343 réponses à ce sujet

[Drewton]

LucasShark wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Gruntburner wrote...

Darn, I could have sworn I saw hundreds of reaper ships that looked like Sovereign appear in dark space at the end of ME2. But that can't be true, because if it were that would mean that there would be an entire fleet of ships that could essentially tear through most fleets single handed.

Yup, the extinction of the Prothen empire wasn't accomplised via galatic conquest, it was achieved by Reapers wearing Prothean clothes and blending into Porthean society. 

They'd put poison in the Prothean leaders tea. Subterfuge!!!

Are you being intensionally stupid?

You spelled intentionally wrong

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

[Steve The Seal]

dreman9999 wrote...

Their tactic change because there oldtactic stop working because of Shepard. From ME1 we well know the reaper can us force if they need to.

It was always going to end with massive reapers invading. You were told this by harbinger and Sovergin.

As if that was the only thing they are capable of doing. If they wanted to use their old tactic they simply had to focus all they force to take the citadel, which apparently is allowed to stay out of the war for the entire game... Infiltration via indoctrination is still a highly viable and effective strategy, but apparently it was only used on the batarians, which was their own fault for keeping a derelict reaper

[Maxster_]

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

[dreman9999]

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Their tactic change because there oldtactic stop working because of Shepard. From ME1 we well know the reaper can us force if they need to.

It was always going to end with massive reapers invading. You were told this by harbinger and Sovergin.

As if that was the only thing they are capable of doing. If they wanted to use their old tactic they simply had to focus all they force to take the citadel, which apparently is allowed to stay out of the war for the entire game... Infiltration via indoctrination is still a highly viable and effective strategy, but apparently it was only used on the batarians, which was their own fault for keeping a derelict reaper

The problem with trying the take the citadel by force, means they have a problem of damaging the citadel or the races holding it damaging it. The only reason the reaper took  it because  most of the ships protecting it was preping for the final battle.

[Steve The Seal]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Their tactic change because there oldtactic stop working because of Shepard. From ME1 we well know the reaper can us force if they need to.

It was always going to end with massive reapers invading. You were told this by harbinger and Sovergin.

As if that was the only thing they are capable of doing. If they wanted to use their old tactic they simply had to focus all they force to take the citadel, which apparently is allowed to stay out of the war for the entire game... Infiltration via indoctrination is still a highly viable and effective strategy, but apparently it was only used on the batarians, which was their own fault for keeping a derelict reaper

The problem with trying the take the citadel by force, means they have a problem of damaging the citadel or the races holding it damaging it. The only reason the reaper took  it because  most of the ships protecting it was preping for the final battle.

But apparently they actually suceed in taking it with force and moving it to earth without it taking no damage what so ever. Sorry, but your argument is useless and assuming they weren't protecting the citadel more then they did before the final battle prep, is just that... assumptions... Why shouldn't they protect the last safe place for refugees?

Modifié par Steve The Seal, 04 octobre 2012 - 11:04 .

[Maxster_]

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.

[dreman9999]

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Their tactic change because there oldtactic stop working because of Shepard. From ME1 we well know the reaper can us force if they need to.

It was always going to end with massive reapers invading. You were told this by harbinger and Sovergin.

As if that was the only thing they are capable of doing. If they wanted to use their old tactic they simply had to focus all they force to take the citadel, which apparently is allowed to stay out of the war for the entire game... Infiltration via indoctrination is still a highly viable and effective strategy, but apparently it was only used on the batarians, which was their own fault for keeping a derelict reaper

The problem with trying the take the citadel by force, means they have a problem of damaging the citadel or the races holding it damaging it. The only reason the reaper took  it because  most of the ships protecting it was preping for the final battle.

But apparently they actually suceed in taking it with force and moving it to earth without it taking no damage what so ever. Sorry, but your argument is useless

As I said before.."The only reason the reaper took  it because  most of the ships protecting it was preping for the final battle."

[Steve The Seal]

dreman9999 wrote...
As I said before.."The only reason the reaper took  it because  most of the ships protecting it was preping for the final battle."

 

Read my post again... I edited a bit

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.

1.Replay the ending agian...Did you see any explotion that large off of any of the harbinger blast?
Added, reaper weapons a lazer weapon. The majority of it's damage is concentrated burning

2.The blast ws shot down it blast chamber. They were not direct hits on it stronger point, just on a hard to hit weak point.

[dreman9999]

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Their tactic change because there oldtactic stop working because of Shepard. From ME1 we well know the reaper can us force if they need to.

It was always going to end with massive reapers invading. You were told this by harbinger and Sovergin.

As if that was the only thing they are capable of doing. If they wanted to use their old tactic they simply had to focus all they force to take the citadel, which apparently is allowed to stay out of the war for the entire game... Infiltration via indoctrination is still a highly viable and effective strategy, but apparently it was only used on the batarians, which was their own fault for keeping a derelict reaper

The problem with trying the take the citadel by force, means they have a problem of damaging the citadel or the races holding it damaging it. The only reason the reaper took  it because  most of the ships protecting it was preping for the final battle.

 Sorry, but your argument is useless and assuming they weren't protecting the citadel more then they did before the final battle prep, is just that... assumptions... Why shouldn't they protect the last safe place for refugees?

"Why shouldn't they protect the last safe place for refugees?"

Because it would be pointless if the final battle failed and the war did not hinge(at that moment)on holding th citadel.

[Steve The Seal]

dreman9999 wrote...

"Why shouldn't they protect the last safe place for refugees?"

Because it would be pointless if the final battle failed and the war did not hinge(at that moment)on holding th citadel.

Well of course, to hell with those people... Just leave the civillians to die.. They're useless anyway.. Nobody cares... Of course any sane individual would be cold and calculative...

But then again you are assuming that the whole armada of all galactic civilisations are protecting the citadel... Which they probably aren't... It probably is more then enough with 3-4 sovereign type reapers, especially if they stuck to old tactics (sneakiness) and attacked for example palavan, simply to draw forces away from the citadel due to panic, paranoia and fear of who is the next civilisation to get attacked...

Or even infiltrate it with indoctrinated people, it isn't that hard for them. The sky's the limit

Modifié par Steve The Seal, 04 octobre 2012 - 11:21 .

[dreman9999]

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

"Why shouldn't they protect the last safe place for refugees?"

Because it would be pointless if the final battle failed and the war did not hinge(at that moment)on holding th citadel.

Well of course, to hell with those people... Just leave the civillians to die.. They're useless anyway.. Nobody cares... Of course any sane individual would be cold and calculative...

But then again you are assuming that the whole armada of all galactic civilisations are protecting the citadel... Which they probably aren't... It probably is more then enough with 3-4 sovereign type reapers, especially if they stuck to old tactics (sneakiness) and attacked for example palavan, simply to draw forces away from the citadel due to panic, paranoia and fear of who is the next civilisation to get attacked...

Or even infiltrate it with indoctrinated people, it isn't that hard for them. The sky's the limit

This is a final assult. If it fails , what would be the point of protecting these people. We would not beable to fight back.
It a go big or go home moment.

2. And no I don't thing the whole armada is protecting the citadel. The citadel has it's own seperate armada from everyone else.

3.From the Kasumi mission form ME3, it clear the citadel is watching for indoctrinated agents.

[Steve The Seal]

dreman9999 wrote...

Steve The Seal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

"Why shouldn't they protect the last safe place for refugees?"

Because it would be pointless if the final battle failed and the war did not hinge(at that moment)on holding th citadel.

Well of course, to hell with those people... Just leave the civillians to die.. They're useless anyway.. Nobody cares... Of course any sane individual would be cold and calculative...

But then again you are assuming that the whole armada of all galactic civilisations are protecting the citadel... Which they probably aren't... It probably is more then enough with 3-4 sovereign type reapers, especially if they stuck to old tactics (sneakiness) and attacked for example palavan, simply to draw forces away from the citadel due to panic, paranoia and fear of who is the next civilisation to get attacked...

Or even infiltrate it with indoctrinated people, it isn't that hard for them. The sky's the limit

This is a final assult. If it fails , what would be the point of protecting these people. We would not beable to fight back.
It a go big or go home moment.

2. And no I don't thing the whole armada is protecting the citadel. The citadel has it's own seperate armada from everyone else.

3.From the Kasumi mission form ME3, it clear the citadel is watching for indoctrinated agents.

That mission? They only gained that knowlegde from an old alliance mission, where the alliance had gained suspicion due to these hanars being in contact with old Reaper tech... How should they be able to detect whether some of the refugees had been indoctrinated...
And apparently Cerberus managed infiltrating the citadel with ease... They were all indoctrinated and could easely have been used to deactivate the citadels defenses...

[Maxster_]

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.

1.Replay the ending agian...Did you see any explotion that large off of any of the harbinger blast?
Added, reaper weapons a lazer weapon. The majority of it's damage is concentrated burning

I love that kind of circular logic. And complete ignorance of ME Lore.

M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game, that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M: Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?!

Comrade, you sound just like catalyst. And you know, how i am describing catalyst.

As for lore

read this

A dreadnought's power lies in the length of its main gun. Dreadnoughts range from 800 meters to one kilometer long, with a main gun of commensurate length. An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one 20 kg. slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of 38 kilotons1 of TNT, three times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.

When used to bombard planets, some of this kinetic energy is lost due to atmospheric re-entry friction. As a rule of thumb, each Earth-atmosphere of air pressure saps approximately 20% of a projectile's impact energy.

The turian fleet presently has 37 dreadnoughts; the asari, 21; and the salarians, 16. Humanity has six with an additional hull under construction at Arcturus Station. Alliance battleships are named for the mountains of Earth

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.


And watch this(i love that one).

2.The blast ws shot down it blast chamber. They were not direct hits on it stronger point, just on a hard to hit weak point.

It is irrelevant. Fact is, that shooting was from 3-4 frigates or a cruiser maximum.

Modifié par Maxster_, 04 octobre 2012 - 11:37 .

[Revthejedi]

dreman9999 wrote...

Revthejedi wrote...

Some of you do not have a firm grasp on what it means to be "conventional". In the context of ME3, conventional is any and everything not including a DEM. Furthermore, I never figured we could beat the Reapers through military might or tactics, but the way the crucible, catalyst and reapers are implemented is just ****** poor. Taken as a whole,the Reapers spend a majority of the series doing random stuff.

The reaper spent the series trying to fight indirctly because they did not want to kill many organics. Shepard stopped all ther plans. So they had to fight directly.

Add, there is nothing in ME that can stop the reaper is a stright of indirect fight.

How the reaper are persented through out ME3 is exactly what Sovergin told you they would be form ME1.

Didn't want to kill organics? Really?

The Reapers are not very consistent throughout the series, it makes sense considering there was not much continuity with the writers.

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.

1.Replay the ending agian...Did you see any explotion that large off of any of the harbinger blast?
Added, reaper weapons a lazer weapon. The majority of it's damage is concentrated burning

I love that kind of circular logic. And complete ignorance of ME Lore.

M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game, that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M: Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?!

Comrade, you sound just like catalyst. And you know, how i am describing catalyst.

As for lore

read this

A dreadnought's power lies in the length of its main gun. Dreadnoughts range from 800 meters to one kilometer long, with a main gun of commensurate length. An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one 20 kg. slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of 38 kilotons1 of TNT, three times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.

When used to bombard planets, some of this kinetic energy is lost due to atmospheric re-entry friction. As a rule of thumb, each Earth-atmosphere of air pressure saps approximately 20% of a projectile's impact energy.

The turian fleet presently has 37 dreadnoughts; the asari, 21; and the salarians, 16. Humanity has six with an additional hull under construction at Arcturus Station. Alliance battleships are named for the mountains of Earth

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.


And watch this(i love that one).

2.The blast ws shot down it blast chamber. They were not direct hits on it stronger point, just on a hard to hit weak point.

It is irrelevant. Fact is, that shooting was from 3-4 frigates or a cruiser maximum.

1. Reapar don't use drednought canons or shells.They use lazer blast.

2.Reapers use lazer blast. They don't use mass assilerated ammunition.

To get it home....

Modifié par dreman9999, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:31 .

[dreman9999]

Revthejedi wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Revthejedi wrote...

Some of you do not have a firm grasp on what it means to be "conventional". In the context of ME3, conventional is any and everything not including a DEM. Furthermore, I never figured we could beat the Reapers through military might or tactics, but the way the crucible, catalyst and reapers are implemented is just ****** poor. Taken as a whole,the Reapers spend a majority of the series doing random stuff.

The reaper spent the series trying to fight indirctly because they did not want to kill many organics. Shepard stopped all ther plans. So they had to fight directly.

Add, there is nothing in ME that can stop the reaper is a stright of indirect fight.

How the reaper are persented through out ME3 is exactly what Sovergin told you they would be form ME1.

Didn't want to kill organics? Really?

The Reapers are not very consistent throughout the series, it makes sense considering there was not much continuity with the writers.

When have the reapers stated their goal is to kill organics.

We known there goal is not to kill us form ME2.

[Maxster_]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>[/quote]
I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

[/quote]Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.
[/quote]
Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

[/quote]1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

[/quote]
And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.
[/quote]
1.Replay the ending agian...Did you see any explotion that large off of any of the harbinger blast?
Added, reaper weapons a lazer weapon. The majority of it's damage is concentrated burning
[/quote]
I love that kind of circular logic. And complete ignorance of ME Lore.

[quote]M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game, that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M: Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?!
[/quote]

Comrade, you sound just like catalyst. And you know, how i am describing catalyst.

As for lore

read this

A dreadnought's power lies in the length of its main gun. Dreadnoughts range from 800 meters to one kilometer long, with a main gun of commensurate length. An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one 20 kg. slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of 38 kilotons1 of TNT, three times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.

When used to bombard planets, some of this kinetic energy is lost due to atmospheric re-entry friction. As a rule of thumb, each Earth-atmosphere of air pressure saps approximately 20% of a projectile's impact energy.

The turian fleet presently has 37 dreadnoughts; the asari, 21; and the salarians, 16. Humanity has six with an additional hull under construction at Arcturus Station. Alliance battleships are named for the mountains of Earth

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.


And watch this(i love that one).

[quote]
2.The blast ws shot down it blast chamber. They were not direct hits on it stronger point, just on a hard to hit weak point.

[/quote]
It is irrelevant. Fact is, that shooting was from 3-4 frigates or a cruiser maximum.

[/quote]1. Reapar don't use drednought canons or shells.They use lazer blast.

2.Reapers use lazer blast.

[/quote]

So, now you are completely and deliberately ignoring codex.

Sovereign data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEdit





Audio: Sovereign

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.How Saren acquired this incredible warship is unknown. The
prevailing opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others
believe it is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin.
The attack on Eden Prime demonstrated Sovereign's ability to generate mass effect fields
powerful enough to land on a planetary surface. This implies it has a
massive element zero core, and the ability to generate staggering
amounts of power.





Also, by saying that reapers don't use projectiles, you just said that conventional victory is possible and very easy.

Well, i'm not even asking about lasers. It's clear that you have no idea what laser is.

link.

After the Battle of the Citadel in 2183, human
and turian volunteers spent three months clearing the station's orbit
of debris. During the cleanup, the turians secretly salvaged Sovereign's
powerful main gun along with much of the weapon's element zero core.
Eleven months later, the turians introduced the Thanix, a scaled-down
version of the weapon.

Design data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEdit
The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten
suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The
molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of
light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with
enough force to pierce any known shield or armor. The gun can fire
reliably every five seconds. The weapon's relatively small size allows
it to be mounted on most fighters or frigates, including the Normandy SR-2, and gives them firepower rivaling cruisers.



Comrade, your credibility is now negative.

[Hudathan]

It took the entire Fifth Fleet to win only after Shepard and friends managed to disable Sovereign. If that Geth fleet was actually a proper Reaper fleet then the Citadel forces would have no chance. This should be a broken record by now but apparently some people have a hard time seeing what's right there on the screen and need to make up some personal interpretation just so they have something to argue about.

Can anyone honestly tell me that at the end of ME1 they went "oh I can't wait until a whole fleet of those guys to show up because it would totally be a happy time for us all."

Modifié par Hudathan, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:34 .

[Cainne Chapel]

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>

I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.

Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.

1.Replay the ending agian...Did you see any explotion that large off of any of the harbinger blast?
Added, reaper weapons a lazer weapon. The majority of it's damage is concentrated burning

I love that kind of circular logic. And complete ignorance of ME Lore.

M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game, that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M: Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?!

Comrade, you sound just like catalyst. And you know, how i am describing catalyst.

As for lore

read this

A dreadnought's power lies in the length of its main gun. Dreadnoughts range from 800 meters to one kilometer long, with a main gun of commensurate length. An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one 20 kg. slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of 38 kilotons1 of TNT, three times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.

When used to bombard planets, some of this kinetic energy is lost due to atmospheric re-entry friction. As a rule of thumb, each Earth-atmosphere of air pressure saps approximately 20% of a projectile's impact energy.

The turian fleet presently has 37 dreadnoughts; the asari, 21; and the salarians, 16. Humanity has six with an additional hull under construction at Arcturus Station. Alliance battleships are named for the mountains of Earth

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.


And watch this(i love that one).

2.The blast ws shot down it blast chamber. They were not direct hits on it stronger point, just on a hard to hit weak point.

It is irrelevant. Fact is, that shooting was from 3-4 frigates or a cruiser maximum.

Still it took 3-4 frigates, shooting a landbound destroyer class reaper, with pinpoint targeting on aw eak spot, and several volleys to take it down.

Even then it STILL seems pretty strong for a lesser class ship that i'm sure they have MANY of.

If anything that's still testament to the strength of even the lesser classed reapers not to mention the full on 2 km long ones.

[Cainne Chapel]

Also Maxster your post on Sovy actually is helpful and it goes a long way in proving that indeed the reapers were always as strong as ME3 made them out to be.

The only thing ME3 did is give them numbers.

[Maxster_]

[quote]Cainne Chapel wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>[/quote]
I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

[/quote]Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.
[/quote]
Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

[/quote]1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

[/quote]
And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.
[/quote]
1.Replay the ending agian...Did you see any explotion that large off of any of the harbinger blast?
Added, reaper weapons a lazer weapon. The majority of it's damage is concentrated burning
[/quote]
I love that kind of circular logic. And complete ignorance of ME Lore.

[quote]M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game, that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M: Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?!
[/quote]

Comrade, you sound just like catalyst. And you know, how i am describing catalyst.

As for lore

read this

A dreadnought's power lies in the length of its main gun. Dreadnoughts range from 800 meters to one kilometer long, with a main gun of commensurate length. An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one 20 kg. slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of 38 kilotons1 of TNT, three times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.

When used to bombard planets, some of this kinetic energy is lost due to atmospheric re-entry friction. As a rule of thumb, each Earth-atmosphere of air pressure saps approximately 20% of a projectile's impact energy.

The turian fleet presently has 37 dreadnoughts; the asari, 21; and the salarians, 16. Humanity has six with an additional hull under construction at Arcturus Station. Alliance battleships are named for the mountains of Earth

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.


And watch this(i love that one).

[quote]
2.The blast ws shot down it blast chamber. They were not direct hits on it stronger point, just on a hard to hit weak point.

[/quote]
It is irrelevant. Fact is, that shooting was from 3-4 frigates or a cruiser maximum.

[/quote]


Still it took 3-4 frigates, shooting a landbound destroyer class reaper, with pinpoint targeting on aw eak spot, and several volleys to take it down.

Even then it STILL seems pretty strong for a lesser class ship that i'm sure they have MANY of.

If anything that's still testament to the strength of even the lesser classed reapers not to mention the full on 2 km long ones.



[/quote]
I'm not arguing that reapers is very strong.
Just using as an example of reapers invulnerability Rannoch - is not good at all. Better use ME1, well, it never happened anyways 
Actually a lot more compelling argument is Sovereign battle, not Rannoch. Rannoch is where Shepard gone full retard for a moment.

Also, how you like idea of surving an indirect hit of 80kt impact projectile? I find it amusing

[dreman9999]

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Cainne Chapel wrote...

Ok max, would it be better if I said, it took an orbital bombardment from several Fleet ships to destroy it instead?

You are right though enough ships to hold 17 million WOULD do a lot of damage, but dont forget the vast majority of their ships aren;t exactly new and up to snuff either, they just have a LOT.

and yes Dreadnaughts have a LOT of firepower..., but how many dreadnaughts do the fleets have? 50 at most? and It still takes concentrated fire from 4 of them to really break through a capital ships shields if I recall the codex?

Still doesnt really help us if all of our big ships have to focus one at time while being one shotted does it>[/quote]
I'm saying that Shepard is dead on Rannoch along with part of his crew. If you use that kind of excuse about "entire quarian fleet".
It is like 3-4 frigates or a cruiser using only secondary weapons. Because otherwise, Shepard is certainly and instantly annihilated.
And that's all.

[/quote]Your still missing the point that destoryer are lesser class from capital ships. Even the lore says theycan take fire from an entire fleet.
[/quote]
Your credibility is zero now.
After your laughable excuse of "indirect" hit of Harbringer main gun, that allowed Shepard to survive.
Go to school, kid.

[/quote]1. It is an indirect hit.
2.The destroyer can take distance fire form a small fleet.

[/quote]
And you are deliberately ignoring my points, and proof. I know, you want to enrage me to a point of name calling. And then report to the moderators. But you will fail at that.
1.
15kt explosion
19-30kt various explosions(test).
And you are telling me, that indirect impact of 80kt shot saved Shepard's life?
You are really deluded. And haven't even finished school. By the end class of my school 15 years ago, i knew a lot about nuclear fusion and nuclear fission. Not on university level, of course, but knew.

2. He died from those few shots anyway.
[/quote]
1.Replay the ending agian...Did you see any explotion that large off of any of the harbinger blast?
Added, reaper weapons a lazer weapon. The majority of it's damage is concentrated burning
[/quote]
I love that kind of circular logic. And complete ignorance of ME Lore.

[quote]M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game, that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M: Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?!
[/quote]

Comrade, you sound just like catalyst. And you know, how i am describing catalyst.

As for lore

read this

A dreadnought's power lies in the length of its main gun. Dreadnoughts range from 800 meters to one kilometer long, with a main gun of commensurate length. An 800-meter mass accelerator is capable of accelerating one 20 kg. slug to a velocity of 4025 km/s every two seconds. Each slug has the kinetic energy of 38 kilotons1 of TNT, three times the energy released by the fission weapon that destroyed Hiroshima.

When used to bombard planets, some of this kinetic energy is lost due to atmospheric re-entry friction. As a rule of thumb, each Earth-atmosphere of air pressure saps approximately 20% of a projectile's impact energy.

The turian fleet presently has 37 dreadnoughts; the asari, 21; and the salarians, 16. Humanity has six with an additional hull under construction at Arcturus Station. Alliance battleships are named for the mountains of Earth

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.


And watch this(i love that one).

[quote]
2.The blast ws shot down it blast chamber. They were not direct hits on it stronger point, just on a hard to hit weak point.

[/quote]
It is irrelevant. Fact is, that shooting was from 3-4 frigates or a cruiser maximum.

[/quote]1. Reapar don't use drednought canons or shells.They use lazer blast.

2.Reapers use lazer blast.

[/quote]

So, now you are completely and deliberately ignoring codex.

Sovereign data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEdit





Audio: Sovereign

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.How Saren acquired this incredible warship is unknown. The
prevailing opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others
believe it is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin.
The attack on Eden Prime demonstrated Sovereign's ability to generate mass effect fields
powerful enough to land on a planetary surface. This implies it has a
massive element zero core, and the ability to generate staggering
amounts of power.





Also, by saying that reapers don't use projectiles, you just said that conventional victory is possible and very easy.

Well, i'm not even asking about lasers. It's clear that you have no idea what laser is.

link.

After the Battle of the Citadel in 2183, human
and turian volunteers spent three months clearing the station's orbit
of debris. During the cleanup, the turians secretly salvaged Sovereign's
powerful main gun along with much of the weapon's element zero core.
Eleven months later, the turians introduced the Thanix, a scaled-down
version of the weapon.

Design data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIABAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAEALAAAAAABAAEAQAICTAEAOw%3D%3DEdit
The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten
suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The
molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of
light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with
enough force to pierce any known shield or armor. The gun can fire
reliably every five seconds. The weapon's relatively small size allows
it to be mounted on most fighters or frigates, including the Normandy SR-2, and gives them firepower rivaling cruisers.



Comrade, your credibility is now negative.
[/quote]
The weapon are not shell based mass assilerated weapon. They main job is peirce. You know ...Like this...


Direct fire peices and the heat burns up the ship. It still works like a laser.

As you posted...

"liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten 
suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The 
molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of 
light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with
enough force to pierce any known shield or armor"

Show it does peicing damage and uses no slug.