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[TCBC_Freak]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

*Reads OP*

No. Never. And I'm not being sarcastic. Make the damn game, forget the idiotic fans. If the game being developed is actually something that these people are putting hard work into (and by that I mean that they are really striving to make a good game, cuz every game takes hard work to make, even the suck ones) the game, then that will show. If they write a great story, and create polished and fun mechanics, that will be the case regardless of whetehr or not they take suggestions and requests from the troglodytes that are spewing them.

+1, Honesty, I agree.

[eroeru]

Troglodytes, huh?

[Ghost Lightning]

eroeru wrote...

Troglodytes, huh?

Not you! You're amazing D:

I mean like the ppl that lambast developers for not designing a game around the responses of fans that try to tell them how to make the game from the ground up. Bystating what you want int he new game and what you think would be fun, that's nothing but constructive and good for the game. Just the ppl that demand things that may not even be possible from a development standpoint then blame that lack of fab service from the devs for why the game is apparently a failure.

And FYI to anyone wondering, I'm not a bioware fanboy by any means. I actually hated ME3 like a medieval englishman hates the plague. I jsut feel like ppl should let the devs work. 

Modifié par Ghost Lightning, 07 octobre 2012 - 08:03 .

[eroeru]

Yeah, you've certainly right about that. "Demanding something" as such isn't nice, and it's stupid really.

Though I wouldn't call the OP a troglodyte still. :/

[Ghost Lightning]

but it's such a fun word XD

[ObserverStatus]

Ghost Lightning wrote...
but it's such a fun word XD

Can't dispute that claim.

[CrazyRah]

They obviously should take a look at the feedback they get from the fans but that's how far they really should or need to go. They absolutely shouldn't start fullfilling demands by any means. Requests, ideas and such is always good to take a look at but if they got a vision or know how they want to create the game then they should totally go with it and use the reasonable feedback if it's possible without throwing their project off in random directions.

[eroeru]

bobobo878 wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...
but it's such a fun word XD

Can't dispute that claim.

I withdraw and digress and all that.

It really is a fun word.

[efrgfhnm_]

Don't make a game to try and please fans because it will never turn out well, but also don't try and make the game to please the non-fans they're desperately trying to attract... Just make the game in the way they think will turn out best, not to try and sell well or to satisfy unpleasable fans.

[Dominus]

My answer is the same as it always is.

The relationship between fans and developers is similar (at least, from my perception) to navi and link. While navi may seem whiney, gives weird/obvious advice, and sometimes frustrates you to no end, navi(the fans) can be helpful too. Outright ignoring her/our advice wouldn't necessarily be the best path.

So what is? Take our advice with a grain of salt. I can't tell developers what 'is' and 'isn't' the right direction - it's still their vision, even though we're inexorably part of it. While this Quest is yours to take, feel free to gain second opinions from that floaty, annoying fairy with countless ideas on what DA3 and/or The Way to Death Mountain should be. I believe the fans have a message for you:

Modifié par DominusVita, 07 octobre 2012 - 10:45 .

[Rawgrim]

Art is not a democracy.

[TMZuk]

They might take suggestions.

But not to much. Great games doesn't come through fan-demand. They come through creating a vision and follow through.

Likewise, great games are not made by trying to cater to certain groups. That just creates mediocrety. To put it bluntly: People don't know what they want.

Anyone remember Dungeonkeeper? That was a GREAT game! Hillarious, wicked, exciting and original! Did Bullfrog ask their fans what they wanted before making it? No. Somebody at Bullfrog was contemplating all the dungeons that had been looted by endless waves of adventurers in countless roleplaying games and said: "That ~got~ to be a bummer for those who built those dungeons. If it was my dungeon, I'd let them have another thing coming, bastard adventurers!"

And thus a whole new concept was born.

Nowadays, however, the suits rules the business, and we are not like to see anything with so much guts from any triple A developer.

Modifié par TMZuk, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:34 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Yes, Yes. In fact all demands must be met more so my demand for Cactuar for LI and squadmate.

[BouncyFrag]

The problems with recent Bioware games are obvious. Just make a great game. With all the topics of things that make me cringe from time to time here, let the fans feel that they do have some input, and by no means do I think this should be shallow or disingenuous. Its cool when David Gaider responds to posts, so its safe to say there is some element of fan influence, but at the end of the day, just make an incredible game. Hindsight is always 20/20 so gamers monday morning quarterbacking casts the illusion of them 'knowing better.'

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Rawgrim wrote...

Art is not a democracy.

Good thing there's no art being made here.

Modifié par DarkKnightHolmes, 07 octobre 2012 - 03:46 .

[frostajulie]

They should be aware of wht the fans thoughts are on some of the most egregious issues that they have made in prior games

ex.
be aware that no happy ending in a game is not well recieved so there should be an option
destination matters as much as the journey to many fans
overuse of recycled environment and enemy spawns are annoyances
Squad banter is awesome
Varric and Morrigan are very popular
romances and LI are very popular and have a huge audience
Tactics were missed in DA2
Combat speed was well received in DA2
Auto dialogue and story railroading as done in DA2 and ME3 are not popular at all
People like pretty things, hairstyles, armor, clothing, elves
Sexy is not always best Ashley ME3 but done right and in character Isabella DA2 is welcome

I think they should have an awareness of what is being said but also stay true to the story because if it is a worthwhile story worth telling then that will show in the finished product Even ME3 had a story worth telling that pleased everyone until the last 10 minutes

But a lesson should be learned from the reaction to those last 10 minutes and not the one they think. The fans are stupid is not the lesson. The fans just don't get it is not the lesson.

Maybe the destination needs to be worthwhile, worth getting to or no matter how good the rest of the game is theres no point when there's nothing worth fighting for.

[ObserverStatus]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Bioware just wants to see other people? It's like the fans of old fashioned RPGs and to a lesser extent hardcore PC gamers are Bioware's creepy ex, and they just can't accept that Bioware is dating fans of more mainstream games now. They should just move on with their lives, but instead they keep creeping on Bioware, leaving harassing messages on their developers' Twitter feeds, and review bombing their games on Metacritic.

[Rawgrim]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Art is not a democracy.

Good thing there's no art being made here.

Video games is an artform now. Look it up.

[Rawgrim]

bobobo878 wrote...

Does anyone else get the feeling that Bioware just wants to see other people? It's like the fans of old fashioned RPGs and to a lesser extent hardcore PC gamers are Bioware's creepy ex, and they just can't accept that Bioware is dating fans of more mainstream games now. They should just move on with their lives, but instead they keep creeping on Bioware, leaving harassing messages on their developers' Twitter feeds, and review bombing their games on Metacritic.

Good point. Still... Bioware DID say the Dragon Age series would be a spiritual successor to BG2. So no wonder fans of oldschool rpgs belive they are getting something thats non-mainstream.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

They should listen to Origins fans.

[SafetyShattered]

I think that they should listen to the fans, however only to a certain extent. If they had to check in with the fans for everything then nothing would ever get done.

[SafetyShattered]

Rawgrim wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Art is not a democracy.

Good thing there's no art being made here.

Video games is an artform now. Look it up.

Quoted for truth.

[SafetyShattered]

Rawgrim wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Does anyone else get the feeling that Bioware just wants to see other people? It's like the fans of old fashioned RPGs and to a lesser extent hardcore PC gamers are Bioware's creepy ex, and they just can't accept that Bioware is dating fans of more mainstream games now. They should just move on with their lives, but instead they keep creeping on Bioware, leaving harassing messages on their developers' Twitter feeds, and review bombing their games on Metacritic.

Good point. Still... Bioware DID say the Dragon Age series would be a spiritual successor to BG2. So no wonder fans of oldschool rpgs belive they are getting something thats non-mainstream.

This. I'm not as angry about DA2 as a lot of other people were, and I definately think the hateful messages go a bit to far sometimes. However, I definately understand why people are upset. DA2 changed way too much.