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#276
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Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...
Javik tells many strange things. Some of which are implausible with shutted down relay network. Like tales about other civilization's horrible things done to stop the reapers.

FTL coms that don't require the relays are established fact in the ME universe. You even have one installed in your own ship.

Limiting the flow of information across the galaxy with the loss of the relays doesn't mean it was completely stopped.

I know. Because of that i said that it was implausible, not impossible.
Also, reapers like to destroy communcations first. including prothean beacons.

Destroying suns sounds very unlikely with technology and energy levels of ME.

And yet it exists.

Well, after retarded crucible idea, in ME3 could exists anything, flying unicorns included. :wizard:
This was just made up for ME3 exclusively. And it is unplausible with lore of the other 2 games.

1. That implissible thing is the device that Shepard gets the vision form in ME1.
2.Nothing in ME says it's impossible...Heck, the reaper made a device that if blows up takes out systems.  If the reapers can make something that makes that, why it it so hard for you to see that some other race , one that is advance enough to copy the device, or the reapers can't make something that can blow up a star? 

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Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, isn't that telling: Maxster demand a source, and when provided one proceeded to go on to insult the messenger who gave him one.

You about dreman?
He said that the "indirect" hit of the Harbringer's main gun allowed Shepard to survive.
Just like that. Good luck evading that. :D
Then he stated some facepalm worthy things, which demonstrated he have no idea about even classical mechanic.

And yet in this case he is correct, and brought in a source to back him up. You have not.

Attacking the messenger for past failures doesn't contest his argument. It only makes you look worse when, as in this case, he is right and you are wrong.

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[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

And what will we do if the Reapers run away and start blowing up stars?[/quote]
By magic? :wizard:

[/quote]By technology. The Protheans did it as a weapon of war, after all.
[/quote]
Really? :wizard:

[/quote]Yup, but don't let that get in the way of your thoughtless meme appeal.
[/quote]
Then prove it with ingame information, and|or codex entry. Not with a pathetic attempt of indirect insult. :wizard:

[/quote]I'm not serprized you don't know this....http://masseffect.wi...a'til#Zha.27til
Ypu don't know anything in the lore.

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">The ] were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the [/color]Protheans[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">. They originated when a race known as the ] implanted themselves with symbiotic [/color]AI[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely.[/color]

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Kid, go to school.

[/quote]Dude, read the lore. and stop being an ass.
[/quote]
You don't know even basics like classical mechanic. Go to school already.

[/quote]You the one that thinks reaper use drednought cannons. READ THE LORE.
[/quote]
Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren Arterius. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At two kilometers long, its spinal-mounted main gun is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.

The prevailing opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others believe it is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin. The attack on Eden Prime demonstrated Sovereign's ability to generate mass effect fields powerful enough to land on a planetary surface. This implies it has a massive element zero core, and the ability to generate staggering amounts of power.




[/quote]That cannon equals this..http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Thanix
The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.

That is not the same as a drednought cannon fire.


Drednought fire equals hevey impact.
Reaper fire equals peicing impact..

EXAMPLE...

#279
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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

I know. Because of that i said that it was implausible, not impossible.

Casting doubt on a hunch is not a counter-argument.

I know. Better if they added that in ME1.
Well, reapers could easily evade and bombard planets anyway. Why they ever need to destroy suns?

Also, reapers like to destroy communcations first. including prothean beacons.

And we have two games with multiple accounts of how they failed to do so completely, even 50,000 years after the Prothean extinction.

Yeah. Well, we could say that Javik is a ground soldier, and don't know much about everything.

Well, after retarded crucible idea, in ME3 could exists anything, flying unicorns included. :wizard:
This was just made up for ME3 exclusively. And it is unplausible with lore of the other 2 games.

Did you not play through Haestrom, or are you simply forgetful? Stars being destabilized by unusual means was a concept introduced in ME2.

Dark energy plot was thrown away. And it was about excessive using of dark energy that leads to destabilizing effects on stars of the galaxy. Not direct weaponry.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, isn't that telling: Maxster demand a source, and when provided one proceeded to go on to insult the messenger who gave him one.

You about dreman?
He said that the "indirect" hit of the Harbringer's main gun allowed Shepard to survive.
Just like that. Good luck evading that. :D
Then he stated some facepalm worthy things, which demonstrated he have no idea about even classical mechanic.

And yet in this case he is correct, and brought in a source to back him up. You have not.

No, he is not. He is uneducated, and unwilling to educate. You do not speak about quantuum mechanics with kindergaten's kid. It is completely pointless.

Attacking the messenger for past failures doesn't contest his argument. It only makes you look worse when, as in this case, he is right and you are wrong.

Nah, i'm just tired of him specifically. He is saying complete bull**** about physics and science, it is just intelligence-insulting.

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the dark energy concept died when drew left the team .. if i remember correctly

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:37 .


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AlanC9 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

FTL coms that don't require the relays are established fact in the ME universe. You even have one installed in your own ship.

Limiting the flow of information across the galaxy with the loss of the relays doesn't mean it was completely stopped.


If it had been stopped, there's no ME1 since the beacons wouldn't have worked.

Thank you. We have 2 working becons inthe series...One in ME1 and the other in ME2.

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dreman9999 wrote...


That cannon equals this..http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Thanix
The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.

That is not the same as a drednought cannon fire.


Drednought fire equals hevey impact.
Reaper fire equals peicing impact..

EXAMPLE...

Go to school, kid.
I'll repeat the post you completely ignored.


dreman9999 wrote...
It was not just a blast from a frigate...Itwas the combine blast of the fleet. The normandy just hit first.

Also, an assilerated liquid form would not have a concusion based explosion. Look at the Newton video you post ...Look at the slug they have...That the shape it need to be to have that explosion you think reaper guns should have. Not liquid.

Smaller object need a massive ammount of speed to have major impacts, large object need lesser speed. Liquid object need a massive ammount of speed for major inpact.





*megaton facepalm*
Learn physics, kid.

Smaller object need a massive ammount of speed to have major impacts, large object need lesser speed. Liquid object need a massive ammount of speed for major inpact.

Impact impulse have nothing to do with physical state of material.

P=m*V, where P - impulse, m - mass, v - velocity.

http://en.wikipedia...._laws_of_motion
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
http://en.wikipedia..../Kinetic_energy
http://en.wikipedia....otential_energy
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision

Kinetic energy
Ek=(1/2)*m*V^2, where Ek - kinetic energy, m - mass, V - velocity.


Conservation of linear momentum

In a closed system (one that
does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by
outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the
law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of
motion.[5] Suppose, for example, that two particles interact. Because of
the third law, the forces between them are equal and opposite. If the
particles are numbered 1 and 2, the second law states that F1 = dp1/dt
and F2 = dp2/dt.
...
If the velocities of the particles are u1 and u2 before the interaction, and afterwards they are v1 and v2, then


Image IPB

Inelastic collision

An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
The molecules of a gas or liquid rarely experience perfectly elastic collisions because kinetic energy is exchanged between the molecules' translational motion and their internal degrees of freedom
with each collision. At any one instant, half the collisions are – to a
varying extent – inelastic (the pair possesses less kinetic energy
after the collision than before), and half could be described as
“super-elastic” (possessing more kinetic energy after the collision than before). Averaged across an entire sample, molecular collisions are elastic.


Image IPB
Image IPB



where
   va is the final velocity of the first object after impact
   v
b is the final velocity of the second object after impact
   ua is the initial velocity of the first object before impact
   ub is the initial velocity of the second object before impact
   m
a is the mass of the first object
   mb is the mass of the second objec
   CR is the coefficient of restitution; if it is 1 we have an elastic collision; if it is 0 we have a perfectly inelastic collision.

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Dean_the_Young

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Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, isn't that telling: Maxster demand a source, and when provided one proceeded to go on to insult the messenger who gave him one.

You about dreman?
He said that the "indirect" hit of the Harbringer's main gun allowed Shepard to survive.
Just like that. Good luck evading that. :D
Then he stated some facepalm worthy things, which demonstrated he have no idea about even classical mechanic.

And yet in this case he is correct, and brought in a source to back him up. You have not.

No, he is not. He is uneducated, and unwilling to educate. You do not speak about quantuum mechanics with kindergaten's kid. It is completely pointless.

He gave you a source on this matter. The fault is yours if you do not consider it.

Attacking the messenger for past failures doesn't contest his argument. It only makes you look worse when, as in this case, he is right and you are wrong.

Nah, i'm just tired of him specifically. He is saying complete bull**** about physics and science, it is just intelligence-insulting.

And you're being remarkably petty about it. So what?

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Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, isn't that telling: Maxster demand a source, and when provided one proceeded to go on to insult the messenger who gave him one.

You about dreman?
He said that the "indirect" hit of the Harbringer's main gun allowed Shepard to survive.
Just like that. Good luck evading that. :D
Then he stated some facepalm worthy things, which demonstrated he have no idea about even classical mechanic.

And yet in this case he is correct, and brought in a source to back him up. You have not.

No, he is not. He is uneducated, and unwilling to educate. You do not speak about quantuum mechanics with kindergaten's kid. It is completely pointless.

Attacking the messenger for past failures doesn't contest his argument. It only makes you look worse when, as in this case, he is right and you are wrong.

Nah, i'm just tired of him specifically. He is saying complete bull**** about physics and science, it is just intelligence-insulting.

All right lets end this here....
Reaper guns are not hevey impact weapons. They are piercing...

That cannon equals this..http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Thanix
The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.

That is not the same as a drednought cannon fire.


Drednought fire equals hevey impact.
Reaper fire equals peicing impact..

EXAMPLE...

Sovergins cannonis a better version of the thanix cannon. It not a heavy impacting weapon like drednoughts.

 It would not have a massive exploding impact.

Shepad can servive an indirct impact from a blast like that. If not Shepard would be dead form the first shot on rannoch no matter were he dodged.

#286
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nopantsisabela wrote...

Aiyie wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...


The Catalyst is not a deus ex machina since it's been alluded to since the very beginning of the game when mention of the Crucible was first revealed and is clearly pointed out as a component necessary to defeat the Reapers. It's a MacGuffin. What its actual nature is has no bearing on it.


whether you feel its a macguffin or a deus ex machina depends entirely on whether you are viewing ME3 as the final act in a three part storyline or a seperate storyline of its own.

if you feel that ME3 is its own story, then sure, since the catalyst/crucible is introduced at the beginning of the story, its not a deus ex machina.

i tend to believe that's not the case though, with ME1 being the act that introduces us to the major characters, their motivations and the primary antogonist.  ME2 acts as the middle act, providing the build-up and anticipation of the conclusion.  and then there's ME3... the story's conclusion, wherein a plot device is introduced with zero allusions to its existence and significance in the previous acts...

to me that's a deus ex machina.


Thanks Aiyie, you beat me to it.


As Dean said, two-thirds into a story is not a deus ex machina.

#287
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Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


That cannon equals this..http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Thanix
The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.

That is not the same as a drednought cannon fire.


Drednought fire equals hevey impact.
Reaper fire equals peicing impact..

EXAMPLE...

Go to school, kid.
I'll repeat the post you completely ignored.


dreman9999 wrote...
It was not just a blast from a frigate...Itwas the combine blast of the fleet. The normandy just hit first.

Also, an assilerated liquid form would not have a concusion based explosion. Look at the Newton video you post ...Look at the slug they have...That the shape it need to be to have that explosion you think reaper guns should have. Not liquid.

Smaller object need a massive ammount of speed to have major impacts, large object need lesser speed. Liquid object need a massive ammount of speed for major inpact.





*megaton facepalm*
Learn physics, kid.

Smaller object need a massive ammount of speed to have major impacts, large object need lesser speed. Liquid object need a massive ammount of speed for major inpact.

Impact impulse have nothing to do with physical state of material.
P=m*V, where P - impulse, m - mass, v - velocity.

http://en.wikipedia...._laws_of_motion
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
http://en.wikipedia..../Kinetic_energy
http://en.wikipedia....otential_energy
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision

Kinetic energy
Ek=(1/2)*m*V^2, where Ek - kinetic energy, m - mass, V - velocity.


Conservation of linear momentum

In a closed system (one that
does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by
outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the
law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of
motion.[5] Suppose, for example, that two particles interact. Because of
the third law, the forces between them are equal and opposite. If the
particles are numbered 1 and 2, the second law states that F1 = dp1/dt
and F2 = dp2/dt.
...
If the velocities of the particles are u1 and u2 before the interaction, and afterwards they are v1 and v2, then


Image IPB

Inelastic collision

An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
The molecules of a gas or liquid rarely experience perfectly elastic collisions because kinetic energy is exchanged between the molecules' translational motion and their internal degrees of freedom
with each collision. At any one instant, half the collisions are – to a
varying extent – inelastic (the pair possesses less kinetic energy
after the collision than before), and half could be described as
“super-elastic” (possessing more kinetic energy after the collision than before). Averaged across an entire sample, molecular collisions are elastic.


Image IPB
Image IPB



where
   va is the final velocity of the first object after impact
   v
b is the final velocity of the second object after impact
   ua is the initial velocity of the first object before impact
   ub is the initial velocity of the second object before impact
   m
a is the mass of the first object
   mb is the mass of the second objec
   CR is the coefficient of restitution; if it is 1 we have an elastic collision; if it is 0 we have a perfectly inelastic collision.


That still equals to liquid needing a massive ammount of speed to have a massive impact.

What's fired form the reaper's cannons would not have an explosive impact.

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[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Dean_the_Young wrote...

Well, isn't that telling: Maxster demand a source, and when provided one proceeded to go on to insult the messenger who gave him one.[/quote]
You about dreman?
He said that the "indirect" hit of the Harbringer's main gun allowed Shepard to survive.
Just like that. Good luck evading that. :D
Then he stated some facepalm worthy things, which demonstrated he have no idea about even classical mechanic.

[/quote]And yet in this case he is correct, and brought in a source to back him up. You have not.
[/quote]
No, he is not. He is uneducated, and unwilling to educate. You do not speak about quantuum mechanics with kindergaten's kid. It is completely pointless.[/quote]He gave you a source on this matter. The fault is yours if you do not consider it.
[/quote]
It is internet. I react to kid's behavior, absense of basic knowledge, and unwilligness to learn the way i see fit.
[quote]
[quote]Attacking the messenger for past failures doesn't contest his argument. It only makes you look worse when, as in this case, he is right and you are wrong.
[/quote]
Nah, i'm just tired of him specifically. He is saying complete bull**** about physics and science, it is just intelligence-insulting.

[/quote]And you're being remarkably petty about it. So what?
[/quote]
As are you about that topic about dreman. So what? :D

Modifié par Maxster_, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:45 .


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No, OP. The enemy is on a so completely different level that they were forced to create a "win button" (the crucible). I thought to something like that (a sort of device or virus) one minute after the ending of ME1, when 2 entire fleets were thorn apart...
Sorry for bad english, i hope you understand.

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dreman9999 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Reapers don't need to capture everyone to win.


nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources.

vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact.

"nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources."

Reapers don't need recources for one, just the organics they havest. One system does not mean an entire race...Remeber, the reaper by the end of ME3 hold almost all the homeworlds.



"vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact."


One system does not mean all the advances and tech of that race. Remeber, the reapers are not over blowing up planets with out getting it tech...It did blow up Bekenstein.[/b]
http://masseffect.wi...kenstein#Trivia

[color=rgb(255,255,255)">In ], [/color]Diana Allers[color=rgb(255,255,255)"> ] forces because of its industrial infrastructure, even though the factories there only produce commercial items such as binoculars. Instead of landing ground forces to harvest Bekenstein's organic population, the Reapers choose to bombard it from orbit.[/color]



they bombed the planet with mass accelerator slugs - they have done such things before. in mass effect 1, vigil stated, that the enslaved rests ot the prothean people had to strip the planets bare of recources and technology. why do that, if you dont need it? ... its more effective to let the enslaved (indoctrinated) protheans simply die. why all the harvesting? it is a fact that they were collecting the recources.

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Maxster_ wrote...

Well, reapers could easily evade and bombard planets anyway. Why they ever need to destroy suns?

Because with sufficient fleets and kinetic barriers (keys of an industrial base capable of beating the Reapers), a sustained bombardment campaign may not be possible.


Yeah. Well, we could say that Javik is a ground soldier, and don't know much about everything.

We could also say Liara is not at all female. Both would be, while technically true, entirely misleading.

Javik is an authoritative exposition device for the information about the Protheans.

Dark energy plot was thrown away. And it was about excessive using of dark energy that leads to destabilizing effects on stars of the galaxy. Not direct weaponry.

The plot about Dark Energy being the basis for Reapers motivation was thrown away, or more accurately never applied in the first place. The fact that stars can be destabilized was not thrown away.

These are two different elements of the lore. They were not dependent on eachother.

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"That still equals to liquid needing a massive ammount of speed to have a massive impact.

What's fired form the reaper's cannons would not have an explosive impact."


2 Dean_the_Young

Now you see? He doesn't even understand what he talking about.

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Dr_Extrem wrote...

they bombed the planet with mass accelerator slugs - they have done such things before. in mass effect 1, vigil stated, that the enslaved rests ot the prothean people had to strip the planets bare of recources and technology. why do that, if you dont need it?

To cover up the Reaping cycle and set the desired grounds for the next.

... its more effective to let the enslaved (indoctrinated) protheans simply die. why all the harvesting? it is a fact that they were collecting the recources.

The 'harvest' refers to the species they make into Reapers.

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Maxster_ wrote...

"That still equals to liquid needing a massive ammount of speed to have a massive impact.

What's fired form the reaper's cannons would not have an explosive impact."


2 Dean_the_Young

Now you see? He doesn't even understand what he talking about.


Ok then....Please tell me the speed fire of a reaper cannon or a drednought?
Also, the mass and density of the object being fired form these ships.

Modifié par dreman9999, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:50 .


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Dr_Extrem wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Reapers don't need to capture everyone to win.


nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources.

vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact.

"nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources."

Reapers don't need recources for one, just the organics they havest. One system does not mean an entire race...Remeber, the reaper by the end of ME3 hold almost all the homeworlds.



"vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact."


One system does not mean all the advances and tech of that race. Remeber, the reapers are not over blowing up planets with out getting it tech...It did blow up Bekenstein.[/b]
http://masseffect.wi...kenstein#Trivia

[color=rgb(255,255,255)">In ], [/color]Diana Allers[color=rgb(255,255,255)"> ] forces because of its industrial infrastructure, even though the factories there only produce commercial items such as binoculars. Instead of landing ground forces to harvest Bekenstein's organic population, the Reapers choose to bombard it from orbit.[/color]



they bombed the planet with mass accelerator slugs - they have done such things before. in mass effect 1, vigil stated, that the enslaved rests ot the prothean people had to strip the planets bare of recources and technology. why do that, if you dont need it? ... its more effective to let the enslaved (indoctrinated) protheans simply die. why all the harvesting? it is a fact that they were collecting the recources.

I'm afraid, explaining something to dreman not even improbable, it is impossible.

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Maxster_ wrote...

"That still equals to liquid needing a massive ammount of speed to have a massive impact.

What's fired form the reaper's cannons would not have an explosive impact."


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Now you see? He doesn't even understand what he talking about.

Until you changed the subject, he was talking about the Protheans exploding a star as a weapon. And he was correct in that.

You can go onto as many tangeants as you want about his other failures, but it's irrelevant to whether he's correct in this matter.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

"That still equals to liquid needing a massive ammount of speed to have a massive impact.

What's fired form the reaper's cannons would not have an explosive impact."


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Now you see? He doesn't even understand what he talking about.

Until you changed the subject, he was talking about the Protheans exploding a star as a weapon. And he was correct in that.

You can go onto as many tangeants as you want about his other failures, but it's irrelevant to whether he's correct in this matter.

It is relevant. I'm talking to you, or anyone else who has at least finished 7 class school.
He is no opponent, and i'm not taking him seriously.
Why are you so petty about that?

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Dr_Extrem wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

The Reapers don't need to capture everyone to win.


nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources.

vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact.

"nope .. they need to capture or kill everyone to leave no trace of their existance behind. ok .. blowing up a star is the ultimate cleaning but it would also mean to destroy recources."

Reapers don't need recources for one, just the organics they havest. One system does not mean an entire race...Remeber, the reaper by the end of ME3 hold almost all the homeworlds.



"vigil mentioned, that the reapers strap every planet bare of recources and technology. not the complete rest of the galaxy is linked to the relay network. destroying systems in the reach of a relay is a risk. maybe a risk willingly taken, if the reaper are in trouble - but dont think that they would blow up a whole sunsystem just to get rid of a fleet ... especially, if the fleet can jump out with ftl travel. a planet can just be obliterated with mass accelerator bombardment. its more effective and leaves the system intact."


One system does not mean all the advances and tech of that race. Remeber, the reapers are not over blowing up planets with out getting it tech...It did blow up Bekenstein.[/b]
http://masseffect.wi...kenstein#Trivia

[color=rgb(255,255,255)">In ], [/color]Diana Allers[color=rgb(255,255,255)"> ] forces because of its industrial infrastructure, even though the factories there only produce commercial items such as binoculars. Instead of landing ground forces to harvest Bekenstein's organic population, the Reapers choose to bombard it from orbit.[/color]



they bombed the planet with mass accelerator slugs - they have done such things before. in mass effect 1, vigil stated, that the enslaved rests ot the prothean people had to strip the planets bare of recources and technology. why do that, if you dont need it? ... its more effective to let the enslaved (indoctrinated) protheans simply die. why all the harvesting? it is a fact that they were collecting the recources.


Your missing the fact that they are not going to bomb every planet. The reapers think in end over means. They are not going to go after every bit of tech or person. THE POINT IS DURING THE CONQUEST THEY WOULD DO THIS TO WEAKEN WHO THEY ARE HAVESTING.

Modifié par dreman9999, 06 octobre 2012 - 12:54 .


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Dean_the_Young wrote...

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Well, reapers could easily evade and bombard planets anyway. Why they ever need to destroy suns?

Because with sufficient fleets and kinetic barriers (keys of an industrial base capable of beating the Reapers), a sustained bombardment campaign may not be possible.

Attrition war? Is that even close for reapers to act like that? Compared to what we see in all games.
Isn't just easier to ftl-jump around the planet and bomb? You jump, volley, you jump away, repeat.
It is just impossible to defend against that on every planet of civilization.

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Maxster_ wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

"That still equals to liquid needing a massive ammount of speed to have a massive impact.

What's fired form the reaper's cannons would not have an explosive impact."


2 Dean_the_Young

Now you see? He doesn't even understand what he talking about.

Until you changed the subject, he was talking about the Protheans exploding a star as a weapon. And he was correct in that.

You can go onto as many tangeants as you want about his other failures, but it's irrelevant to whether he's correct in this matter.

It is relevant. I'm talking to you, or anyone else who has at least finished 7 class school.
He is no opponent, and i'm not taking him seriously.
Why are you so petty about that?

Why are you being petty about this?
The fact remain that you bringing up an issue that a type of fire from one cannon and says a cannon that works differnently on another ship should work the same.