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[dreman9999]

Getorex wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

But it's not so clear cut. The catalyst goal is to only do it's programing.Though it maybe using you to do it, the truth is it place it's fate to you. It gives you the abilty to destory it or enslave it.

It not us being turned into a tool, it just it giving up the fight in the end.

Dremen9999, if it was giving up the fight it would probably - you know - give up the fight.

Not compel us to do one last nightmarish chore for it, at its comand, in service of its agenda.

At no point does it say: 'Well, you got me.  I'll be going.'

It says: 'Hey stupid.  I'm trying to save the universe.  Now you do it by choosing one of the horrible options I present for you as my 'solution'.

Then you choose one.

Then the universe gets changed in a way that answers the Reaper's problem, and proves Shepard to be willing to sacrifice his/her core morality.

You mean just stopping the reaper...It can't. The catalyst is a shackled machine doing what it's programed to do. It can't stop the reaper because of it programing ...You have to override it.
That what all the 3 choices do.
It fallowing it's programing is the very reason why you given the chance to stop the reapers, because it can't choose any of the 3 option. It can't destroy it self, it can't rewrite it self, and it need Shep's body as a sample in synthesis. This is just like EDI having joker unshackle her.
Added,the catalyst does not want destory or control.

The fact that is gave control of it's fate to you means it stop fighting. It's letting you stop it.

Stopping a Reaper (or a thousand Reapers) is easy if one simply carries forward from game lore.  Eezo and dark energy manipulation, as explained and used in the game gives you the ultimate weapon for wiping out Reapers quite handily.  Someone in another thread brought this up and I have to agree (don't recall who it was):

Use element zero to negate the mass of, say, a 15 km wide rock.  Accelerate the rock out of an eezo cannon at superluminal speed into a Reaper.  Done.  See, a rock that size accelerated to lightspeed and beyond carries more than enough energy to pulverize an entire planet.  It will make easy work of a mere Reaper. 

"Fire!" BOOOF! Vapors.  "Fire!" BOOOF! More vapors.  Rinse and repeat.  Kicked-ass on the Reapers right there using basic physics of eezo as explained in the game.

You do realizr that is the normal weapon we use anyway that that is stated to not work on the reaper sheilds in the codex right?

Added, you think the reapers would  let you build that?

[Getorex]

Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

I saying that the world is not absolute. Just because a peron save people does not mean inthe furture they stay so. Heck, we may find a fire fighter who save live goes home and abuse his kids.

Im not say the cahnge will sudden happen just becaus, just the event of life can change how a person feels an acts.
Hell, in ww2 we call russia allies and later we find ourselves fighting a giganitc cold war for decades. Our country stated out seeing britian as enemies , now they are our closest allies.

That how the world can change. It all based on perspective. The world is not black or white , differnet shades of grays. Some grays are darker, some are lighter...But all greys.

But you are saying the world is absolute.  You have specifically said that no heroes or villains exist and yet they do.  Of course, people are all fallible and make mistakes.  But for every firefighter who may do his job and go home and abuse his kids, there is a huge number who do not.  Your biggest problem is you don't see that good and bad can exist and be all-consuming in people.

But one thing is clear, in this game you are given certainties.  I'm not saying that a paragon might not change his/her mind, but I am saying that one would have to have a darn good reason to.  That means that in order to do something diametrically opposed to his/her character, that paragon would have to be sure s/he is not fating the galaxy to something far worse than death.  None of the choices give that assurance at all.  It's not only about morality, but it's about logic as well.

If I have to shoot ten people so that fifty will live, but I have no idea what fate I've given them, shooting ten people is meaningless.  Shooting them at all goes against a paragon's morality as I have said-Shepard said it and lived by those actions.  Shepard said you don't condemn a whole race to extinction base on what might happen.  That means that given these choices based on something Shepard would not see as inevitable, Shepard could not act upon them without at least some certainty.  Synthesis is a form of extinction-it destroys the organic body.  Control is a form of extinction-it destroys some of the heart and the mind, in that again the path to the future is dictated by reapers.  Destroy is a form of extinction-it destroys the heart and soul, as represented by Legion's sacrifice.

I'm sorry you live in such a sad, gray world.  I live in one where gray does exist, but along the way there are flashes of color where people do strive to do real good.  Some fail, and some are bad people.  But some are also truly good people all around.  And some of the most decent people all ways around have given their lives for others in true heroism.  If you don't know that exists, again I'm sorry.

[dreman9999]

Getorex wrote...

Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

The reaper did not know we had the crucible. Use your tactic one and the reaper will have a counter plan for it to make it useless. Added, the reaper can just move out of the way.

The other pointyou mising is that we don't have mass effect drives strong or large enough to make this one shot weapon.

[Xilizhra]

drayfish wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Firstly I don't want him to 'win' because my Shepard would never mutate, massacre, or dominate the rest of the galaxy against their will. Secondly, I don't want him to 'win' because everything that he advocates is sick and intollerant and ignorant. I do not want him to 'win' by being proven right.

Brad Pitt guns that serial killer down. It is not a victory. He has sacrificed his morality, and proved a lunatic correct about the darkness in the human soul.

Maybe it's not an optimal victory, but the serial killer is no longer a threat, and who cares about what he thinks anyway? The important thing was stopping him, and that was accomplished. Ditto for the Catalyst. What the Catalyst thinks is irrelevant to me, whether it approves of my solution or not. The important thing is stopping the Reapers in the best manner possible.

And if we have sarcificed all of our morality and our ideals then what were we fighting for all along?  Just survival?  Just the right to keep breathing?

Wow, that's bleak.

If that were true than none of the moral choices we've made up to that point would be relevant at all.  We would be living in an existential vacuum in which life would be utterly devalued.  If we aren't living for anything, then what does any of it matter?  We may as well let the Reapers win, because all that would ultimately separates us is self-interest.

I prefer to believe that there was a point to all that inclusivity and hope - beyond just climbing over their corpses to save ourselves.

We have no proof of any intrinsic "meaning" in this universe. We make our own meaning, and can hardly do so if we're dead. I personally have never sacrificed any of my morality or my ideals; my morality is to seek the best possible outcome with the tools given to me, for the greatest number of people. Nothing more, nothing less. While it may be a risk to try Control, I dislike genocide, and will make my decision based partially on hope, yes. For what else is Paragon?

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...
You do realizr that is the normal weapon we use anyway that that is stated to not work on the reaper sheilds in the codex right?

Added, you think the reapers would  let you build that?

You need to read Reaper Vulnerabilities.

Reapers have kinetic barriers that are reduced significantly when their mass is reduced.  Dark Energy manipulates mass effect fields which can lower mass and reduce the kinetic barriers.  Their barriers are also not resistant to temperature extremes, radiation, or toxins.

[V-rcingetorix]

An excellent moral question, OP. Why does a renegade Shepard get the same ending as a paragon Shepard? Is it implying there are NO moral decisions to make in the game? But then, why are the moral decisions (well written, mostly) used at all for 2.9 games in the Mass Effect series?

Shouldn't the renegade receive a dictators crown while the Paragon rides off into the sunset with LI and a white hat?

[AlanC9]

drayfish wrote...
And if we have sarcificed all of our morality and our ideals then what were we fighting for all along?  Just survival?  Just the right to keep breathing?

Wow, that's bleak.

I'm not sure about the "we" there. Note that the people of the galaxy are not surrendering their morality and ideals. They have nothing to do with Shepard's decision, even though they benefit from it.

So is Shepard abandoning morality and ideals? Depends on his morality and ideals, doesn't it? Maybe he is.

"Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right" -- Isaac Asimov. (I think that's one of Salvor Hardin's lines.)

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:26 .

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

The reaper did not know we had the crucible. Use your tactic one and the reaper will have a counter plan for it to make it useless. Added, the reaper can just move out of the way.

The other pointyou mising is that we don't have mass effect drives strong or large enough to make this one shot weapon.

Actually, we do have a huge dark energy device-the original purpose of the crucible and what Shepard said in ME3 it was being used for when s/he talked to Conrad.

[Getorex]

I'd like to also bury the idea some have that at the end of the EC nonsense when all the relays are gone that galactic civilization can continue pretty well on just FTL.

No it cannot. It cannot anymore than modern earth civilization could function if suddenly it became impossible to cross the oceans with cargo or people except by sailboats like the Santa Maria. Or cross continents by horse-drawn carriage. Our civilization today absolutely REQUIRES fast travel over land and over sea. Hours, not weeks, not days. The more you have globalization the worse the dependency becomes.

Now, on a galactic scale:

Mass Effect's galactic civilization was entirely dependent upon instantaneous travel all over the galaxy via relays. It doesn't take years to go from Earth to Tuchanka, it takes days to weeks (real time). Without the relays, only extremely local interstellar civilization is possible.

Take Earth. It is 25,000 light years from the center of the galaxy. Obviously, if you were traveling at lightspeed directly it would take you 25,000 years to get to the core. To you onboard it would feel instantaneous but to your waiting girlfriend...well, she's long dead and the species possibly extinct by then. OK, you say, they have FTL travel. OK, exactly how much faster than light can one travel? When the Normandy is zipping along in FTL is it doing 5x lightspeed? 10x? OK, let's say it can pull off 10x.

The center of the galaxy (and your girlfriend) is 2.366x10^17 km away. At 10x lightspeed that means as far as your waiting girlfriend is concerned, it will only take you 2500 years instead of the lightspeed 25,000 years. She's still long since dust when you get there.

So, say you want to go from earth to ANYWHERE on the other side of the galaxy to the cool planets over there. That's where you find Tuchanka, Thessia, etc. It is FARTHER than the center of the galaxy away. You can't do it. It's over (galactic civilization and trade). Planetary systems that are fairly close together can do some slow trade and exchange but people aren't going to be vacationing on each other's planets. Game over. There's no way to have the galactic civilization with FTL. Or is someone going to do something silly and say that the amount over the speed of light one can travel is arbitarily high? If that's the case then the relays were silly and useless. I ca make an FTL flight at some arbitrarily high rate so that I get from earth to Tuchanka in minutes. It would be faster than using relays! So why EVER have used the relays?

The end of the game is NOT just a hiccup in galactic civilization. It is the END of it.

[3DandBeyond]

AlanC9 wrote...

drayfish wrote...
And if we have sarcificed all of our morality and our ideals then what were we fighting for all along?  Just survival?  Just the right to keep breathing?

Wow, that's bleak.

I'm not sure about the "we" there. Note that the people of the galaxy are not surrendering their morality and ideals. They have nothing to do with Shepard's decision, even though they benefit from it.

So is Shepard abandoning morality and ideals? Depends on his morality and ideals, doesn't it? Maybe he is.

"Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right" -- Isaac Asimov. (I think that's one of Salvor Hardin's lines.)

Here's some other ones from Salvor Hardin--
"An atom-blaster is a good weapon, but it can point both ways."
"A fire-eater must eat fire even if he has to kindle it himself."
"To succeed, planning alone is insufficient. One must improvise as well."
"Only a lie that wasn't ashamed of itself could possibly succeed."
"Nothing has to be true, but everything has to sound true."

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:39 .

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I saying that the world is not absolute. Just because a peron save people does not mean inthe furture they stay so. Heck, we may find a fire fighter who save live goes home and abuse his kids.

Im not say the cahnge will sudden happen just becaus, just the event of life can change how a person feels an acts.
Hell, in ww2 we call russia allies and later we find ourselves fighting a giganitc cold war for decades. Our country stated out seeing britian as enemies , now they are our closest allies.

That how the world can change. It all based on perspective. The world is not black or white , differnet shades of grays. Some grays are darker, some are lighter...But all greys.

But you are saying the world is absolute.  You have specifically said that no heroes or villains exist and yet they do.  Of course, people are all fallible and make mistakes.  But for every firefighter who may do his job and go home and abuse his kids, there is a huge number who do not.  Your biggest problem is you don't see that good and bad can exist and be all-consuming in people.

But one thing is clear, in this game you are given certainties.  I'm not saying that a paragon might not change his/her mind, but I am saying that one would have to have a darn good reason to.  That means that in order to do something diametrically opposed to his/her character, that paragon would have to be sure s/he is not fating the galaxy to something far worse than death.  None of the choices give that assurance at all.  It's not only about morality, but it's about logic as well.

If I have to shoot ten people so that fifty will live, but I have no idea what fate I've given them, shooting ten people is meaningless.  Shooting them at all goes against a paragon's morality as I have said-Shepard said it and lived by those actions.  Shepard said you don't condemn a whole race to extinction base on what might happen.  That means that given these choices based on something Shepard would not see as inevitable, Shepard could not act upon them without at least some certainty.  Synthesis is a form of extinction-it destroys the organic body.  Control is a form of extinction-it destroys some of the heart and the mind, in that again the path to the future is dictated by reapers.  Destroy is a form of extinction-it destroys the heart and soul, as represented by Legion's sacrifice.

I'm sorry you live in such a sad, gray world.  I live in one where gray does exist, but along the way there are flashes of color where people do strive to do real good.  Some fail, and some are bad people.  But some are also truly good people all around.  And some of the most decent people all ways around have given their lives for others in true heroism.  If you don't know that exists, again I'm sorry.

I'm saying the only abolute is the everyone is differnent. You can look out your window and see this. There is not where were people think the same,act the same, and are the same.

I'm not say good people and bad people don't exsist. I'm saying there actions ae not always seen as good or bad. It based on perspective.

"But one thing is clear, in this game you are given certainties.  I'm not saying that a paragon might not change his/her mind, but I am saying that one would have to have a darn good reason to.  That means that in order to do something diametrically opposed to his/her character, that paragon would have to be sure s/he is not fating the galaxy to something far worse than death."

How is the destroy option worse than death? And with control it's a question of a beleif of you self. Only syntheis has this issue.

"If I have to shoot ten people so that fifty will live, but I have no idea what fate I've given them, shooting ten people is meaningless.  Shooting them at all goes against a paragon's morality as I have said-Shepard said it and lived by those actions.  Shepard said you don't condemn a whole race to extinction base on what might happen.  That means that given these choices based on something Shepard would not see as inevitable, Shepard could not act upon them without at least some certainty.  "

That's no differnent then what you been doing before on virmire, bring downthe shy, the citadel choice, the geth choice, and tuchanka. You saying you don't think you should decide the fate of peopel live, but you do many times over. Your issue is that people may or will dies becasue of the choice you make but you made many choice like this before.

Destory option is not a case of comdeming a race to death because of what may happen. It an act of saving who you can. You know the only way to save thegalexy is to use the crucible AND IF YOU DON'T EVERYONE WILL DIE.

It a case of daming the few to save the many, not killing of a race becasus many they case future problems... That was the choice on rennoch, not the end of the game.

Destroy is a choice of daming the few to save the many, just like the citadel choice, just like the geth choice, just like the bring down the sky choice, and the tuchancka choice.

"I'm sorry you live in such a sad, gray world.  I live in one where gray does exist, but along the way there are flashes of color where people do strive to do real good.  Some fail, and some are bad people.  But some are also truly good people all around.  And some of the most decent people all ways around have given their lives for others in true heroism.  If you don't know that exists, again I'm sorry."

I understand that you beleive that people exsist that do real good, I'm not dis****ing that, but the lable of good is based on perspective. Not everyone has the same defination of good. Some ones good can be some ones evil.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

The reaper did not know we had the crucible. Use your tactic one and the reaper will have a counter plan for it to make it useless. Added, the reaper can just move out of the way.

The other pointyou mising is that we don't have mass effect drives strong or large enough to make this one shot weapon.

Actually, we do have a huge dark energy device-the original purpose of the crucible and what Shepard said in ME3 it was being used for when s/he talked to Conrad.

It's made to realese energy, not change mass. And it took a massive amounts recorces to make it. Something that expensive  to be planned to be a weapon hat does very limited damage to the enemy doesnot work as a one shot weapon. IT ONLY WORLD AS IT ORIGINALLY IS.

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:40 .

[dreman9999]

V-rcingetorix wrote...

An excellent moral question, OP. Why does a renegade Shepard get the same ending as a paragon Shepard? Is it implying there are NO moral decisions to make in the game? But then, why are the moral decisions (well written, mostly) used at all for 2.9 games in the Mass Effect series?

Shouldn't the renegade receive a dictators crown while the Paragon rides off into the sunset with LI and a white hat?

That not how the world works. Some of themost ruthless people are called heros.

[Little Princess Peach]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Honestly, full renegade Shepard gets a perfect ending an ending that more closesly aligns with the renegade options presented throughout the series. He removes all synthetics and even survives. Unfortunatey, paragon Shepard can't make an ending decision without making a violation of morals, from genocide, to forced change, to totalitarian order. Isn't this kinda unfair towards most paragon Shepards?

The only genocide options are control, synthesis(sorta) and refuse.

Destroy is the only paragon or renegade choice. The rest are just...

You didn't use genocide right. In Control and Synthesis nobody but Shepard dies, in Destroy synthetic life dies, and in Refuse everyone dies.

it's like a party for emo's, you don't know which parcel will explode until you click it shoot it jump into it or eletricute ur sen.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

The reaper did not know we had the crucible. Use your tactic one and the reaper will have a counter plan for it to make it useless. Added, the reaper can just move out of the way.

The other pointyou mising is that we don't have mass effect drives strong or large enough to make this one shot weapon.

Actually, we do have a huge dark energy device-the original purpose of the crucible and what Shepard said in ME3 it was being used for when s/he talked to Conrad.

It's made to realese energy, not change mass.

But dark energy does that when manipulated by eezo, of which the crucible uses a lot. 

From the wiki:

Dark energy is manipulated using the extremely rare material element zero. When subjected to powerful electrical currents, element zero releases dark energy that can be harnessed to create mass effect fields,
effectively raising or lowering the relative mass of all objects within
the field.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You do realizr that is the normal weapon we use anyway that that is stated to not work on the reaper sheilds in the codex right?

Added, you think the reapers would  let you build that?

You need to read Reaper Vulnerabilities.

Reapers have kinetic barriers that are reduced significantly when their mass is reduced.  Dark Energy manipulates mass effect fields which can lower mass and reduce the kinetic barriers.  Their barriers are also not resistant to temperature extremes, radiation, or toxins.

That means that the sheild don't work as well planet side, not ageints astroides.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

V-rcingetorix wrote...

An excellent moral question, OP. Why does a renegade Shepard get the same ending as a paragon Shepard? Is it implying there are NO moral decisions to make in the game? But then, why are the moral decisions (well written, mostly) used at all for 2.9 games in the Mass Effect series?

Shouldn't the renegade receive a dictators crown while the Paragon rides off into the sunset with LI and a white hat?

That not how the world works. Some of themost ruthless people are called heros.

Only on opposite day.


Or on black hole day which this apparently is. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:45 .

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

The reaper did not know we had the crucible. Use your tactic one and the reaper will have a counter plan for it to make it useless. Added, the reaper can just move out of the way.

The other pointyou mising is that we don't have mass effect drives strong or large enough to make this one shot weapon.

Actually, we do have a huge dark energy device-the original purpose of the crucible and what Shepard said in ME3 it was being used for when s/he talked to Conrad.

It's made to realese energy, not change mass.

But dark energy does that when manipulated by eezo, of which the crucible uses a lot. 

From the wiki:

Dark energy is manipulated using the extremely rare material element zero. When subjected to powerful electrical currents, element zero releases dark energy that can be harnessed to create mass effect fields,
effectively raising or lowering the relative mass of all objects within
the field.

The dark energy device has to bemade to warp mass, it does not automatally warp masse. The thing you missing is the crusible was not made to warp mass.

[Getorex]

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

The reaper did not know we had the crucible. Use your tactic one and the reaper will have a counter plan for it to make it useless. Added, the reaper can just move out of the way.

The other pointyou mising is that we don't have mass effect drives strong or large enough to make this one shot weapon.

Actually, we do have a huge dark energy device-the original purpose of the crucible and what Shepard said in ME3 it was being used for when s/he talked to Conrad.

It's made to realese energy, not change mass. And it took a massive amounts recorces to make it. Something that expensive  to be planned to be a weapon hat does very limited damage to the enemy doesnot work as a one shot weapon. IT ONLY WORLD AS IT ORIGINALLY IS.

All it takes to chang the crucible from a giant vibrating ****** into a mega mass cannon is a flux capacitor.  Mere hardware.  It's not some big whoop.  And you cannot move out of the way when it is fired at you.  You cannot move out of the way of a laser either.  You don't SEE the laser until it is already ON you.  You cannot see a laser beam traversing from point a to point b.  You don't SEE at faster than light.  You don't even see AT the speed of light.  You only see after the light hits.  In this case we are talking about an asteroid traveling FASTER than light.  You don't see anything.  One moment you're there, the next you are not.  You saw nothing as it happened.

[V-rcingetorix]

@Dreman,

Is that statement absolutely true? Are all people truly absolutely different?

Mathematically, that is true. But light can have only so many colors before its just bandying semantics; aquamarine blue comes to mind.

Therefore, if it is absolutely true that people are different, then it is also true that the absolutes are in varying degrees of each other, and an average exists. Statisticians call this a median, or the number separating the higher half from the lower half.

There is a finite number of people, so there is a finite number of observable points. If there is a median, there is a high and low portion, and therefore a paragon/renegade tilt.

I have to head back to school (orgo lab :/), but as always, dreman, 3D, it has been a pleasure.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

V-rcingetorix wrote...

An excellent moral question, OP. Why does a renegade Shepard get the same ending as a paragon Shepard? Is it implying there are NO moral decisions to make in the game? But then, why are the moral decisions (well written, mostly) used at all for 2.9 games in the Mass Effect series?

Shouldn't the renegade receive a dictators crown while the Paragon rides off into the sunset with LI and a white hat?

That not how the world works. Some of themost ruthless people are called heros.

Only on opposite day.


Or on black hole day which this apparently is. 

No, this is true. You don't know how many black op the usa has used over the years that are called heros.

[3DandBeyond]

Getorex wrote...


All it takes to chang the crucible from a giant vibrating ****** into a mega mass cannon is a flux capacitor.  Mere hardware.  It's not some big whoop.  And you cannot move out of the way when it is fired at you.  You cannot move out of the way of a laser either.  You don't SEE the laser until it is already ON you.  You cannot see a laser beam traversing from point a to point b.  You don't SEE at faster than light.  You don't even see AT the speed of light.  You only see after the light hits.  In this case we are talking about an asteroid traveling FASTER than light.  You don't see anything.  One moment you're there, the next you are not.  You saw nothing as it happened.

Yeah, apparently the reapers can only run out of the way of things that don't fit a contrived ending.  Otherwise, they're like big idiotic clowns in space.  Can't see a thing.  Well, can't see a thing on Earth either as shown in the Normandy evac scene, where nothing but the Normandy and the people were right there, but out in space their vision is near perfect.  Until it isn't.

[dreman9999]

V-rcingetorix wrote...

@Dreman,

Is that statement absolutely true? Are all people truly absolutely different?

Mathematically, that is true. But light can have only so many colors before its just bandying semantics; aquamarine blue comes to mind.

Therefore, if it is absolutely true that people are different, then it is also true that the absolutes are in varying degrees of each other, and an average exists. Statisticians call this a median, or the number separating the higher half from the lower half.

There is a finite number of people, so there is a finite number of observable points. If there is a median, there is a high and low portion, and therefore a paragon/renegade tilt.

I have to head back to school (orgo lab :/), but as always, dreman, 3D, it has been a pleasure.

But people are always changing. So what if there is a fintenumber of people. They have an infinate number of way they change and the people who are here die aff and be replace by others. That inheritly cause change on he socil level. History show this change clearly.

And with your light point, that is an issue of how much  level of color we can see, not how much color of light there is. You have to remeber our perspectiveis limited. We can't see everything.

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Dremen999 done said: Added, you think the reapers would let you build that?

Yep. They let you build the crucible didn't they?

The point is the shields are NOT going to protect from an object carrying literally enough energy to completely rubble an earth-sized planet. No way.

The reaper did not know we had the crucible. Use your tactic one and the reaper will have a counter plan for it to make it useless. Added, the reaper can just move out of the way.

The other pointyou mising is that we don't have mass effect drives strong or large enough to make this one shot weapon.

Actually, we do have a huge dark energy device-the original purpose of the crucible and what Shepard said in ME3 it was being used for when s/he talked to Conrad.

It's made to realese energy, not change mass. And it took a massive amounts recorces to make it. Something that expensive  to be planned to be a weapon hat does very limited damage to the enemy doesnot work as a one shot weapon. IT ONLY WORLD AS IT ORIGINALLY IS.

All it takes to chang the crucible from a giant vibrating ****** into a mega mass cannon is a flux capacitor.  Mere hardware.  It's not some big whoop.  And you cannot move out of the way when it is fired at you.  You cannot move out of the way of a laser either.  You don't SEE the laser until it is already ON you.  You cannot see a laser beam traversing from point a to point b.  You don't SEE at faster than light.  You don't even see AT the speed of light.  You only see after the light hits.  In this case we are talking about an asteroid traveling FASTER than light.  You don't see anything.  One moment you're there, the next you are not.  You saw nothing as it happened.

That's not as easy as you thingk, we don't even fully klnow how it works. Added a big gun isan easy target for reaper to destroy. A one shot weapon that kills the reaper all at once is better then a big gun the can easily be over whilmed and destoryed.