well which would also have an effect on the backgrounds. I'm perfectly fine with a simple textual explanation of the backgrounds.

[KainD]

I remember my NWN2 ladder:
Harborman=>Kallah-cha=>Thief of amn=>Squire=>Knight=>Knight captain/Neverwinter nine=>Spirit Eater=>God. xD

And I have to say

[zevranarainais]

I wouldn't mind a background selection like Mass Effect, either. As long as it would somehow affect gameplay... a quest or two, the way people respond to you, some dialogue choices (like in DAO). I don't mind not being able to play through it if my choice somehow affects the gameplay, you know?

Ah, well. Wishful thinking. In any case, I prefer to be a near-nobody, too.

[Nomen Mendax]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

One trained mage can do that.  An untrained mage is as much a danger to himself as to others.  Let us start as that.

In fact, I would support BioWare making a DA game where we weren't allowed to be mages at all if it meant that a subsequent game would revolve around a mage PC starting in childhood.

I like this idea, it would be fun to have abilities that sometimes fizzled, or did unexpected things, or got out of control and burned down villages, and leveling up could make your abilities more reliable.  It would also stress the fact that untrained mages are dangerous and unreliable which we keep getting told but never really see.

[daffl5]

Origins!

[Anarya]

I'd be happy with something similar to how Shepard started out in ME1 (or the Orlesian Warden in Awakening). You're not a starving peasant or a total neophyte. You're pretty good at what you do but you're not really noteworthy until you're thrown into the events of the game. It'd be nice to have the choice of backgrounds too, or to learn more about your background through dialogue. Say if someone asks you about yourself and you're given a few options for how to answer.

Your parents can totally be alive too, for a change.

Modifié par Anarya, 03 octobre 2012 - 03:02 .

[CELL55]

Origins would be best, IMO. But if that couldn't happen, I would prefer a fixed origin over a blank one.

This is one of the reasons that I liked Fallout 3 over New Vegas. In 3, my character had a dad and a home, and it really made me feel connected to the world. Contrast this to New Vegas, where it felt to me like the character could have been an emotionless robot from space with the platinum chip taped to his chest and the narrative wouldn't have changed at all.

I like having my backstory come up from time to time, seeing it, and actually knowing that the game knows that I have it and is thus capable of responding to it. Just my two cents.

[deuce985]

iheartbob wrote...

As much as we all love origins, I'm guessing that having an entire prologue devoted to six different origins is not in the budget/plan. I think it's very possible for (most) everyone to get what they want though if they go the Mass Effect route.

Give us three-six potential backgrounds similar to Shepard's "career" background. You could choose to be a commonor with little training or a quasi-veteran of sorts. A former circle mage or an apostate from birth. You get the picture.

Hopefully we will get multiple playable races as well which would also have an effect on the backgrounds. I'm perfectly fine with a simple textual explanation of the backgrounds.

That wouldn't be bad. Then it would be reflected in dialogue as people talk to you.

I'm really hoping we don't end up leading this Inquisition and it's exactly like the old one. I really don't want to be forced to affiliate with the Chantry.

Modifié par deuce985, 03 octobre 2012 - 03:17 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

augustburnt wrote...

 I think this thread has made it painfully obvious that players like diffrent beginings, just like origins had

Or a blank slate beginning.

In the top 5 things want for DA3 thread, almost noone (if anyone at all) is asking for a blank slate beginning, what a vast amount are asking for there is origins back. Race selection and even those few who do not want to go as far as race selection said wanted character history choices like ME had instead which are not blank slate, they are a variety of player chosen but pre-determined roles, back stories or histories. I have never seen many if any ask for blank slate characters.

I can only assume you use the term blank slate in a different way to me. Unless Bioware is planning to go the Fallout 3 route which has the player starting out as a actual blank slate character aka a baby and at points in time make choices at baby then teenager then young adult then adult etc which I am pretty sure they are not doing. If they go the Fallout 3 baby to adult route for character creation I would be very shocked.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 octobre 2012 - 04:03 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

I've asked for a blank slate. When they announced the origins in DAO, I complained that they would restrict character design beyond what black slate would.

BioWare has previously offered a blank slate in NWN and KotOR, and an effectively blank slate in BG and JE.

[Dragoonlordz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

I've asked for a blank slate. When they announced the origins in DAO, I complained that they would restrict character design beyond what black slate would.

BioWare has previously offered a blank slate in NWN and KotOR, and an effectively blank slate in BG and JE.

They haven't offered one in DA or ME. It would be strange for them to start doing them again at this stage. You may have had concerns about Origins but I am guessing it did not ruin the experience for you having them. At this stage Origins is a more desired and vastly more popular idea than any blank slate format in this franchise. I like blank state ones too if done right as referenced when I mentioned Fallout 3 but in this game or franchise I prefer Origins myself though nothing wrong at all in having different preferences. So as I said almost noone is asking for them now that I have witnessed here both in this thread and on this section of the site. Seems most people want Origins or back story character choices which is all I said earlier.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 03 octobre 2012 - 06:10 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Why would it be strange? They've added features they've never used before - why would adding in a feature they have used before be more strange? I would argue that the plot structure in DA2 was something they hadn't used since BG1. The open exploration in ME1 was another feature they hadn't offered singe BG1. They bring back old features all of the time. DAO was the first game since BG2 to offer full-party tactical control.

Should they use origins, however, I would suggest that one of the available origins should always be a mysterious stranger, so as to offer any player who wants it a blank slate background.

In fact, a mysterious stranger origin was planned for part of DAO's development. It was cut.

[Meltemph]

Blank slate characters, I would think would work perfectly fine in jsut about any of the BW games that have been released, since honestly, they didnt really play much of a huge role in the games. I mean, most of the family stuff could have easily been replaced, imo, w/o much of a loss(outside of DA2). The "mysterious stranger" character, would actually probably be the best way to allow atleast 1 path to be more then a specific race type.

[wright1978]

Wulfram wrote...

I don't mind.

Though if we're going to become some sort of big cheese in this Inquisition thing, it might make sense to start out with a bit more experience and prestige than is common in RPGs. Like Shepard does.

Yep a character with some status already rather than the nobody rising to greatness seems to make sense considering what little we know of the role we will be taking as the protaganist. If that is the case i hope there are a variety of different background histories for him/her.

[Felya87]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Any greatness exhibited by the PC should be my doing, and not handed to me to start the game.

I personally prefer this as well.  Though it does get a little complicated with a mage PC, since at least in the lore, one mage can kick the ass of a lot of people, even as a rookie.

It's fun watching a character grow and evolve and discover his/her own strength.  

I'm with you both.

Starting from the base of the story made a better attacment to the character we are going to play, and is much more fun!
Shep was ok, but in a way, it was a pre-made character, not so much as Hawke, but almost.

And I hate the "perfect" character, with no qualms or defect. Is boring and little realistic.

But I would like to choose from different origin, from the last Elfic relic of the society, to the noble Dwarf or Human. but I want to plasm, build my character.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

I think at the start you will be Inquisitor coming to Val Royeaux, to be briefed on another mission(probably hunting Hawke) when SOMETHING happens.

[ManOfSteel]

Anarya wrote...

I'd be happy with something similar to how Shepard started out in ME1 (or the Orlesian Warden in Awakening). You're not a starving peasant or a total neophyte. You're pretty good at what you do but you're not really noteworthy until you're thrown into the events of the game. It'd be nice to have the choice of backgrounds too, or to learn more about your background through dialogue. Say if someone asks you about yourself and you're given a few options for how to answer.

Your parents can totally be alive too, for a change.

I'm with Anarya. I'd be very happy to start out like Shepard or the Orlesian Warden. Someone with experience but not of note until the events of the game.

[fchopin]

I want to play a mage herding sheep in the mountains, learned mage techniques by reading a book left many years ago to my father by a passing mage from the old school. I know how to use magic as i have to protect my animals from nature.

My philosophy is simple, i bother no person unless i am attacked, and no templar or circle mage will bother me unless I permit it.

Mage start....

[Parmida]

For human I'd like to start out as a Prince/Princess or a noble or a noble's son or daughter.
For elf I'd like to start as a keepers child or a keeper or a noble's.... favorite slave...
For dwarf I'd like Origins options.
And if we can be a kossith then I'd like to start out as a badass mercenary.
But if we're gonna have only one beginning the I'd like to be involved with nobility and such (being a noble or having a major power or...etc) simply because I like playing as a noble so much, and I loved human noble in origins.