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[wright1978]

Of course they should listen. That doesn't mean agreeing or acting on it all.
Aften listening and absorbing all they've taken in they should make their own judgments on how to proceed.

[Urazz]

Yes, I do think Bioware does need to listen to the fans to an extent but they can't build a game based on that alone. There is some things they can't listen to the fans about because it would drastically change the games they are making or something to that effect.

Also, what the fans want can change as time goes on or they can be split on what they want.

I think Bioware is listening to the fans for the right amount truth be told. They learned their lesson about what was wrong with DA2 and will be fixing those issues in DA3. No game is perfect and so they can only try to fix the issues that were part of the last game.

[iSignIn]

No, they should not listen to what fans say. Such as this post.

[Novate]

Arcite550 wrote...

Im looking to go into Game design myself now that im out of the Airforce. Bioware and Bethesda are my inspirations for this choice next to a passion. I am going to say that Bioware has a lot of eyes on them. With EA the doctors leaving the ME3 ending. DA3 can make or break them, my suggestion..... listen to the fans. Do what they would like and not try to drag new people in, its the ones you have now that will keep you floating as a company. I was upset with the ME3 ending, it really made hate EA all the more for ruining the ME series and then crippling DA2.... please don't let them have the same effect with DA3 its the redemption needed for Bioware. A lot has happened in the last year for yall but I am still behind you all 100% as Im sure many of the forumites are. This is me trying to up the ante, light a fire under  Biowares bums. Im not saying give the middle finger to EA.... well maybe make that a DA3 easter egg . Just know that I have great hopes for DA3 but im going to keep my expectations low (sounds bad I know). I just mean that the lower my expectations are the better the actual game will since it will obviously exceed my expectations.

Thats my two cents... any comments, agreements, disagreements?

Unfortunately if you look at the posts made by the fans, you will be extremely afraid that Bioware would listen to their fans. 
Most of the fans only focuses on the Aesthetics in their suggestions, Dialogue layouts, PC voiced or not, Multiplayer...etc
Fans ruins games more often than helping because we tend to see only whats infront of us, and our opinions varied from person to person, sometimes one person may have multiple conflicting opinions in his/her own head.
Smooth gameplay, compelling story , deep character development, emotional conflicts, these are what I personally look for in a RPG, everything else is just fluff. As long as the story have a meaningful beginning, middle and surprising End then it will be praised. 

[EricHVela]

There will be those that blame Bioware for listening to the fans and those that blame Bioware for not listening to the fans regardless if Bioware listened to fans or not on specific issues.

Whether they should or not doesn't mean much in the end.

Do not forget: The old Dragon Age fans are no longer the only fans that they want. They also want the CoD fans.

[shedevil3001]

to a certain degree bioware listening to their fans can be a good thing, not only does it show their fans that they care about what people love about their games, but it also shows how much they read up and listen to their fans, that kind of communication is hard to come by with game developers, but trying to listen to what everyone wants is a hard job, you cant please everyone, so i think for bioware its a case of finding a middle ground, i'm sure if they like some of the ideas floating around they may use them, but at the end of the day they cant include everything people want, with some of the things they stated at pax, i'm actually confident i'll enjoy da3 and i'm looking forward to when it gets released

[ianvillan]

Karsciyin wrote...

They already take fan feedback into account, just with a pinch of salt.

DAO was sort of 'testing the waters'. After getting feedback on what worked and what didn't, they over-corrected ( as well as tried new things) for DA][. My hope is that now that they have two points to work with, they can find a happy medium. This change was good so keep it, this feature missed so bring it back, we went overboard on fixing these so we need to tone it somewhere between, etc.

Please excuse my mobile device formatting or any weird auto-corrects

Some of the major changes to DA2 were decided on and put into production before Origins was even released, so what feedback were the devs taking into account and what fans were they listening to.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

If they don't want another huge crisis like the one DA2/ME3 caused, then at least listen to some of the things fans say.

[Arcite550]

On the note of wanting to Appeal to CoD fans, it might be easier to implement this into already established game universes. Really in my opinion they should simply keep the RPG an RPG and then if they want a CoD establish a new IP. However that would more likely be less cost effective I find that as a way to keep the old fans while trying to bring in new ones.

[Dragon_Effect 15511]

fchopin wrote...

Let Bioware make the game they want in the way they want.

When professionals work on what they like they can produce good and exciting games, if they work on adding this and that to make fans happy we will get a crappy game that makes no sense.

[ianvillan]

Arcite550 wrote...

On the note of wanting to Appeal to CoD fans, it might be easier to implement this into already established game universes. Really in my opinion they should simply keep the RPG an RPG and then if they want a CoD establish a new IP. However that would more likely be less cost effective I find that as a way to keep the old fans while trying to bring in new ones.

I agree, if Bioware really wanted a fast past action game they could of used Jade Empire which already had a fan base and had a much better chance of attracting their COD crowd than Dragon Age ever did.

[Milan92]

 I think they should listen to the things that the majority wants to see improved. And listen to the feedback that people gave from DA 2.
But in the end I just want Bioware to do things there own way as they planned and not change when a couple of loud folks dislike a leaked script. 

[CrazyRah]

They would be stupid to not listen but it's up to them to decide what to do with the feedback and requests.

[Pedrak]

The problem is, which fans?
Those who want a silent PC because, hey, "immersion!", or those who want a voiced one 'cause it's more cinematic?
Those who want more romance because they hope to hit on a scantily dressed qunari amazon, or those who want less because dating sims are for little girls?
Those who would like more boobs , or those who say "naahh perverts if you want porn go play the witcher 2!" ?

More seriously, I think they are checking the forums for criticisms and might even take some suggestions into account - although, realistically, we won't have any decisive influence on, say, plot, setting, the appearance of character XYZ, the presence/lack of origins or other "major" design choices.

About minor elements ( like the "hide elmet" option, which IIRC was first suggested here, or reducing the "waves" of enemies during combat), we could be more successful. Ironically, they tend to be the least discussed here.

Modifié par Pedrak, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:27 .

[Little Princess Peach]

I've noticed somthing when playing bioware games, when they first come out the games are breathtaking but come 2nd and 3rd games they seem to loose the plot not just with me and da2 they did i t in Neverwinternights 2

[EricHVela]

Just remember: BW wants to entice CoD fans.

Out of DA and CoD, which has the larger fan base? Which has the niche fan base?

And most importantly, which fan base will be open to fairly-consistent microtransactions?

If they listen to fans, do you think they'll listen to DA fans or CoD fans that aren't even talking about DA at all?

My worry is that the latter is more lucrative than the former.

It's not a question of whether they should or not. They'll do whatever they'll do to be competitive among the EA studios.

It's a question of whether or not we want them to listen to which fans, but the answers to that have no effect on the outcome. BWE acquired their target. They'll listen to those over the others.

[John Epler]

Oh hey, someone's misrepresenting the CoD statement again.

Time to take a shot.

For the record - the statement was, essentially, 'some of the people who almost exclusively play CoD games might enjoy the kinds of games we make and just not know it, so we'd like to entice them in by showing them what we offer'.

But, you know, if you'd rather say 'THEY'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE CALL OF DRAGON AGE AND IGNORE US', that's certainly an interpretation of reality you're allowed to make.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

Well if  they don't  listen  we will get  another ending  like ME3. I Guess It  is more of a matter of which  fans do you listen to ?  

 I have made my views clear  and they are contrary to others .

I can not  really answer that question because there are people  on here  that  I hope Bioware listens to  including myself  and there are some  I really wish I  could take the delete button to.

I am sure there are those who feel the same way about me .

On a side  note I don't know why people bash DA2 in some ways  i enjoyed it better than  origins they  are both  good games.

Although  I do think the  writing team needs to watch Return of the Jedi again... that's a Proper way to do an ending.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:49 .

[John Epler]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

Well if  they don't  listen  we will get  another ending  like ME3. I Guess It  is more of a matter of which  fans do you listen to ?  

 I have made my views clear  and they are contrary to others .

I can not  really answer that question because there are people  on here  that  I hope Bioware listens to  including myself  and there are some  I really wish I  could take the delete button to.

I am sure there are those who feel the same way about me .

On a side  note I don't know why people bash DA2 in some ways  i enjoyed it better than  origins they  are both  good games.

Although  I do think the  writing team needs to watch Return of the Jedi again... that's a Proper way to do an ending.

So what I'm hearing is that you want Ewoks.

[grregg]

John Epler wrote...

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So what I'm hearing is that you want Ewoks.

How can one not want Ewoks?

Modifié par grregg, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:53 .

[Maclimes]

John Epler wrote...
So what I'm hearing is that you want Ewoks.

Ewoks who follow the Qun.

[Fiddzz]

John Epler wrote...

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

Well if  they don't  listen  we will get  another ending  like ME3. I Guess It  is more of a matter of which  fans do you listen to ?  

 I have made my views clear  and they are contrary to others .

I can not  really answer that question because there are people  on here  that  I hope Bioware listens to  including myself  and there are some  I really wish I  could take the delete button to.

I am sure there are those who feel the same way about me .

On a side  note I don't know why people bash DA2 in some ways  i enjoyed it better than  origins they  are both  good games.

Although  I do think the  writing team needs to watch Return of the Jedi again... that's a Proper way to do an ending.

So what I'm hearing is that you want Ewoks.

 ....i want ewoks. 

[Vandicus]

Maclimes wrote...

John Epler wrote...
So what I'm hearing is that you want Ewoks.

Ewoks who follow the Qun.

As a member of the Episode 1 ending fanbase I propose gungan blood mages instead.