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[Maxster_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

[Maxster_]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Wait.... I thought of it!

A Giant Black hole cannon installed on every frigate! A bigger version of the one Shep gets from ME2.... that would work!

Nah, it won't. There is no such technology in ME, or something even remotely close.

Modifié par Maxster_, 05 octobre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

the reapers could do that but would be against their coding .... they are programed to preserve life by absorbing them into their own "kind". they do that on a repeating base.

The Reapers don't even try to capture every planet for every possible specimen when they hold every advantage. Why can they not pass on particular planets that are too tough to be worth the cost now?

Moreover, where are we told they have to preserve every species no matter the cost? Clearly they were able to accept the losses of the Reapers that were exposed to danger and then destroyed.

destroying a star system would mean to destroy the base of a new civilisation that could grow and prosper there. they may have no problem with mass accelerator bombardment of planets but blowing up suns could jeperdise the cycle.

How?

The current cycle hasn't even reached 1% of the galaxy, and it's not like we're talking about destroying everything in that 1% either. The Protheans destroyed star systems, while stars like Haestrom die of natural and unnatural causes regardless.

There's no existential shortage of potentially life-suporting worlds, mass relays can be remade. How does it jeopordize the cycle?

i think that this scenario is very unlikely.

Correction: you think it's inconvenient, because it's a big gaping hole in the escalation argument.

The Reapers don't need to capture everyone to win.

[Dean_the_Young]

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

[Dr_Extrem]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Reapers don't need to capture everyone to win.

nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources.

vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact.

[Maxster_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

[shodiswe]

Brings in multiple Shepards from multiple realities to save one reality!

We are Shepard!

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:01 .

[dreman9999]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Reapers don't need to capture everyone to win.

nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources.

vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact.

"nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources."

Reapers don't need recources for one, just the organics they havest. One system does not mean an entire race...Remeber, the reaper by the end of ME3 hold almost all the homeworlds.



"vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact."


One system does not mean all the advances and tech of that race. Remeber, the reapers are not over blowing up planets with out getting it tech...It did blow up Bekenstein.[/b]
http://masseffect.wi...kenstein#Trivia

In Mass Effect 3, Diana Allers mentions that Bekenstein is attacked and destroyed by Reaper forces because of its industrial infrastructure, even though the factories there only produce commercial items such as binoculars. Instead of landing ground forces to harvest Bekenstein's organic population, the Reapers choose to bombard it from orbit.

Modifié par dreman9999, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:04 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

Er, I did. Javik. Who will tell you that the Protheans blew up a star in their war with one species or another.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Reapers don't need to capture everyone to win.

nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources.

The Reapers don't need those resources. Solar systems will reform, and life can grow on other planets, and more relays can be made.

About the only resource the Reapers care about is actual Reapers already made. The point of blowing up a planet in escalation would be because they would lose too many Reapers if they didn't. Destroying a biosphere is an accepted Reaper tactic as it is.

vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact.

If the Reapers are in a position to obliterate the planet with mass accelerator bombardment in the first place, and therefore wipe out the infrastructure necessary to support the fleets, then by necessity the fleets are already unable to stop the Reapers.

If the fleets can't stop the Reapers, then there's no reason to escalate in the first place.

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

I'm not surprized you don't know this....http://masseffect.wi...a'til#Zha.27til
Ypu don't know anything in the lore.

The zha'til[/b] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha[/b] implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.

Modifié par dreman9999, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Maxster_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

Er, I did. Javik. Who will tell you that the Protheans blew up a star in their war with one species or another.

Javik tells many strange things. Some of which are implausible with shutted down relay network. Like tales about other civilization's horrible things done to stop the reapers(killing their young).

Destroying suns sounds very unlikely with technology and energy levels of ME.
And other than Javik's words, there is nothing in the codex, that says something about destroying suns. Or something that tells such things is ever done by anyone in ME history.

Modifié par Maxster_, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:13 .

[Maxster_]

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

I'm not serprized you don't know this....http://masseffect.wi...a'til#Zha.27til
Ypu don't know anything in the lore.

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">The ] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the [/color]Protheans[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">. They originated when a race known as the ] implanted themselves with symbiotic [/color]AI[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.[/color]

Kid, go to school.

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

I'm not serprized you don't know this....http://masseffect.wi...a'til#Zha.27til
Ypu don't know anything in the lore.

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">The ] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the [/color]Protheans[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">. They originated when a race known as the ] implanted themselves with symbiotic [/color]AI[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.[/color]

Kid, go to school.

Dude, read the lore. and stop being an ass.

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

Er, I did. Javik. Who will tell you that the Protheans blew up a star in their war with one species or another.

Javik tells many strange things. Some of which are implausible with shutted down relay network. Like tales about other civilization's horrible things done to stop the reapers.

Destroying suns sounds very unlikely with technology and energy levels of ME.

System to system transport with out the mass relays are passible. Don't discount want said in game because you can't think.
And the prothean network is not like the ftl network ME has.

Modifié par dreman9999, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Maxster_ wrote...
Javik tells many strange things. Some of which are implausible with shutted down relay network. Like tales about other civilization's horrible things done to stop the reapers.

FTL coms that don't require the relays are established fact in the ME universe. You even have one installed in your own ship.

Limiting the flow of information across the galaxy with the loss of the relays doesn't mean it was completely stopped.

Destroying suns sounds very unlikely with technology and energy levels of ME.

And yet it exists.

[Maxster_]

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

I'm not serprized you don't know this....http://masseffect.wi...a'til#Zha.27til
Ypu don't know anything in the lore.

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">The ] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the [/color]Protheans[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">. They originated when a race known as the ] implanted themselves with symbiotic [/color]AI[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.[/color]

Kid, go to school.

Dude, read the lore. and stop being an ass.

You don't know even basics like classical mechanic. Go to school already.

[AlanC9]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

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nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources.

Resources the Reapers don't actually need.

vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact.

I concur. Bombing planets to death from space is much more likely. Especially since we know that the Reapers have done this to many worlds in previous cycles.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, isn't that telling: Maxster demand a source, and when provided one proceeded to go on to insult the messenger who gave him one.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[dreman9999]

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?

By magic?

By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.

Really?

Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.

Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

I'm not serprized you don't know this....http://masseffect.wi...a'til#Zha.27til
Ypu don't know anything in the lore.

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">The ] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the [/color]Protheans[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">. They originated when a race known as the ] implanted themselves with symbiotic [/color]AI[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.[/color]

Kid, go to school.

Dude, read the lore. and stop being an ass.

You don't know even basics like classical mechanic. Go to school already.

You the one that thinks reaper use drednought cannons. READ THE LORE.

[AlanC9]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

FTL coms that don't require the relays are established fact in the ME universe. You even have one installed in your own ship.

Limiting the flow of information across the galaxy with the loss of the relays doesn't mean it was completely stopped.

If it had been stopped, there's no ME1 since the beacons wouldn't have worked.

[Maxster_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...
Javik tells many strange things. Some of which are implausible with shutted down relay network. Like tales about other civilization's horrible things done to stop the reapers.

FTL coms that don't require the relays are established fact in the ME universe. You even have one installed in your own ship.

Limiting the flow of information across the galaxy with the loss of the relays doesn't mean it was completely stopped.

I know. Because of that i said that it was implausible, not impossible.
Also, reapers like to destroy communcations first. including prothean beacons.

Destroying suns sounds very unlikely with technology and energy levels of ME.

And yet it exists.

Well, after retarded crucible idea, in ME3 could exists anything, flying unicorns included.
This was just made up for ME3 exclusively. And it is unplausible with lore of the other 2 games.

Modifié par Maxster_, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:18 .

[Maxster_]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?[/quote]
By magic?

[/quote]By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.
[/quote]
Really?

[/quote]Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.
[/quote]
Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult.

[/quote]I'm not serprized you don't know this....http://masseffect.wi...a'til#Zha.27til
Ypu don't know anything in the lore.

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">The ] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the [/color]Protheans[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">. They originated when a race known as the ] implanted themselves with symbiotic [/color]AI[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.[/color]

[/quote]
Kid, go to school.

[/quote]Dude, read the lore. and stop being an ass.
[/quote]
You don't know even basics like classical mechanic. Go to school already.

[/quote]You the one that thinks reaper use drednought cannons. READ THE LORE.
[/quote]
Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren Arterius. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.

The prevailing opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others believe it is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin. The attack on Eden Prime demonstrated Sovereign's ability to generate mass effect fields powerful enough to land on a planetary surface. This implies it has a massive element zero core, and the ability to generate staggering amounts of power.

[Maxster_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, isn't that telling: Maxster demand a source, and when provided one proceeded to go on to insult the messenger who gave him one.

You about dreman?
He said that the "indirect" hit of the Harbringer's main gun allowed Shepard to survive.
Just like that. Good luck evading that.
Then he stated some facepalm worthy things, which demonstrated he have no idea about even classical mechanic.

[Dean_the_Young]

Maxster_ wrote...

I know. Because of that i said that it was implausible, not impossible.

Casting doubt on a hunch is not a counter-argument.

Also, reapers like to destroy communcations first. including prothean beacons.

And we have two games with multiple accounts of how they failed to do so completely, even 50,000 years after the Prothean extinction.

Well, after retarded crucible idea, in ME3 could exists anything, flying unicorns included.
This was just made up for ME3 exclusively. And it is unplausible with lore of the other 2 games.

Did you not play through Haestrom, or are you simply forgetful? Stars being destabilized by unusual means was a concept introduced in ME2.