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[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...
Key note significant fration of the speed of light at time of fire. The speed of something when fire is not the speed of an object when it's hit an object.

And object fire starts to slow down the moment it's fired.

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That is gibberish.

[/quote]That's an object in motion stays in motion till it reachand equal and opposete force. That your physic your screaming about.
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That's not "mine" physics. That's everyone's physics. That is a lot of proven scientific theories, that comes under that definition.
But, well, irrelevant to the point.
[quote]Key note significant fration of the speed of light at time of fire. The
speed of something when fire is not the speed of an object when it's hit
an object.
[/quote]
This is gibberish. I can't translate that.
[quote]And object fire starts to slow down the moment it's fired.[/quote]
And this is false. Space is empty. And atmosphere(Earth atmosphere) take like 20% speed of kinetic projectile, thus lowering kinetic energy of the impact by that amount.
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I'm talk about a object in ftl. It would get dramaictly slower but it will slow down. Something moving at flt or near ftl will slow down because of it mass and near by particals. It would slow to a crawl but it won't be in ftl for very long.

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What?! FTL speed is a FASTER THAN LIGHT SPEED. How something THAT IS FASTER THAN LIGHT can be at a FRACTION OF LIGHT'S SPEED?:o:O:O:O

What that nonsense is about at all? What it has to do with KINETIC WEAPONS from Mass Effect? Like a Earth Alliance dreadnought's projectile which is 4000 km/s, which is 1.3%(a fraction) of the LIGHT'S SPEED?
[/quote]My point is that the projectile would not be as fast as you claining it to be. The codex stated the thanix cannon fired near fraction of the sppen of light. My point is that object can slow down in space but not dramiticly. Even if it is a faction of the speed of light. You also have to count distance as well. 

And stop saying a slug form a drednought is the same as a thanix cannon. If your going by the barreir size of the cannon for impact than that would mean a thanix cannon would not be possibly to pierce reaper kinatic sheilds.

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Why are you so uneducated?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat

Heat is a function of fluctuating atoms. The faster atoms fluctuate, the higher temperature of the matter is. The slower atoms fluctuate, the lower temperature of matter is. To the point of complete stop at Absolute Zero, -273.15 Celsius.
http://en.wikipedia....i/Absolute_zero


http://en.wikipedia....State_of_matter

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States of matter are the distinct forms that different phases of matter take on. Three states of matter are known in everyday experience: solid, liquid, and gas. Other states are possible; in scientific work, the plasma state is important. Further states are possible but do not normally occur in our environment: Bose-Einstein condensates, neutron stars. Other states, such as quark-gluon plasmas, are believed to be possible. Much of the baryonic matter of the universe is in the form of hot plasma, both as rarefied interstellar medium and as dense stars.[/quote]
Do you know what atmosphere is? It is gases, third state "Gas" from states of matter. Particles.
Phase transition is a process of changing state of matter
[quote]
A state of matter is also characterised by phase transitions.
A phase transition indicates a change in structure and can be
recognized by an abrupt change in properties. A distinct state of matter
can be defined as any set of states distinguished from any other set of states by a phase transition. Water can be said to have several distinct solid states.[1] The appearance of superconductivity is associated with a phase transition, so there are superconductive states. Likewise, ferromagnetic
states are demarcated by phase transitions and have distinctive
properties. When the change of state occurs in stages the intermediate
steps are called mesophases. Such phases have been exploited by the introduction of liquid crystal technology.[/quote]
Density of atmosphere is different on different heights. Because of gravitation. Solar radiation(electromagnetic waves) hits parcticles, they get more energy and thus fluctuating faster, and get break away from Earth gravity well in higher layers of Earth Atmosphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
http://en.wikipedia....netic_radiation
Solar radiation is also contains a lot of particles, and electromagnetic waves. Photon wave's length define can we see it with our eyes or don't.

Well, that's beside the point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction
Friction is the force resisting the relative motion of solid surfaces, fluid layers, and material elements sliding against each other. There are several types of friction

http://en.wikipedia....Fluid_mechanics
Fluid mechanics is the branch of physics that studies fluids (liquids, gases, and plasmas) and the forces on them. Fluid mechanics can be divided into fluid statics, the study of fluids at rest; fluid kinematics, the study of fluids in motion; and fluid dynamics, the study of the effect of forces on fluid motion. It is a branch of continuum mechanics, a subject which models matter without using the information that it is made out of atoms, that is, it models matter from a macroscopic viewpoint rather than from a microscopic viewpoint. Fluid mechanics, especially fluid dynamics, is an active field of research with many unsolved or partly solved problems. Fluid mechanics can be mathematically complex. Sometimes it can best be solved by numerical methods, typically using computers. A modern discipline, called computational fluid dynamics (CFD), is devoted to this approach to solving fluid mechanics problems. Also taking advantage of the highly visual nature of fluid flow is particle image velocimetry, an experimental method for visualizing and analyzing fluid flow.


http://en.wikipedia..../Fluid_dynamics
In physics, fluid dynamics is a sub-discipline of fluid mechanics that deals with fluid flow—the natural science of fluids (liquids and gases) in motion. It has several subdisciplines itself, including aerodynamics (the study of air and other gases in motion) and hydrodynamics (the study of liquids in motion). Fluid dynamics has a wide range of applications, including calculating forces and moments on aircraft, determining the mass flow rate of petroleum through pipelines, predicting weather patterns, understanding nebulae in interstellar space and reportedly modeling fission weapon detonation. Some of its principles are even used in traffic engineering, where traffic is treated as a continuous fluid.

http://en.wikipedia..../Drag_(physics)
In fluid dynamics, drag (sometimes called air resistance or fluid resistance) refers to forces which act on a solid object in the direction of the relative fluid flow velocity.[/url]  Unlike other resistive forces, such as dry friction, which is nearly independent of velocity, drag forces depend on velocity.[5]
Drag forces always decrease fluid velocity relative to the solid object in the fluid's [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathline]path.
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Space is [mostly] empty there is no application for a fluid dynamics, unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT.
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There is no gas friction if there is no gas. And thus, speed of kinetic projectiles will not change.
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Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

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BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

And object fire starts to slow down the moment it's fired.

You clearly don't understand physics in space.
Did you not listen to that guy shouting about Newton in ME2?

Slow down does not mean stop. An object in motion says in motion to it reaches an equal or opposite force. AKA, shot an arrow forward and it drop.


And object , even in space can go to slower spped of ftl over time. And object continues to go forward in space but not at the same speed as it starts. That justmeans it keeps moving.

"Space is empty, if you fire this thing, it keeps going until it hits something! That might be a ship, or the planet behind that ship. It might go off into space and hit something in TEN THOUSAND YEARS."

Firing anything in space unless it was greatly affected the gravitational pull of something(like say, a sun) would remain at the speed it was fired at.

My arguemtment is based in near light, post -light and faster then light speeds.

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It's never used at a distace. It's used in cloes range because that's the only range they are effective.
http://masseffect.wi...er_Capabilities

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree. The difficulty is getting close enough to use them

The normady 's thanix cannons fire look differnt because it use two berrels.

Its never used. Period. A reaper can be taken down by 4 dreadnoughts. each dreadnought has the firepower of 4 cruisers.
The firepower from one thanix cannon is comprable to a cruiser. Essentially if you have at least 16 thanix cannons(minimum size) you can kill a sovereign class reaper.
Thanix have greater range than either of those yet still, aren't used.

There is no scene, in either me2 or 3 where a non-Normandy uses a thanix cannon. Whether its the normandy or not, the design would not change, the weapon's firing appearance would not change. The fact its double barreled would simply give it greater punch.
I wouldn't trust that codex entry either, if i were you. it mentions that Reapers outrange everything and hit with incredibly precision, yet in-game they have horrible aim and need to be quite close.

Modifié par BerzerkGene, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:31 .


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Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D

Modifié par Maxster_, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:28 .


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Maxster_ wrote...

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


You could have just quoted newton drill sergent again. He says 1-1.3%

Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest Son of a **** in space.

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BerzerkGene wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


You could have just quoted newton drill sergent again. He says 1-1.3%

Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest Son of a **** in space.

I'm cited various fields of physics that describe why exactly speed of a kinetic projectile, will not slow in space.
Well, i tried to help him :o
Damn I knew that when i had 2 years  to finish the school(7-8 class). I don't know how a adult(doubtable now) sentient being can be so uneducated, that's not 19th century :D

Modifié par Maxster_, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:35 .


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Maxster_ wrote...

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


I talk about the speed of fire for the thanix cannon and some how you taking about drednought fire?

Let me say it agein....

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.
Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Thanix cannon.

Please...bring up drednaught fire speed agein when I'm taking about thanix cannon fire speeds.

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BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


It's never used at a distace. It's used in cloes range because that's the only range they are effective.
http://masseffect.wi...er_Capabilities

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree. The difficulty is getting close enough to use them

The normady 's thanix cannons fire look differnt because it use two berrels.

Its never used. Period. A reaper can be taken down by 4 dreadnoughts. each dreadnought has the firepower of 4 cruisers.
The firepower from one thanix cannon is comprable to a cruiser. Essentially if you have at least 16 thanix cannons(minimum size) you can kill a sovereign class reaper.
Thanix have greater range than either of those yet still, aren't used.

There is no scene, in either me2 or 3 where a non-Normandy uses a thanix cannon. Whether its the normandy or not, the design would not change, the weapon's firing appearance would not change. The fact its double barreled would simply give it greater punch.
I wouldn't trust that codex entry either, if i were you. it mentions that Reapers outrange everything and hit with incredibly precision, yet in-game they have horrible aim and need to be quite close.

Again, the fire has to be close. It not effective at far range with reaper sheilds.

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Maxster_ wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


You could have just quoted newton drill sergent again. He says 1-1.3%

Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest Son of a **** in space.

I'm cited various fields of physics that describe why exactly speed of a kinetic projectile, will not slow in space.
Well, i tried to help him :o
Damn I knew that when i had 2 years  to finish the school(7-8 class). I don't know how a adult(doubtable now) sentient being can be so uneducated, that's not 19th century :D

Well i thought it was obvious, but yeah, i studied physics and stuff too, so maybe its not.

Not that unusual, some people think the world is 2012 years old. Or 5000. Rather than the actual age, because...i don't know, they can't comprehend science maybe.
Oooh, or that people can walk on the sun.
Or that mass effect 3 had a good ending.
Just nonsense like that.

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dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


I talk about the speed of fire for the thanix cannon and some how you taking about drednought fire?

Let me say it agein....

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.
Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Thanix cannon.

Please...bring up drednaught fire speed agein when I'm taking about thanix cannon fire speeds.

Your "arguments" are based on your ignorance, and unwillingness to learn.
Projectiles do not SLOW in space.
There is NO GAS in space.
There is NO FRICTION in space.

1.3% IS NOT NEAR 100%. 95% IS.

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BerzerkGene wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


You could have just quoted newton drill sergent again. He says 1-1.3%

Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest Son of a **** in space.

I'm cited various fields of physics that describe why exactly speed of a kinetic projectile, will not slow in space.
Well, i tried to help him :o
Damn I knew that when i had 2 years  to finish the school(7-8 class). I don't know how a adult(doubtable now) sentient being can be so uneducated, that's not 19th century :D

Well i thought it was obvious, but yeah, i studied physics and stuff too, so maybe its not.

Not that unusual, some people think the world is 2012 years old. Or 5000. Rather than the actual age, because...i don't know, they can't comprehend science maybe.
Oooh, or that people can walk on the sun.
Or that mass effect 3 had a good ending.
Just nonsense like that.

Well, at least in Soviet Union we had excellent education on school and university level.
Well, had, and now with Putin we don't :unsure:

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dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


I talk about the speed of fire for the thanix cannon and some how you taking about drednought fire?

Let me say it agein....

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.
Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Thanix cannon.

Please...bring up drednaught fire speed agein when I'm taking about thanix cannon fire speeds.

"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.

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BerzerkGene wrote...
Well i thought it was obvious, but yeah, i studied physics and stuff too, so maybe its not.

Not that unusual, some people think the world is 2012 years old. Or 5000. Rather than the actual age, because...i don't know, they can't comprehend science maybe.
Oooh, or that people can walk on the sun.
Or that mass effect 3 had a good ending.
Just nonsense like that.

Well, at least in Soviet Union we had excellent education on school and university level.
Well, had, and now with Putin we don't :unsure:

Yeah, met quite a few well-educated russians during this whole ending debacle, including someone studying to be a mathematician.
Well putin kinda sucks...can't someone just kill him? I know thats harsh but its the fastest way.

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Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


I talk about the speed of fire for the thanix cannon and some how you taking about drednought fire?

Let me say it agein....

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.
Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Thanix cannon.

Please...bring up drednaught fire speed agein when I'm taking about thanix cannon fire speeds.

Your "arguments" are based on your ignorance, and unwillingness to learn.
Projectiles do not SLOW in space.
There is NO GAS in space.
There is NO FRICTION in space.

1.3% IS NOT NEAR 100%. 95% IS.

1. You stating drednaught fire speed not thanix fire speed. Please sorce thanix fire speed.Because we're not talking about drednaught fire speeds.

2. Near light, port light and faster then light speed do slow in space .

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BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


I talk about the speed of fire for the thanix cannon and some how you taking about drednought fire?

Let me say it agein....

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.
Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Thanix cannon.

Please...bring up drednaught fire speed agein when I'm taking about thanix cannon fire speeds.

"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.

Nothing says it's nowwhere near.  Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.

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It's never used at a distace. It's used in cloes range because that's the only range they are effective.
http://masseffect.wi...er_Capabilities

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree. The difficulty is getting close enough to use them

The normady 's thanix cannons fire look differnt because it use two berrels.

Its never used. Period. A reaper can be taken down by 4 dreadnoughts. each dreadnought has the firepower of 4 cruisers.
The firepower from one thanix cannon is comprable to a cruiser. Essentially if you have at least 16 thanix cannons(minimum size) you can kill a sovereign class reaper.
Thanix have greater range than either of those yet still, aren't used.

There is no scene, in either me2 or 3 where a non-Normandy uses a thanix cannon. Whether its the normandy or not, the design would not change, the weapon's firing appearance would not change. The fact its double barreled would simply give it greater punch.
I wouldn't trust that codex entry either, if i were you. it mentions that Reapers outrange everything and hit with incredibly precision, yet in-game they have horrible aim and need to be quite close.

Again, the fire has to be close. It not effective at far range with reaper sheilds.

Why wouldn't it be? It would hit with the same force no matter the range. It might require more power to sustain the elctromagnetic field, but nowhere except in that codex entry does it say anything regarding the range. Even the thanix's entry for itself it does not mention range.
The reaper's main weapon is a scaled up version of the thanix, they have quite the range, so it all seems to be a question of power.

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Well i thought it was obvious, but yeah, i studied physics and stuff too, so maybe its not.

Not that unusual, some people think the world is 2012 years old. Or 5000. Rather than the actual age, because...i don't know, they can't comprehend science maybe.
Oooh, or that people can walk on the sun.
Or that mass effect 3 had a good ending.
Just nonsense like that.

Well, at least in Soviet Union we had excellent education on school and university level.
Well, had, and now with Putin we don't :unsure:

Yeah, met quite a few well-educated russians during this whole ending debacle, including someone studying to be a mathematician.
Well putin kinda sucks...can't someone just kill him? I know thats harsh but its the fastest way.

Well, i finished university 10 years ago, and i forgot much of physics. Like details of quantuum mechanics, or parts of mathematical physics.
Well, soon you won't meet young educated russians anymore. He just finished murdering our education system.
As for putin... People are jailed or paying a fine just for public critique, sometimes. Well, that's not a story for such a cozy forum.

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Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


I talk about the speed of fire for the thanix cannon and some how you taking about drednought fire?

Let me say it agein....

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.
Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Thanix cannon.

Please...bring up drednaught fire speed agein when I'm taking about thanix cannon fire speeds.

Your "arguments" are based on your ignorance, and unwillingness to learn.
Projectiles do not SLOW in space.
There is NO GAS in space.
There is NO FRICTION in space.

1.3% IS NOT NEAR 100%. 95% IS.

1. You stating drednaught fire speed not thanix fire speed. Please sorce thanix fire speed.Because we're not talking about drednaught fire speeds.

2. Near light, port light and faster then light speed do slow in space .

You are basically saying, that thanix projectile is FASTER than projectile of a dreadnought. :D

As for

Near light, port light and faster then light speed do slow in space .

Nothing could be faster than a speed of light. In REALITY.

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"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.

Nothing says it's nowwhere near.  Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.

Ah but there isn't one, so you have to go from the wording. "Significant" means a decent chunk, but it would be less than 50% and likely less than 25% because phrases like "Nearly half" "Nearly a quarter" are not used, neither is "More than half" or "More than a quarter".

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You are basically saying, that thanix projectile is FASTER than projectile of a dreadnought. :D

As for

Near light, port light and faster then light speed do slow in space .

Nothing could be faster than a speed of light. In REALITY.

It, uh, probably is man. And it isn't reality. But the only thing that does allow FTL speeds are mass effect cores and individual projectiles do not have those.
Aside from that, a projectile that went faster than the speed of light...would be absurdly devastating. Even a 5g pebble would smash its way straight through an asteroid(assuming it didn't just disintergrate).

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Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.

You are ignorant, and don't want to learn
Speed of light
http://en.wikipedia..../Speed_of_light
The speed of light in vacuum, commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant important in many areas of physics. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact because the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second.

That means 299792 km/s
Speed of Earth Dreadnought's projectile id 4025 km/s.
4025/299792=0.013426
That means, that speed of Earth Alliance Dreadnought's projectile is 1.3426% of the speed of light.
And you telling me, that 1.3% is NEAR 100%? :D:D:D:D

P.S. Well, i tried to help you second time, but it is now obvious, that you don't want to be helped.
You are deliberately ignoring everything i said and posted about physics.
You DO NOT WANT to learn.
You prefer ignorance.
It is your choice, of course :D


I talk about the speed of fire for the thanix cannon and some how you taking about drednought fire?

Let me say it agein....

Key note "unless you close to the SPEED OF LIGHT" which is my point, My agumentis based in near light, post-light and faster then light speeds...Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.
Which is the realm of speen the thanix cannon fire is in.


Thanix cannon.

Please...bring up drednaught fire speed agein when I'm taking about thanix cannon fire speeds.

Your "arguments" are based on your ignorance, and unwillingness to learn.
Projectiles do not SLOW in space.
There is NO GAS in space.
There is NO FRICTION in space.

1.3% IS NOT NEAR 100%. 95% IS.

1. You stating drednaught fire speed not thanix fire speed. Please sorce thanix fire speed.Because we're not talking about drednaught fire speeds.

2. Near light, port light and faster then light speed do slow in space .

You are basically saying, that thanix projectile is FASTER than projectile of a dreadnought. :D

As for

Near light, port light and faster then light speed do slow in space .

Nothing could be faster than a speed of light. In REALITY.

1. Which is why it works as a  anti kinetic berrier weapon.

2. Your just sudden realizing your argueing over a fictional universe?

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BerzerkGene wrote...

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"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.

Nothing says it's nowwhere near.  Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.

Ah but there isn't one, so you have to go from the wording. "Significant" means a decent chunk, but it would be less than 50% and likely less than 25% because phrases like "Nearly half" "Nearly a quarter" are not used, neither is "More than half" or "More than a quarter".

No real spacifics are give so we can't say it not in the near fl speeds.

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dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.

Nothing says it's nowwhere near.  Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.

Ah but there isn't one, so you have to go from the wording. "Significant" means a decent chunk, but it would be less than 50% and likely less than 25% because phrases like "Nearly half" "Nearly a quarter" are not used, neither is "More than half" or "More than a quarter".

No real spacifics are give so we can't say it not in the near fl speeds.

Sure we can, it never says its anywhere near the speed of light, significant fraction does not imply something like 80/100

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BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...


"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.

Nothing says it's nowwhere near.  Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.

Ah but there isn't one, so you have to go from the wording. "Significant" means a decent chunk, but it would be less than 50% and likely less than 25% because phrases like "Nearly half" "Nearly a quarter" are not used, neither is "More than half" or "More than a quarter".

More funny that he is just said, that kinetic energy of the thanix projectile is 70 times more(if near is 90%), than Earth Alliance dreadnought's main gun(which is 38kt).
So, we now get
70*38=2,66 megaton explosion on impact.

And all that discussion started when he said, that "indirect hit" of Harbringer's main gun is what saved Shepard life. Just like that. Try to evade that :D


And now he is saying, that explosion was not 80-160kt(my minimum estimate of impact power of reaper, in codex stated that it is 130-450kt),
but frakking 2.6 mt explosion. :o

Several more increases, and we can shatter Earth. But Shepard, of course, will survive that :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BerzerkGene wrote...

"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.

Nothing says it's nowwhere near.  Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.

Ah but there isn't one, so you have to go from the wording. "Significant" means a decent chunk, but it would be less than 50% and likely less than 25% because phrases like "Nearly half" "Nearly a quarter" are not used, neither is "More than half" or "More than a quarter".

No real spacifics are give so we can't say it not in the near fl speeds.

Sure we can, it never says its anywhere near the speed of light, significant fraction does not imply something like 80/100

80/100 is not the only statement for near.