Modifié par dreman9999, 06 octobre 2012 - 03:42 .
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
Yup, anything over 75/100. But nowhere does it mention three quarters the speed of light.dreman9999 wrote...
80/100 is not the only statement for near.BerzerkGene wrote...
Sure we can, it never says its anywhere near the speed of light, significant fraction does not imply something like 80/100dreman9999 wrote...
No real spacifics are give so we can't say it not in the near fl speeds.BerzerkGene wrote...
Ah but there isn't one, so you have to go from the wording. "Significant" means a decent chunk, but it would be less than 50% and likely less than 25% because phrases like "Nearly half" "Nearly a quarter" are not used, neither is "More than half" or "More than a quarter".dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing says it's nowwhere near. Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.BerzerkGene wrote...
"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.
Well, if we install a big version of those dreman's thanix cannons on dreadnought, we can now shatter planets from volley of 80 dreadnoughts. Well, almostBerzerkGene wrote...
Yup, anything over 75/100. But nowhere does it mention three quarters the speed of light.dreman9999 wrote...
80/100 is not the only statement for near.BerzerkGene wrote...
Sure we can, it never says its anywhere near the speed of light, significant fraction does not imply something like 80/100dreman9999 wrote...
No real spacifics are give so we can't say it not in the near fl speeds.BerzerkGene wrote...
Ah but there isn't one, so you have to go from the wording. "Significant" means a decent chunk, but it would be less than 50% and likely less than 25% because phrases like "Nearly half" "Nearly a quarter" are not used, neither is "More than half" or "More than a quarter".dreman9999 wrote...
Nothing says it's nowwhere near. Ifyou want to make a point, give a stable number.BerzerkGene wrote...
"significant fraction of the speed of light"
Which is still nowhere near 100%. Significant would probably be anything from 15-25%.
It does not say half the speed of light or anything like that. So near light, does not apply, post light does not apply and faster than light does not apply.
Anyway, you know how fast that would be? It would be literally impossible to dodge it, range would mean nothing because the projectile would be so ridiculously fast. You could essentially hook the crucible up to an oversized thanix cannon and shoot down every reaper before they could fly within their firing range. Or use it for guerilla strikes.
Hey check it out, another way to win conventionally.
Just breaking crust and directly to the magma. :D
Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 06 octobre 2012 - 03:14 .
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
Relativistic effect is neglible on 1.3% of light speed.silentassassin264 wrote...
Dreman, stop arguing with him. He just brought up how things should act in classical mechanics when applied to a relativistic impact. He clearly has no clue what he is talking about.
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
They'rd shotting the molton metal at speeds fast enough to piece throught the target. It made to shot through. As the codex says...http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/ThanixMaxster_ wrote...
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
You do not understand what you are saying.
Liquid projectile from thanix rather squash than pierce. And standart slugs for any ME kinetic weapons are already designed that way(codex).
You are saying complete nonsence.dreman9999 wrote...
They'rd shotting the molton metal at speeds fast enough to piece throught the target. It made to shot through. As the codex says...http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/ThanixMaxster_ wrote...
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
You do not understand what you are saying.
Liquid projectile from thanix rather squash than pierce. And standart slugs for any ME kinetic weapons are already designed that way(codex).
The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.
It's going too fast to have it make a heavy impact. It shots throught the ship...The thing is the shot last long. It shoots as a beam. It like driving a heated sword through an object. The stap does one form of damage, the heat does another.
The front end goes at speeds that pierces throught the object, The fallowing a steam of molton metal withsame shot has it's head burns the target...it's like an incineray round.
You not getting that he molton metal is going fast enough to pierce the target.
We can make slugs that do the same thing but it would not be effective because it passes through the object. It doesnot matter the the thanix slugor reaper slug because it's with a long stream of super heated metal. It would be like a lazer beam of
In short the fire of a thanix cannon shots faster then adrednought cannon at the start of fire.
The fact of the matter is the reaper cannons are more effective because the shot is faster and hotter.
Modifié par Maxster_, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:09 .
You not getting it. It not about want Pierces better. It's about whats more effective after the shot. any object can pierce anything if it's going fast enough. The issue is what happen after. You not getting it.Maxster_ wrote...
You are saying complete nonsence.dreman9999 wrote...
They'rd shotting the molton metal at speeds fast enough to piece throught the target. It made to shot through. As the codex says...http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/ThanixMaxster_ wrote...
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
You do not understand what you are saying.
Liquid projectile from thanix rather squash than pierce. And standart slugs for any ME kinetic weapons are already designed that way(codex).
The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.
It's going too fast to have it make a heavy impact. It shots throught the ship...The thing is the shot last long. It shoots as a beam. It like driving a heated sword through an object. The stap does one form of damage, the heat does another.
The front end goes at speeds that pierces throught the object, The fallowing a steam of molton metal withsame shot has it's head burns the target...it's like an incineray round.
You not getting that he molton metal is going fast enough to pierce the target.
We can make slugs that do the same thing but it would not be effective because it passes through the object. It doesnot matter the the thanix slugor reaper slug because it's with a long stream of super heated metal. It would be like a lazer beam of
In short the fire of a thanix cannon shots faster then adrednought cannon at the start of fire.
The fact of the matter is the reaper cannons are more effective because the shot is faster and hotter.
You are telling that liquid metal are more piercing than chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.
This is nonsence. In reality, it is directly opposite.
So unless you prove me your assertion with formulaes... Or experiment.
But it is irrelevant. It is clear, that you have no idea what physics is, and refusing to learn.
So tell me, please, how exactly reapers bombed planets from orbit, destroying population centers, military bases and well, everything that they saw fit.
dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. It not about want Pierces better. It's about whats more effective after the shot. any object can pierce anything if it's going fast enough. The issue is what happen after. You not getting it.Maxster_ wrote...
You are saying complete nonsence.dreman9999 wrote...
They'rd shotting the molton metal at speeds fast enough to piece throught the target. It made to shot through. As the codex says...http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/ThanixMaxster_ wrote...
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
You do not understand what you are saying.
Liquid projectile from thanix rather squash than pierce. And standart slugs for any ME kinetic weapons are already designed that way(codex).
The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.
It's going too fast to have it make a heavy impact. It shots throught the ship...The thing is the shot last long. It shoots as a beam. It like driving a heated sword through an object. The stap does one form of damage, the heat does another.
The front end goes at speeds that pierces throught the object, The fallowing a steam of molton metal withsame shot has it's head burns the target...it's like an incineray round.
You not getting that he molton metal is going fast enough to pierce the target.
We can make slugs that do the same thing but it would not be effective because it passes through the object. It doesnot matter the the thanix slugor reaper slug because it's with a long stream of super heated metal. It would be like a lazer beam of
In short the fire of a thanix cannon shots faster then adrednought cannon at the start of fire.
The fact of the matter is the reaper cannons are more effective because the shot is faster and hotter.
You are telling that liquid metal are more piercing than chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.
This is nonsence. In reality, it is directly opposite.
So unless you prove me your assertion with formulaes... Or experiment.
But it is irrelevant. It is clear, that you have no idea what physics is, and refusing to learn.
So tell me, please, how exactly reapers bombed planets from orbit, destroying population centers, military bases and well, everything that they saw fit.
Reaper cannons and thanix cannon are about getting a beam of molton super hot metal throught the ship of a continued time, long enough to for the heat of it to burn and melt the target..
Of course a solid objet would pierce better if it shot at the same speed the thanix cannon shots it's slug..But it would be ineffective because it would past throught the ship doing little damage.
A reaper cannon shot and a thanix cannon shot is like having a super heat sword stab into an object and keep there of a time to do extra damage.
Using a reglular slug at the speed of a thanix shot or reaper cannon shot would just pass Through the ship.
And you alsosaying endless beam of super hot metal shot on a would will not do damage? Imagine what doing that with laser would do...It's the same case as that with the reaper guns. The bombing burned those worlds.
I'm using a lazer as an example. I'm not saying its a lazer. I'm saying it's a weapon shots a super hot beam shot through an object and the heat of the beam is used to destroy it.Maxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. It not about want Pierces better. It's about whats more effective after the shot. any object can pierce anything if it's going fast enough. The issue is what happen after. You not getting it.Maxster_ wrote...
You are saying complete nonsence.dreman9999 wrote...
They'rd shotting the molton metal at speeds fast enough to piece throught the target. It made to shot through. As the codex says...http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/ThanixMaxster_ wrote...
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
You do not understand what you are saying.
Liquid projectile from thanix rather squash than pierce. And standart slugs for any ME kinetic weapons are already designed that way(codex).
The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.
It's going too fast to have it make a heavy impact. It shots throught the ship...The thing is the shot last long. It shoots as a beam. It like driving a heated sword through an object. The stap does one form of damage, the heat does another.
The front end goes at speeds that pierces throught the object, The fallowing a steam of molton metal withsame shot has it's head burns the target...it's like an incineray round.
You not getting that he molton metal is going fast enough to pierce the target.
We can make slugs that do the same thing but it would not be effective because it passes through the object. It doesnot matter the the thanix slugor reaper slug because it's with a long stream of super heated metal. It would be like a lazer beam of
In short the fire of a thanix cannon shots faster then adrednought cannon at the start of fire.
The fact of the matter is the reaper cannons are more effective because the shot is faster and hotter.
You are telling that liquid metal are more piercing than chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.
This is nonsence. In reality, it is directly opposite.
So unless you prove me your assertion with formulaes... Or experiment.
But it is irrelevant. It is clear, that you have no idea what physics is, and refusing to learn.
So tell me, please, how exactly reapers bombed planets from orbit, destroying population centers, military bases and well, everything that they saw fit.
Reaper cannons and thanix cannon are about getting a beam of molton super hot metal throught the ship of a continued time, long enough to for the heat of it to burn and melt the target..
Of course a solid objet would pierce better if it shot at the same speed the thanix cannon shots it's slug..But it would be ineffective because it would past throught the ship doing little damage.
A reaper cannon shot and a thanix cannon shot is like having a super heat sword stab into an object and keep there of a time to do extra damage.
Using a reglular slug at the speed of a thanix shot or reaper cannon shot would just pass Through the ship.
And you alsosaying endless beam of super hot metal shot on a would will not do damage? Imagine what doing that with laser would do...It's the same case as that with the reaper guns. The bombing burned those worlds.
You don't know what laser is. You don't know how laser interacts with atmosphere.
http://orbitalvector...termeasures.htm
Now tell me, how reapers bombed worlds from orbit. Which they did a plenty of time, i'd say regularily.
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm using a lazer as an example. I'm not saying its a lazer. I'm saying it's a weapon shots a super hot beam shot through an object and the heat of the beam is used to destroy it.Maxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. It not about want Pierces better. It's about whats more effective after the shot. any object can pierce anything if it's going fast enough. The issue is what happen after. You not getting it.Maxster_ wrote...
You are saying complete nonsence.dreman9999 wrote...
They'rd shotting the molton metal at speeds fast enough to piece throught the target. It made to shot through. As the codex says...http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/ThanixMaxster_ wrote...
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
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Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
You do not understand what you are saying.
Liquid projectile from thanix rather squash than pierce. And standart slugs for any ME kinetic weapons are already designed that way(codex).
The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.
It's going too fast to have it make a heavy impact. It shots throught the ship...The thing is the shot last long. It shoots as a beam. It like driving a heated sword through an object. The stap does one form of damage, the heat does another.
The front end goes at speeds that pierces throught the object, The fallowing a steam of molton metal withsame shot has it's head burns the target...it's like an incineray round.
You not getting that he molton metal is going fast enough to pierce the target.
We can make slugs that do the same thing but it would not be effective because it passes through the object. It doesnot matter the the thanix slugor reaper slug because it's with a long stream of super heated metal. It would be like a lazer beam of
In short the fire of a thanix cannon shots faster then adrednought cannon at the start of fire.
The fact of the matter is the reaper cannons are more effective because the shot is faster and hotter.
You are telling that liquid metal are more piercing than chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.
This is nonsence. In reality, it is directly opposite.
So unless you prove me your assertion with formulaes... Or experiment.
But it is irrelevant. It is clear, that you have no idea what physics is, and refusing to learn.
So tell me, please, how exactly reapers bombed planets from orbit, destroying population centers, military bases and well, everything that they saw fit.
Reaper cannons and thanix cannon are about getting a beam of molton super hot metal throught the ship of a continued time, long enough to for the heat of it to burn and melt the target..
Of course a solid objet would pierce better if it shot at the same speed the thanix cannon shots it's slug..But it would be ineffective because it would past throught the ship doing little damage.
A reaper cannon shot and a thanix cannon shot is like having a super heat sword stab into an object and keep there of a time to do extra damage.
Using a reglular slug at the speed of a thanix shot or reaper cannon shot would just pass Through the ship.
And you alsosaying endless beam of super hot metal shot on a would will not do damage? Imagine what doing that with laser would do...It's the same case as that with the reaper guns. The bombing burned those worlds.
You don't know what laser is. You don't know how laser interacts with atmosphere.
http://orbitalvector...termeasures.htm
Now tell me, how reapers bombed worlds from orbit. Which they did a plenty of time, i'd say regularily.
And what do no get about the dangers of super hot metal as a weapon. Beams of that used to bomb a world would super heat the area it 's shot at. It would make the area it's shot at a furnace...It would be like lava droping from the shy?
You saying a weapon that like shotting lava at near light speed to bomb a world is not effective?
First of all you missing the case of the density of an object. Your forgetting that it an object moveing fast enough it can pass through an object. It has to slow down on inpact to make a devistating impact to that object. A shot object is not going to explode just because it hit something. That's why armor piercing slugs and hallow tip slup make different impacts.Maxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
I'm using a lazer as an example. I'm not saying its a lazer. I'm saying it's a weapon shots a super hot beam shot through an object and the heat of the beam is used to destroy it.Maxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it. It not about want Pierces better. It's about whats more effective after the shot. any object can pierce anything if it's going fast enough. The issue is what happen after. You not getting it.Maxster_ wrote...
You are saying complete nonsence.dreman9999 wrote...
They'rd shotting the molton metal at speeds fast enough to piece throught the target. It made to shot through. As the codex says...http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/ThanixMaxster_ wrote...
Prove that liquid is more penetrating than chunk of metal of the same mass and same speed.dreman9999 wrote...
Are you say a hallow tip bullet will do the same type of impact as an armor piercing bullet? Because that is what your basicly saying.Maxster_ wrote...
You do not undertand physics. You are unwilling to learn.dreman9999 wrote...
@Maxster_
Agein , not once have we seen the blast from a reaper fire make a blast that you think it will do. Reaper fire is piercing damage from a beam of heated metal, not a heavy impact shot. The design of the slug defines how the impact will be, not only it's speed.
Their is the difference between armor point shells and hallow point shells. Drednaught shells are made to have a heavy impact, not reaper or thanix cannon shells.
You prefer ignorance.
What you said is complete nonsense. You don't know even basics.
http://en.wikipedia....astic_collision
An inelastic collision, in contrast to an elastic collision, is a collision in which kinetic energy is not conserved.
In collisions of macroscopic bodies, some kinetic energy is turned into vibrational energy of the atoms, causing a heating effect, and the bodies are deformed.
...
Inelastic collisions may not conserve kinetic energy, but they do obey conservation of momentum. Simple ballistic pendulum problems obey the conservation of kinetic energy only when the block swings to its largest angle.
http://en.wikipedia....linear_momentum
In classical mechanics, linear momentum or translational momentum (pl. momenta; SI unit kg m/s, or, equivalently, N s) is the product of the mass and velocity
of an object. For example, a heavy truck moving fast has a large
momentum—it takes a large and prolonged force to get the truck up to
this speed, and it takes a large and prolonged force to bring it to a
stop afterwards. If the truck were lighter, or moving slower, then it
would have less momentum.
...
In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant. This fact, known as the law of conservation of momentum, is implied by Newton's laws of motion.
...
Application to collisions
By itself, the law of conservation of momentum is not enough to determine the motion of particles after a collision. Another property of the motion, Kinetic energy, must be known. This is not necessarily conserved. If it is conserved, the collision is called an elastic collision; if not, it is an inelastic collision.
You looking way too much at the speed of said shot object. With ammunition it matter not how fast it goes, it's about what happens after impact.
You do not understand what you are saying.
Liquid projectile from thanix rather squash than pierce. And standart slugs for any ME kinetic weapons are already designed that way(codex).
The molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired, hitting targets with enough force to pierce any known shield or armor.
It's going too fast to have it make a heavy impact. It shots throught the ship...The thing is the shot last long. It shoots as a beam. It like driving a heated sword through an object. The stap does one form of damage, the heat does another.
The front end goes at speeds that pierces throught the object, The fallowing a steam of molton metal withsame shot has it's head burns the target...it's like an incineray round.
You not getting that he molton metal is going fast enough to pierce the target.
We can make slugs that do the same thing but it would not be effective because it passes through the object. It doesnot matter the the thanix slugor reaper slug because it's with a long stream of super heated metal. It would be like a lazer beam of
In short the fire of a thanix cannon shots faster then adrednought cannon at the start of fire.
The fact of the matter is the reaper cannons are more effective because the shot is faster and hotter.
You are telling that liquid metal are more piercing than chunk of metal of the same mass and speed.
This is nonsence. In reality, it is directly opposite.
So unless you prove me your assertion with formulaes... Or experiment.
But it is irrelevant. It is clear, that you have no idea what physics is, and refusing to learn.
So tell me, please, how exactly reapers bombed planets from orbit, destroying population centers, military bases and well, everything that they saw fit.
Reaper cannons and thanix cannon are about getting a beam of molton super hot metal throught the ship of a continued time, long enough to for the heat of it to burn and melt the target..
Of course a solid objet would pierce better if it shot at the same speed the thanix cannon shots it's slug..But it would be ineffective because it would past throught the ship doing little damage.
A reaper cannon shot and a thanix cannon shot is like having a super heat sword stab into an object and keep there of a time to do extra damage.
Using a reglular slug at the speed of a thanix shot or reaper cannon shot would just pass Through the ship.
And you alsosaying endless beam of super hot metal shot on a would will not do damage? Imagine what doing that with laser would do...It's the same case as that with the reaper guns. The bombing burned those worlds.
You don't know what laser is. You don't know how laser interacts with atmosphere.
http://orbitalvector...termeasures.htm
Now tell me, how reapers bombed worlds from orbit. Which they did a plenty of time, i'd say regularily.
And what do no get about the dangers of super hot metal as a weapon. Beams of that used to bomb a world would super heat the area it 's shot at. It would make the area it's shot at a furnace...It would be like lava droping from the shy?
You saying a weapon that like shotting lava at near light speed to bomb a world is not effective?
You do realise, what nonsense you are saying?
You just said that Thanix cannon is like 70 times more powerful than standart dreadnought cannon.
Earth Alliance Dreadnought shots projectiles at speed of 4025 km/s, 1.3% of light's speed. Making a 38kt impact.
90% lightspeed(near lightspeed) makes that and 2.6 megaton impact.
You are saying that Reaper main gun penetetrates through any obstacle including planets bombed from orbit ?
Modifié par dreman9999, 07 octobre 2012 - 01:30 .
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all you missing the case of the density of an object. Your forgetting that it an object moveing fast enough it can pass through an object. It has to slow down on inpact to make a devistating impact to that object. A shot object is not going to explode just because it hit something. That's why armor piercing slugs and hallow tip slup make different impacts.Maxster_ wrote...
You do realise, what nonsense you are saying?
You just said that Thanix cannon is like 70 times more powerful than standart dreadnought cannon.
Earth Alliance Dreadnought shots projectiles at speed of 4025 km/s, 1.3% of light's speed. Making a 38kt impact.
90% lightspeed(near lightspeed) makes that and 2.6 megaton impact.
You are saying that Reaper main gun penetetrates through any obstacle including planets bombed from orbit ?
A drednaught makes a 38 kt impact because of what happens when it slows down and it's made to brake up on impact.
If the shell is not made to break up, the explosion has less expansion, or no expansion in the object it hits because it passed throught that object...Aka, it's too fast to stop in side the object.
Heavy impact with ammuntion is about what happen when the slug stops moving...Not about how fast it's shot.
And yes I am saying the thanix cannon and reaper cannon shots slugs faster then a drednaught. That's the reason it's an anti kinetic sheild weapon.
And Im not sayng the cannon shots through planets....I'm saying the shot is going so fast, what every impact it will make id extremely deep under the planets surface.
:pinched::pinched::D:D:D:D
Well,http://masseffect.wi...wiki/BekensteinMaxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all you missing the case of the density of an object. Your forgetting that it an object moveing fast enough it can pass through an object. It has to slow down on inpact to make a devistating impact to that object. A shot object is not going to explode just because it hit something. That's why armor piercing slugs and hallow tip slup make different impacts.Maxster_ wrote...
You do realise, what nonsense you are saying?
You just said that Thanix cannon is like 70 times more powerful than standart dreadnought cannon.
Earth Alliance Dreadnought shots projectiles at speed of 4025 km/s, 1.3% of light's speed. Making a 38kt impact.
90% lightspeed(near lightspeed) makes that and 2.6 megaton impact.
You are saying that Reaper main gun penetetrates through any obstacle including planets bombed from orbit ?
A drednaught makes a 38 kt impact because of what happens when it slows down and it's made to brake up on impact.
If the shell is not made to break up, the explosion has less expansion, or no expansion in the object it hits because it passed throught that object...Aka, it's too fast to stop in side the object.
Heavy impact with ammuntion is about what happen when the slug stops moving...Not about how fast it's shot.
And yes I am saying the thanix cannon and reaper cannon shots slugs faster then a drednaught. That's the reason it's an anti kinetic sheild weapon.
And Im not sayng the cannon shots through planets....I'm saying the shot is going so fast, what every impact it will make id extremely deep under the planets surface.
So, those immense powerful shots breaking Earth's crust and causes and magma eruption? Earthquakes? Waking up supervolcanoes?
Modifié par dreman9999, 07 octobre 2012 - 02:06 .
It is perfectly there. Just with no existing infrastructure.dreman9999 wrote...
Well,http://masseffect.wi...wiki/BekensteinMaxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all you missing the case of the density of an object. Your forgetting that it an object moveing fast enough it can pass through an object. It has to slow down on inpact to make a devistating impact to that object. A shot object is not going to explode just because it hit something. That's why armor piercing slugs and hallow tip slup make different impacts.Maxster_ wrote...
You do realise, what nonsense you are saying?
You just said that Thanix cannon is like 70 times more powerful than standart dreadnought cannon.
Earth Alliance Dreadnought shots projectiles at speed of 4025 km/s, 1.3% of light's speed. Making a 38kt impact.
90% lightspeed(near lightspeed) makes that and 2.6 megaton impact.
You are saying that Reaper main gun penetetrates through any obstacle including planets bombed from orbit ?
A drednaught makes a 38 kt impact because of what happens when it slows down and it's made to brake up on impact.
If the shell is not made to break up, the explosion has less expansion, or no expansion in the object it hits because it passed throught that object...Aka, it's too fast to stop in side the object.
Heavy impact with ammuntion is about what happen when the slug stops moving...Not about how fast it's shot.
And yes I am saying the thanix cannon and reaper cannon shots slugs faster then a drednaught. That's the reason it's an anti kinetic sheild weapon.
And Im not sayng the cannon shots through planets....I'm saying the shot is going so fast, what every impact it will make id extremely deep under the planets surface.
So, those immense powerful shots breaking Earth's crust and causes and magma eruption? Earthquakes? Waking up supervolcanoes?
[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">In ], [/color]Diana Allers[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] forces because of its industrial infrastructure, even though the factories there only produce commercial items such as binoculars. Instead of landing ground forces to harvest Bekenstein's organic population, the Reapers choose to bombard it from orbit.[/color]
Bekenstein is not longer there for a reason..
And a massive amount of shot like this would do that.
Prove it. Allers say in game the planet is gone.Maxster_ wrote...
It is perfectly there. Just with no existing infrastructure.dreman9999 wrote...
Well,http://masseffect.wi...wiki/BekensteinMaxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all you missing the case of the density of an object. Your forgetting that it an object moveing fast enough it can pass through an object. It has to slow down on inpact to make a devistating impact to that object. A shot object is not going to explode just because it hit something. That's why armor piercing slugs and hallow tip slup make different impacts.Maxster_ wrote...
You do realise, what nonsense you are saying?
You just said that Thanix cannon is like 70 times more powerful than standart dreadnought cannon.
Earth Alliance Dreadnought shots projectiles at speed of 4025 km/s, 1.3% of light's speed. Making a 38kt impact.
90% lightspeed(near lightspeed) makes that and 2.6 megaton impact.
You are saying that Reaper main gun penetetrates through any obstacle including planets bombed from orbit ?
A drednaught makes a 38 kt impact because of what happens when it slows down and it's made to brake up on impact.
If the shell is not made to break up, the explosion has less expansion, or no expansion in the object it hits because it passed throught that object...Aka, it's too fast to stop in side the object.
Heavy impact with ammuntion is about what happen when the slug stops moving...Not about how fast it's shot.
And yes I am saying the thanix cannon and reaper cannon shots slugs faster then a drednaught. That's the reason it's an anti kinetic sheild weapon.
And Im not sayng the cannon shots through planets....I'm saying the shot is going so fast, what every impact it will make id extremely deep under the planets surface.
So, those immense powerful shots breaking Earth's crust and causes and magma eruption? Earthquakes? Waking up supervolcanoes?
[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">In ], [/color]Diana Allers[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] forces because of its industrial infrastructure, even though the factories there only produce commercial items such as binoculars. Instead of landing ground forces to harvest Bekenstein's organic population, the Reapers choose to bombard it from orbit.[/color]
Bekenstein is not longer there for a reason..
And a massive amount of shot like this would do that.
Fly to a system where planet is and look at it.dreman9999 wrote...
Prove it. Allers say in game the planet is gone.Maxster_ wrote...
It is perfectly there. Just with no existing infrastructure.dreman9999 wrote...
Well,http://masseffect.wi...wiki/BekensteinMaxster_ wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
First of all you missing the case of the density of an object. Your forgetting that it an object moveing fast enough it can pass through an object. It has to slow down on inpact to make a devistating impact to that object. A shot object is not going to explode just because it hit something. That's why armor piercing slugs and hallow tip slup make different impacts.Maxster_ wrote...
You do realise, what nonsense you are saying?
You just said that Thanix cannon is like 70 times more powerful than standart dreadnought cannon.
Earth Alliance Dreadnought shots projectiles at speed of 4025 km/s, 1.3% of light's speed. Making a 38kt impact.
90% lightspeed(near lightspeed) makes that and 2.6 megaton impact.
You are saying that Reaper main gun penetetrates through any obstacle including planets bombed from orbit ?
A drednaught makes a 38 kt impact because of what happens when it slows down and it's made to brake up on impact.
If the shell is not made to break up, the explosion has less expansion, or no expansion in the object it hits because it passed throught that object...Aka, it's too fast to stop in side the object.
Heavy impact with ammuntion is about what happen when the slug stops moving...Not about how fast it's shot.
And yes I am saying the thanix cannon and reaper cannon shots slugs faster then a drednaught. That's the reason it's an anti kinetic sheild weapon.
And Im not sayng the cannon shots through planets....I'm saying the shot is going so fast, what every impact it will make id extremely deep under the planets surface.
So, those immense powerful shots breaking Earth's crust and causes and magma eruption? Earthquakes? Waking up supervolcanoes?
[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">In ], [/color]Diana Allers[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)"> ] forces because of its industrial infrastructure, even though the factories there only produce commercial items such as binoculars. Instead of landing ground forces to harvest Bekenstein's organic population, the Reapers choose to bombard it from orbit.[/color]
Bekenstein is not longer there for a reason..
And a massive amount of shot like this would do that.
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