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[Fishy]

ShadowLordXII wrote...

Ever since Fox's report on ME 1, Bioware seems to have a double standard on what's okay in an M-rated game.

So far: murder; blood; exploding bodies; decapitation; drug use; political undertones/overtones; implications of rape; torture; prostitution; cussing; near-naked demons and horridly nude Broodmothers are okay for an M rated game.

But people being naked in a shower or naked while making love is...bad?

I'm not talking about turning future love scenes into short porn films, I'm talking about not being so conscious in this area when the game is already rated M and there's stuff in these games that's much worse than a little skin.

I mean really? What's worse for a player's psychology? A 3d elf who strips out of her tube top and engages in a 20 second love scene with the player character or being whipped by the tentacle of a broodmother while she grabs your companion and bites off his head?

Just a little consistency is all I want from DA3.

I understand this point of view even though it is gushing of unoriginality .  But you`re wayy to much disingenous and that bad troll  with a reply in my gut is difficult  to keep in check . So I will just leave with my troll and leave you alone.

[Maclimes]

Beerfish wrote...

What people want:

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What people get.

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First of all, it's "some people". Not everyone wants that.

Secondly, is that actually what some people want? You want full on nude character models with graphic sex, penetration, and the whole nine yards? 

[Kail Ashton]

lol does it really matter? i enjoy a well written/acted good romance(which bioware has moooostly done well) not a cheesey bashing polygons together sexastrophy, stick with the DA2 style of "sex scenes" origins was dumb as hell & witcher 2 and the majority of the mass effect series was just skeezy & laughibly embaressing

anything else internet porn can provide so zip it up guys

[brushyourteeth]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

i am sorry, but this is a cheap and - IMHO - easy way out...BAH! makes me wanna puke...why rate a game "mature" (meaning: your player is normally 18+ years old (at least here in germany) and able to have sex himself how and with whom he wants to) if you censor it or only imply things?

Perhaps we'd like to leave it up to the imagination of the player for what type of things occur?

If the reason for wanting to see them is little more than "because I want to see them" then the advantage of showing nudity seems to disappear.

Have to agree with Allan. That would be the opposite of immaturity.

The difference is that combat is the meat of the game, so violence naturally follows. Romances are a side-option, and hardly necessary to the game at all - just a feature many of us enjoy. Depicted sexual relations are even less important on the scale. It's also a feature that takes resources away from other important parts of game development which many of the players would appreciate much more. There's only so many dollars, programmers, days till release, etc. to get DAIII on the market. Nudity's cheap and accessible in just about every other kind of media, but less so in video games.

Also, while DA has violence, and maybe it's too graphic for some people's taste (no one's forcing you to play), mostly this argument is used because players want to strongarm developers into more sex, not less violence.

When an NPC is killed in DA, we don't see their intestines spill out of their body or their brains ooze out of their skulls. That would be too graphic - I wouldn't play that game.

Similarly, when two characters have sex in DA, we don't need to see nipples or willies. That's too graphic for me. I wouldn't play that game. Call me a prude - I just couldn't respect myself if I had to hide my copy of DAIII away in shame every time my little brothers visit and check out my game library.

Tasteful is a good thing. I wonder why so many people find it "distasteful" to have an absence of T&A in the games? Their high level of maturity wouldn't be my first guess. Usually, "this is an M rated game! Why so prudish?" is just a player's way of saying "I payed for sexy times - you owe it to me to make me aroused!" But ask the devs for something legitimate like more weapon styles and those same forumites will tell you to quit telling the devs how to craft their art.

[Maclimes]

BrotherWarth wrote...

American audiences are nonsensical when it comes to sex and violence. Making people explode into a shower of blood and gore? A-OK. Show a topless woman during a sex scene between 2 characters in love? Oh the humanity!
It's really stupid. Mind-numbingly stupid.

I'm an American, though I agree whole-heartedly with your statement. That's less about DA3, though, and our entire stupid culture of "sideboob bad, headshots good". 

[schalafi]

Perhaps there could be a middle ground between total nudity, and fully clothed love scenes. I mean look at the Anders scene, he's not only fully clothed, including boots, but also still has a knife in his belt.

It seems like Bioware has decided the "M" rating means no realism at all.

[Rpgfantasyplayer]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

It's because our country was founded on very backwards, dry, Puritan beliefs that are unforutnately still prevalent in our society today. Violence is ok because no one (mostly no one) is going to masturbate to it. Nude women are a sin. Sex is a sin. Gays are a sin. Medicine is a sin. Evolution is a sin. The moon landing didn't happen, and the world is flat - as flat as every woman's chest should be! :::salutes the American flag:::

heheh.

 

So very true.  We are a prudish country when it comes to sex and it doesn't make sense why we show violence but not a tasteful and artfully done sex scene. If it is rated for adults than let it be for adults.  Fade to black is fine, but let there be the emotional build up to the scene.  I never understood Fable's version.  Fade to black immediately and just hear giggling and some moaning.  To me it is not about the sex but about the emotional connection that my PC is having with the NPC of my choice.  Sex does tends to happen when people are in love.

Modifié par Rpgfantasyplayer, 04 octobre 2012 - 04:54 .

[AbsoluteApril]

well.. I was going to say a lot but Valadras21 on page 3 summed up my opinions quite nicely!

Nudity should be there when it's appropriate. I enjoyed the ME1, ME3, DAO scenes but seeing them still in their smallclothes seemed quite silly imo.

I like the natural bodies mod in DAO. Also got the More options at the Pearl mod and can understandf how full sex scenes can be incredibly silly (because.. oh my goodness.. that mod!). It's a tough balance.

Ideally I'd like the romantic build up (if appropriate for the characters), kissing and undressing, maybe laying down/against wall/whatever, maybe a couple stills or flashes of movement and then a fade to black. Sharing a tender (or upsetting) moment afterwards is welcome as well (like DA2/ME3).

ok, I think I've expressed my pro-nudity stance in enough threads now.

[Maria Caliban]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ShadowLordXII wrote...

But people being naked in a shower or naked while making love is...bad?

Except the writers have told us previously that the lack of nudity was because of model restrictions, not because they're terrified of an unclothed body.

If you don't have the means to make a scene like this without it being ridiculous... maybe just don't do it at all?

I didn't find any of the DA II scenes ridiculous.

[_isia_]

I don't think it is about being prude. Just look, first romances - not enough, then first love scenes, same sex romances, more expanded love scenes - still not enough. Now it is time for boobs and asses to get "realism". We also don't have crafting scenes, toilet scenes, brushing teeth scenes - does it make game less realistic? Do we have to make sure that characters had sex?? I think that suggestion, atmosphere or kisses before going to bed is enough. It is quite ballanced now, and if to change sth in love content - it should be quality of it.

[Parmida]

Sh*t! people would freak out in our house if someone had porn or anything near as such on his computer! I'm not against it as long as I can just skip it, I've just seen ME's scenes a few times when I was sure no one was around to freak out like hell and go batsh*t insane, and I really liked Kaidan/sheploo scene, I didn't even have a glimpse at DA:O's scenes.
It's funny, 'cause I have lots of very gory games on my computer and not one even stops to have a look at it when I'm slaughtering the guy with a saw or cutting their head off while they scream for mercy, but SEX?! OH NOES!

[Atakuma]

As long as we can avoid things like people showering in their undies, I'm totally fine with bioware's current approach. I would not be opposed to the addition of nudity however, just as long as it also includes the men.

Modifié par Atakuma, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:13 .

[axl99]

*shrug*

For me it's less about nudity - especially after years of lifedrawing - and more about the acting performance and context of a scene between two people in some semblance of a relationship.

If the animators and cinematics team can pull it off, great. If not, oh well.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

I believe that if you pursue a romance, then a sex scene makes sense if it is handled maturely and tastefully. This does not have to mean showing everything a character has to offer their partner. Underwear in the shower or during sex is campy rather than mature or tasteful. That said, the developers could take lessons from old soap operas to show how to do different sex scenes with some action and a lot of implication. Sheets, lots of steam, camera angles, etc.

Nudity: I think, if it makes sense in the scene, that bare buttocks (male or female) and some side boob is not unreasonable. It implies without completely showing all the private bits that the parties actually got naked. Unless there's a codex entry I missed about wearing underwear during sex was a form of birth control LOL.

After sex, I don't want to see my female characters' bra. I can only speak for myself, but the last thing I think of doing after a romantic romp and before going to sleep is to put on a bra. After Alistair and you have sex, he's looking at you as you sleep. Having a blanket tucked up around you makes more sense than a bra. After Fenris, Hawke wakes up and looks around. Hello, they are in a bed with sheets and everything. Use them rather than the underwear to cover up. Standing around after Anders, why wouldn't the males be in their underwear (currently I have them wearing sparkly blue underwear, or Hawke (m or f) could be wearing a robe. Merrill and Hawke are lying in the bed, still in their underwear? Cuddle under the sheets, their arms and shoulders can be above the covers. That makes a lot more sense (and is better than looking at that ugly elven underwear).

Quick edit: 
I also believe in building up to the romance and then the sex. Unless of course it's just about a quick one between friends, Isabela . . .

Obviously there is going to be some cut from the action to the aftermath. I would hardly expect to see a play by play. But kissing, then underwear, then under covers (or hidden by steam except for peeks of legs, shoulders, faces, etc.) and then a reasonable aftermath makes sense to me.

Modifié par QueenPurpleScrap, 04 octobre 2012 - 05:35 .

[Masha Potato]

all i got from this thread is that people really want to see a penis in dragon age

[jillabender]

Personally, I'm fine with the "fade-to-black" approach, but I have no problem with a bit of tasteful nudity. I feel that light nudity, where more is suggested than shown, can often be more erotic than baring everything.

I don't think that BioWare took the fade-to-black approach in DA2 because they felt that showing sex would be "bad" or "immature" – I think they took that approach because they felt it was the best way of creating the mood they wanted with the resources they had.

If I'm understanding what I've heard from some developers correctly, the limitations of graphic engines make it challenging to depict nudity in a way that doesn't look strange. I don't feel that the lack of nudity in DA2 makes it "less mature."

However, I'd also add that while sex scenes absolutely aren't a necessity, I don't think anyone should need to apologize for enjoying or being turned on by a sex scene in a story or game. There's nothing wrong with including a scene that's intended partly to arouse the player, and it's very possible for a romantic scene to be erotic and arousing without including nudity.

In short, it's not "immature" to simply enjoy sex scenes in stories or games, or to have sexual fantasies involving fictional characters – the fact that some of us do just means that we're sexual beings.

Modifié par jillabender, 05 octobre 2012 - 03:02 .

[Allan Schumacher]

Wulfram wrote...

They shouldn't make content to fit the ratings, they should make the game they want to make, and let the rating fall where it will.

This is the way I see it too.

[Maclimes]

Masha Potato wrote...

all i got from this thread is that people really want to see a penis in dragon age

Forget Dragon Effect or Call of Dragon.

What people really want is Penis Age III: Inquisition.

[Allan Schumacher]

The one thing people often compare is the exploding bodies and whatnot.

Another difference for that is that stuff like that is more caricature. If we were to depict combat in a more realistic way, it'd probably be a rather unsettling thing as well. Probably moreso than a sex scene as well.

But I don't think people are asking for caricature style sex scenes...

[DahliaLynn]

I don't see the need for nudity at all. But experiencing the moment is definitely a plus, and something I would hope for as the romance builds.