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dreman9999 wrote...

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@Maxster_

Your not getting it...It not about simple kinetic energy with ammunitions. It's about effectivity.

A slug is not effect based on impact alone, it's effect based on what happen after impact. If a slug goes too fast and it passes through the object it's trying to destroy and does little damage.
Which is why armor peircing bullets are not the best type of bullets to use on people...It passes through them.

A slug for it to be effective must be dence enough to be shot into the target but slows down once it hits or gets inside the target.
That's why hallow points are effective ageints people.

The same concept goes for ships....If the slug you fire on a ship is shots too fast, it shot through the ship...You want a slug that can peirce throught the hull and blow up inside.

A drednaught slug is made to hit ships without the slug shooting out through the ship and doing little damage. It hits the ship, brakes up on impact, slows down inside and blows the ship up.

That is not the case of a thanix gun or reaper gun. It design to pierce through,  not give heavy impacts. It design to shot a beam extremely hot moltlen metal at a much fast rate then a drednaught shoots it slug though ships and use the heat of the beam of molton metal to destory the ship.

It's like a laser being shot through a person and the heat of the beam burns the person to death. That  why it looks like beam when fired.


This is an issue of effectivity of ammounitions

Before you claim something like that

That is not the case of a thanix gun or reaper gun. It design to
pierce through,  not give heavy impacts. It design to shot a beam
extremely hot moltlen metal at a much fast rate then a drednaught shoots
it slug though ships and use the heat of the beam of molton metal to
destory the ship.

Prove that liquid are more piercing than a chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.

Also that claim is complete rubbish. You do not understand physics.
You don't know what "heat" is. You don't know what "kinetic energy" is.

Oh dear god...It's not about what pierces better.

Even if one peirce better, it matter not if the slug passed through the ship. You can take a drednaught slug and shoot it super fast, but if it's so fast it passes throught the ship, it not an effective weapon. A slug must slow down enough after impact to do major damage.


It's not rubbish..This is how ammunitions work. Ask any gunman and they would tell you the same thing.

The thanix cannon is not a weapon about impact power ..That's why it can be put on any ship of any size. It's about the power it has to piercing and what the slug does after it pierces into the target.

Solid object  will alway pierce better then liquid, but the issue of using a solid as ammunition is that it may go too fast and passs through what it's being shot at with out doing much danage.

Thanix weapon ignores impact  for pierce power. There is no care if the shoots passed through the object it's fired on. Because it's shot as a heated beam of molten metal, the beam pierces throught the object and it's destroyed by wthe beams heat.

This is a tactic to go ageinst kinetic sheild being that they are designed to take heavy impacts on ships. It made so that the super fast shots of the cannon aftereffects of passing through the object that is being fired on is not a counter but an assist...For it to be able to burn the ship with a super hot beam.



*megaton facepalm*

And here we go for another round of nonsensical bull****.

You do not know physics at all. You can not even read. You do not understand what kinetic weapon is.

Thanix

The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten METAL, ACCELERATED to a SIGNIFICANT FRACTION of the SPEED OF LIGHT, SOLIDIFIES INTO A PROJECTILE AS IT IS FIRED, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor. The gun can fire reliably every five seconds. The weapon's relatively small size allows it to be mounted on most fighters or frigates, including the Normandy SR-2, and gives them firepower rivaling cruisers.


Thanix, comrade, is a KINETIC WEAPON. With additional damage, from heat.

ALSO, form of projectiles is already mentioned in the codex.

 Weapons: Mass Accelerators

Mass accelerators propel solid metal slugs via electromagnetic attraction and repulsion. A slug lightened by a mass effect field can be accelerated to extremely high speeds, permitting previously unattainable projectile velocities.

The primary determinant of a mass accelerator's destructive power is length. The longer the barrel, the longer the slug can be accelerated, the higher the slug's final velocity, and therefore the greater its kinetic impact. SLUGS ARE DESIGNED TO SQUASH OR SHATTER ON IMPACT, INCREASING THE ENERGY THEY TRANSFER TO ITS TARGET. Without collapsibility, slugs would punch through their targets while inflicting only minimal damage.

Rather than being mounted on the exterior, starship guns are housed inside hulls and visible only as gun portholes from outside.

A ship's main gun is a large spinal-mount weapon running 90% of the hull's length. While possessing destructive power equal to that of tactical nuclear weapons, main guns are difficult to aim. Because ships must be able to point their bows almost directly at their targets, main guns are best used for long-range "bombardment" fire.

Approximately 40% of the hull's width, broadside guns inflict less damage and can be mounted with greater numbers and more flexibility. The modern human Kilimanjaro-class dreadnoughts mount three decks with 26 broadside accelerators apiece for a total salvo weight of 78 slugs per side, firing once every two seconds.

However, mass accelerators produce recoil equal to their impact energy. While the mass effect fields suspending the rounds mitigate the recoil, recoil shock can still rattle crews and damage systems.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but does not the codex entry clearly state that the beam emitted by a thanix cannon solidifies when it's fired, thereby rendering this whole argument moot? 

Specify, please.  If you are asking me, of course. :D

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Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but does not the codex entry clearly state that the beam emitted by a thanix cannon solidifies when it's fired, thereby rendering this whole argument moot? 

Specify, please.  If you are asking me, of course. :D


You pretty much capitalized it. Just thought I'd point that out since his argument was getting pretty circular.

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Urdnot Amenark wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

@Maxster_

Your not getting it...It not about simple kinetic energy with ammunitions. It's about effectivity.

A slug is not effect based on impact alone, it's effect based on what happen after impact. If a slug goes too fast and it passes through the object it's trying to destroy and does little damage.
Which is why armor peircing bullets are not the best type of bullets to use on people...It passes through them.

A slug for it to be effective must be dence enough to be shot into the target but slows down once it hits or gets inside the target.
That's why hallow points are effective ageints people.

The same concept goes for ships....If the slug you fire on a ship is shots too fast, it shot through the ship...You want a slug that can peirce throught the hull and blow up inside.

A drednaught slug is made to hit ships without the slug shooting out through the ship and doing little damage. It hits the ship, brakes up on impact, slows down inside and blows the ship up.

That is not the case of a thanix gun or reaper gun. It design to pierce through,  not give heavy impacts. It design to shot a beam extremely hot moltlen metal at a much fast rate then a drednaught shoots it slug though ships and use the heat of the beam of molton metal to destory the ship.

It's like a laser being shot through a person and the heat of the beam burns the person to death. That  why it looks like beam when fired.


This is an issue of effectivity of ammounitions

Before you claim something like that

That is not the case of a thanix gun or reaper gun. It design to
pierce through,  not give heavy impacts. It design to shot a beam
extremely hot moltlen metal at a much fast rate then a drednaught shoots
it slug though ships and use the heat of the beam of molton metal to
destory the ship.

Prove that liquid are more piercing than a chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.

Also that claim is complete rubbish. You do not understand physics.
You don't know what "heat" is. You don't know what "kinetic energy" is.

Oh dear god...It's not about what pierces better.

Even if one peirce better, it matter not if the slug passed through the ship. You can take a drednaught slug and shoot it super fast, but if it's so fast it passes throught the ship, it not an effective weapon. A slug must slow down enough after impact to do major damage.


It's not rubbish..This is how ammunitions work. Ask any gunman and they would tell you the same thing.

The thanix cannon is not a weapon about impact power ..That's why it can be put on any ship of any size. It's about the power it has to piercing and what the slug does after it pierces into the target.

Solid object  will alway pierce better then liquid, but the issue of using a solid as ammunition is that it may go too fast and passs through what it's being shot at with out doing much danage.

Thanix weapon ignores impact  for pierce power. There is no care if the shoots passed through the object it's fired on. Because it's shot as a heated beam of molten metal, the beam pierces throught the object and it's destroyed by wthe beams heat.

This is a tactic to go ageinst kinetic sheild being that they are designed to take heavy impacts on ships. It made so that the super fast shots of the cannon aftereffects of passing through the object that is being fired on is not a counter but an assist...For it to be able to burn the ship with a super hot beam.





Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but does not the codex entry clearly state that the beam emitted by a thanix cannon solidifies when it's fired, thereby rendering this whole argument moot? 

But it does not say it fully cools afteit solidifes. Even solid, it stays super heated. Which is my point. The idea is to pierce with a countinued beam of super heated metal and to use heat to damage the taget. That's why it can be put on any size ship and be effective. It's not about impact power, it's about what happens after it hits. Even reaper cannon fire works the same...
http://masseffect.wi...er_Capabilities
Even if the target is hardened, as in the case of a surface-based missile silo, the gun can instead bury the target beneath molten metal. 

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So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.


Not exactly, this time.

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.

Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.
But, of course "Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore". Image IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB

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Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

@Maxster_

Your not getting it...It not about simple kinetic energy with ammunitions. It's about effectivity.

A slug is not effect based on impact alone, it's effect based on what happen after impact. If a slug goes too fast and it passes through the object it's trying to destroy and does little damage.
Which is why armor peircing bullets are not the best type of bullets to use on people...It passes through them.

A slug for it to be effective must be dence enough to be shot into the target but slows down once it hits or gets inside the target.
That's why hallow points are effective ageints people.

The same concept goes for ships....If the slug you fire on a ship is shots too fast, it shot through the ship...You want a slug that can peirce throught the hull and blow up inside.

A drednaught slug is made to hit ships without the slug shooting out through the ship and doing little damage. It hits the ship, brakes up on impact, slows down inside and blows the ship up.

That is not the case of a thanix gun or reaper gun. It design to pierce through,  not give heavy impacts. It design to shot a beam extremely hot moltlen metal at a much fast rate then a drednaught shoots it slug though ships and use the heat of the beam of molton metal to destory the ship.

It's like a laser being shot through a person and the heat of the beam burns the person to death. That  why it looks like beam when fired.


This is an issue of effectivity of ammounitions

Before you claim something like that

That is not the case of a thanix gun or reaper gun. It design to
pierce through,  not give heavy impacts. It design to shot a beam
extremely hot moltlen metal at a much fast rate then a drednaught shoots
it slug though ships and use the heat of the beam of molton metal to
destory the ship.

Prove that liquid are more piercing than a chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.

Also that claim is complete rubbish. You do not understand physics.
You don't know what "heat" is. You don't know what "kinetic energy" is.

Oh dear god...It's not about what pierces better.

Even if one peirce better, it matter not if the slug passed through the ship. You can take a drednaught slug and shoot it super fast, but if it's so fast it passes throught the ship, it not an effective weapon. A slug must slow down enough after impact to do major damage.


It's not rubbish..This is how ammunitions work. Ask any gunman and they would tell you the same thing.

The thanix cannon is not a weapon about impact power ..That's why it can be put on any ship of any size. It's about the power it has to piercing and what the slug does after it pierces into the target.

Solid object  will alway pierce better then liquid, but the issue of using a solid as ammunition is that it may go too fast and passs through what it's being shot at with out doing much danage.

Thanix weapon ignores impact  for pierce power. There is no care if the shoots passed through the object it's fired on. Because it's shot as a heated beam of molten metal, the beam pierces throught the object and it's destroyed by wthe beams heat.

This is a tactic to go ageinst kinetic sheild being that they are designed to take heavy impacts on ships. It made so that the super fast shots of the cannon aftereffects of passing through the object that is being fired on is not a counter but an assist...For it to be able to burn the ship with a super hot beam.



*megaton facepalm*

And here we go for another round of nonsensical bull****.

You do not know physics at all. You can not even read. You do not understand what kinetic weapon is.

Thanix

The Thanix's core is a liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The molten METAL, ACCELERATED to a SIGNIFICANT FRACTION of the SPEED OF LIGHT, SOLIDIFIES INTO A PROJECTILE AS IT IS FIRED, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor. The gun can fire reliably every five seconds. The weapon's relatively small size allows it to be mounted on most fighters or frigates, including the Normandy SR-2, and gives them firepower rivaling cruisers.


Thanix, comrade, is a KINETIC WEAPON. With additional damage, from heat.

ALSO, form of projectiles is already mentioned in the codex.

 Weapons: Mass Accelerators

Mass accelerators propel solid metal slugs via electromagnetic attraction and repulsion. A slug lightened by a mass effect field can be accelerated to extremely high speeds, permitting previously unattainable projectile velocities.

The primary determinant of a mass accelerator's destructive power is length. The longer the barrel, the longer the slug can be accelerated, the higher the slug's final velocity, and therefore the greater its kinetic impact. SLUGS ARE DESIGNED TO SQUASH OR SHATTER ON IMPACT, INCREASING THE ENERGY THEY TRANSFER TO ITS TARGET. Without collapsibility, slugs would punch through their targets while inflicting only minimal damage.

Rather than being mounted on the exterior, starship guns are housed inside hulls and visible only as gun portholes from outside.

A ship's main gun is a large spinal-mount weapon running 90% of the hull's length. While possessing destructive power equal to that of tactical nuclear weapons, main guns are difficult to aim. Because ships must be able to point their bows almost directly at their targets, main guns are best used for long-range "bombardment" fire.

Approximately 40% of the hull's width, broadside guns inflict less damage and can be mounted with greater numbers and more flexibility. The modern human Kilimanjaro-class dreadnoughts mount three decks with 26 broadside accelerators apiece for a total salvo weight of 78 slugs per side, firing once every two seconds.

However, mass accelerators produce recoil equal to their impact energy. While the mass effect fields suspending the rounds mitigate the recoil, recoil shock can still rattle crews and damage systems.

Still not getting it. It's not a weapon that only uses and depends on impact  to damage. If that were so it could not be used on any ship.

It only uses inpact and force to pierce it's target. It uses the heat of the beam of metal fired at the object to take out the object it's fired on.

And it says in the very codex of Mass Accelerators ...
"Without collapsibility, slugs would punch through their targets while inflicting only minimal damage."

Your not getting the a thanix cannon and reaper cannon are nothe same a regular Mass Accelerator cannon.

It's design to bypass Sheilds. It does so with beams of super heated metal pierced through the ship and the heat of said metal destroyng ship.

Ammunition is about what happens after impact, not  the speed of what's being shot.

Modifié par dreman9999, 06 octobre 2012 - 06:56 .


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Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.


Not exactly, this time.

I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics," when he himself is the only one introducing the topics. He's turning people into straw men, and then actually manages to **** up the physics he tries to throw back at them. Here's a thought Max, Dreadnought rounds only mass 20 kilograms. Are you really trying to argue that the massive, relatively slow-moving thanix shots that are so much better are only 20 kilograms?

Or am I missing some redeeming quality about what he's doing?

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Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.

Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.
But, of course "Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore".

I'm not the one here saying armor piercing tips work the same as hallow tips.

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Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.

Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.
But, of course "Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore". Image IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB


You and Dean were having an awesome discussion. I think I'll revise my headcanon and take some of those awesome points you guys brought up into consideration the next time I think about warfare against the Reapers.

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.


Not exactly, this time.

I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics," when he himself is the only one introducing the topics. He's turning people into straw men, and then actually manages to **** up the physics he tries to throw back at them. Here's a thought Max, Dreadnought rounds only mass 20 kilograms. Are you really trying to argue that the massive, relatively slow-moving thanix shots that are so much better are only 20 kilograms?

Or am I missing some redeeming quality about what he's doing?

Thank you. I been telling him for pages the thanix cannon slugs are not the same thing as drednaught slugs and don't have the same end impact.

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.


Not exactly, this time.

I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics," when he himself is the only one introducing the topics. He's turning people into straw men, and then actually manages to **** up the physics he tries to throw back at them. Here's a thought Max, Dreadnought rounds only mass 20 kilograms. Are you really trying to argue that the massive, relatively slow-moving thanix shots that are so much better are only 20 kilograms?

Or am I missing some redeeming quality about what he's doing?


Actually, his attacks have basically shifted to his argument with Dreman. Didn't say it was redeeming, but it was actually starting to move beyond that phase for once. Don't ruin my fun.

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Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.

Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.
But, of course "Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore". Image IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB

I was actually referring to the fact that all of this spread from you not realizing that the Protheans blew up a star. Specifically, you tried like hell to change the topic by abusing people.

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.

Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.
But, of course "Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore". Image IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB

I was actually referring to the fact that all of this spread from you not realizing that the Protheans blew up a star. Specifically, you tried like hell to change the topic by abusing people.


Ohhhh I remember that now. I see where you're coming from.

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Urdnot Amenark wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

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Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but does not the codex entry clearly state that the beam emitted by a thanix cannon solidifies when it's fired, thereby rendering this whole argument moot? 

Specify, please.  If you are asking me, of course. :D


You pretty much capitalized it. Just thought I'd point that out since his argument was getting pretty circular.

He is using circular logic, now it is second time.
From there.

M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game,
that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot
impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M:
Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those
explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?! :huh:


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Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.

The weapon the Reapers fire from beneath their "mouths" is significantly less effective than the shots they fire from their "tentacles." This has it's place in the lore too, as the longer the barrel, the faster the projectile (since all mass effect projectiles are moved by coil guns).

That may have been your point, but whoever it was, they're correct.

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.

Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.
But, of course "Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore". Image IPBImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB

I was actually referring to the fact that all of this spread from you not realizing that the Protheans blew up a star. Specifically, you tried like hell to change the topic by abusing people.

I was not trying to change the topic. We were dicussing probability of use by the reapers such sun blowing. With Dean_The_Young. And conventional tactics.

I'm just was not in the mood for another rounded of dreman's nonsensical mumbling. :D

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Maxster_ wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...



Forgive me if I'm wrong here, but does not the codex entry clearly state that the beam emitted by a thanix cannon solidifies when it's fired, thereby rendering this whole argument moot? 

Specify, please.  If you are asking me, of course. :D


You pretty much capitalized it. Just thought I'd point that out since his argument was getting pretty circular.

He is using circular logic, now it is second time.
From there.

M: Harbringer is not using his main gun, because it is shown in game,
that there was no explosion of that magnitude. Reaper main gun shot
impact is 80kt explosion.

D: No, he used his main gun.

M:
Look, there is videos of much smaller explosion, 15-20kt. Even those
explosions will completely annihilate everyone in that offensive.

D: He just hit indirectly, and because of that he survives.

M: But Shepard well be completely annihilated along with everyone else, by much smaller scale explosions, direct hit or not.

D: There is no such explosions shown in game, because of that Harbringer used his main gun and Shepard survives.

M: Dafuq?! :huh:



And you keep missing the fact the reaper cannon fire and thanix cannon fire are pirced based...There would be no explosion.

It's a beam of super heated matal moving a speeds to pierce a ship.

Think an impact of a armor piering bullet. Impact for ammuntionis based on the slug shot and what it hits, not it's speed alone.

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.


Not exactly, this time.

I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics," when he himself is the only one introducing the topics. He's turning people into straw men, and then actually manages to **** up the physics he tries to throw back at them. Here's a thought Max, Dreadnought rounds only mass 20 kilograms. Are you really trying to argue that the massive, relatively slow-moving thanix shots that are so much better are only 20 kilograms?

Or am I missing some redeeming quality about what he's doing?

Prove that statement with my posts.
I attacked only dreman, because, obviously, he doesn't knows anything about physics.

Also prove your assertion about "relatively slower".

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MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...
Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.

The weapon the Reapers fire from beneath their "mouths" is significantly less effective than the shots they fire from their "tentacles." This has it's place in the lore too, as the longer the barrel, the faster the projectile (since all mass effect projectiles are moved by coil guns).

That may have been your point, but whoever it was, they're correct.

Sovereign

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren Arterius. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At TWO KILOMETER LONG, ITS SPINAL-MOUNTED MAIN GUN is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.

The prevailing opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others believe it is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin. The attack on Eden Prime demonstrated Sovereign's ability to generate mass effect fields powerful enough to land on a planetary surface. This implies it has a massive element zero core, and the ability to generate staggering amounts of power.

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Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...
Yeah, sure :D Dreman said, that "indirect hit" of something like that, was enough for Shepard to survive Harbringer's main gun shot.

The weapon the Reapers fire from beneath their "mouths" is significantly less effective than the shots they fire from their "tentacles." This has it's place in the lore too, as the longer the barrel, the faster the projectile (since all mass effect projectiles are moved by coil guns).

That may have been your point, but whoever it was, they're correct.

Sovereign

Sovereign is the flagship of the rogue Spectre Saren Arterius. An enormous dreadnought larger than any other ship in any known fleet, Sovereign is crewed with both geth and krogan. At TWO KILOMETER LONG, ITS SPINAL-MOUNTED MAIN GUN is likely capable of penetrating another dreadnought's kinetic barriers with a single shot.

The prevailing opinion is that Sovereign is a geth construct, while others believe it is a Prothean relic. Its design, however, hints at a more alien and mysterious origin. The attack on Eden Prime demonstrated Sovereign's ability to generate mass effect fields powerful enough to land on a planetary surface. This implies it has a massive element zero core, and the ability to generate staggering amounts of power.

Your mising the factthat is the same gun that enispire the design of the thanix cannon which can be put on any ship. It's just like every reaper cannon that can one shop any ship in mass effect 3. And the cannon fire are all seen as beams.

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Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.


Not exactly, this time.

I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics," when he himself is the only one introducing the topics. He's turning people into straw men, and then actually manages to **** up the physics he tries to throw back at them. Here's a thought Max, Dreadnought rounds only mass 20 kilograms. Are you really trying to argue that the massive, relatively slow-moving thanix shots that are so much better are only 20 kilograms?

Or am I missing some redeeming quality about what he's doing?

Prove that statement with my posts.
I attacked only dreman, because, obviously, he doesn't knows anything about physics.

Which statement?

Also prove your assertion about "relatively slower".

It has travel time. In particular, focus on the cut right before it impacts. That's very slow compared rounds we see fired in the ME1 cutscene with Sovereign, and about equal with the thanix shots we see fired during the ME3 final battle.

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[quote]MyChemicalBromance wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]MyChemicalBromance wrote...

[quote]Urdnot Amenark wrote...

[quote]MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.[/quote]

Not exactly, this time.

[/quote]
I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics," when he himself is the only one introducing the topics. He's turning people into straw men, and then actually manages to **** up the physics he tries to throw back at them. Here's a thought Max, Dreadnought rounds only mass 20 kilograms. Are you really trying to argue that the massive, relatively slow-moving thanix shots that are so much better are only 20 kilograms?

Or am I missing some redeeming quality about what he's doing?[/quote]
Prove that statement with my posts.
I attacked only dreman, because, obviously, he doesn't knows anything about physics.
[/quote]
Which statement?
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I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics.
It is your lie. Because I "attacked" only dreman.

Lies, you know, is not an arguments :D
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Also prove your assertion about "relatively slower".
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It has travel time. In particular, focus on the cut right before it impacts. That's very slow compared rounds we see fired in the ME1 cutscene with Sovereign, and about equal with the thanix shots we see fired during the ME3 final battle.
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LOL :D
So you are showing me video, that directly CONTRADICTS the codex, and calling that "proof" :D

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Maxster_ wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

So from what I can gather, Maxter got called out on not knowing the lore, and now he's trying to compensate by talking out of his ass about things above his paygrade.


Not exactly, this time.

I see three pages of him attacking other users for not understanding "physics," when he himself is the only one introducing the topics. He's turning people into straw men, and then actually manages to **** up the physics he tries to throw back at them. Here's a thought Max, Dreadnought rounds only mass 20 kilograms. Are you really trying to argue that the massive, relatively slow-moving thanix shots that are so much better are only 20 kilograms?

Or am I missing some redeeming quality about what he's doing?

Prove that statement with my posts.
I attacked only dreman, because, obviously, he doesn't knows anything about physics.

Also prove your assertion about "relatively slower".

An you clearly don't know anything about ammunitions.You keep going on about the speed of an object being shot but that is not the intrest of that. It's a interst of what happens after impact. It matter not if an object is going super fast, if it pass through and objet and does little damage it's not effect. Even the codex says this.

The slug has to be made to slow dow after impact to make a big impact. That's how hallow points work.
The thanix cannon and reaper connon shots arenot made to make heavy impacts, it's made to pierce.