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[LadyWench]

I feel like maybe this started off as an actual discussion, and now I can't tell how many people are being serious or just sarcastic. Or who doesn't realize you can get actual, full-rendered porn on your computer if that's what you're really itching for and don't need to inject it into every RPG interaction. XD

Thanks anyway, thread. And, uh, good luck with that whole sex scenes thing... *politely leaves*

[Icinix]

LadyWench wrote...

I feel like maybe this started off as an actual discussion, and now I can't tell how many people are being serious or just sarcastic. Or who doesn't realize you can get actual, full-rendered porn on your computer if that's what you're really itching for and don't need to inject it into every RPG interaction. XD

Thanks anyway, thread. And, uh, good luck with that whole sex scenes thing... *politely leaves*

There are a few comments on some of the pages that had me in stitches.

Apparently some people's definition of mature reasonable adults is begging for animated sex scenes.

Anyway - its only a couple of people who are that extreme.

Did make me lol though.

Modifié par Icinix, 04 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Dragoonlordz]

LadyWench wrote...

I feel like maybe this started off as an actual discussion, and now I can't tell how many people are being serious or just sarcastic. Or who doesn't realize you can get actual, full-rendered porn on your computer if that's what you're really itching for and don't need to inject it into every RPG interaction. XD

Thanks anyway, thread. And, uh, good luck with that whole sex scenes thing... *politely leaves*

Well I know your being sarcastic. Most people want the DA team to handle it as well as the ME team did with the Liara scene in ME3 or CDPR did with Geralt and Triss in TW2. In other words better than they have with DAO and especially DA2.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 octobre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Blacklash93]

Can we just cut to black? Bioware has more important things to nail down than TNA.

[frostajulie]

Fleshdress wrote...

I like the DA:O scenes! The underwear was hardly notable and uhh, I was okay with it... the ladies keeping their bras on was a little more noticeable though. Meh maybe I am sexist... or maybe I just wanna see more boobs...

I really liked the DAO scenes as well especially when I got the mod that got rid of the underwear.  Now I am not talking about the porno mods which I could not play since I share the computer in the same room as my  Brothers and their kids just the mod that gets the underwear gone.  Vanilla scenes sans underpants.

I was enchanted the first time I saw the scenes in DAO here was a game that treated the romance as a part of the story.  It was AWESOME!

And for me it was not so much the boobs but it was more real and natural.

[RogueWriter3201]

Tried following the thread, but it so quickly devolved into "Boo Nudity!" or "Heh. Boobies," comments that I'm not going to respond to anything directly. What I will say is it would be nice to have someone from the writing team chime in on this (though Maker knows David has given his opinion more times then I can count) as well as the animation team, and that, in regards to how the "mature" aspects of a Love Scene should/could be portrayed, I feel going back to ME1's depiction would be perfect despite the looming proverbial Boogey-Man that is Fox-News. 

It was gorgeously shot/animated, and had just enough physical tease to be sensuous without being Witcher gratuitous. The depictions in DAO and DAII were, respectfully, laughable. Origins had characters putting *on* clothing for the love scenes (I understand that was a technical/animation/body frame issue) and DA2 had both characters laying around in undergarments post coitus or dressing at the speed of light afterward as though they had something better to be doing.

ME1's had, at least, one participant remain in the buff while Shepard took the liberty of dressing while He/She slept. Another rather beautifully done Love Scene that avoided the AO rating BioWare and their parent company appear so paranoid over can be found in Heavy Rain. Minus the (ahem) interactive elements, the scene (even the cencorsed version most folks saw) contained a heavy (no pun intended) dose of auditory intimacy/passion, passionate/romantic ambiance, and a tasteful, yet adult, degree of nudity. As such, it's clear it can be done as, I feel, most of the audience would be content with.

However, the question stands whether Mark, Mike, and David even *want* love scenes in thier game. While I enjoy how a love scene can expand upon a romance (if done right) to the Power That Be for DA3 the whole thing could just be seen as a headache they don't want to bother with or, from a narrative staindpoint, superfluous.
   

[Massakkolia]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

They could of course solve most of these problems by releasing a toolset. That way, people who prefer nudity where appropriate can download the relevant mod, and Bioware don't have to deal with the various ignorant reports by the folks at Fox News.

Fox news raised ME1 sales. In the end, it was good for Bioware.

That's how I see it as well. If a news channel reports on a game having "outrageous" sex scenes, it seems rather unlikely that the target audience (young adults) would run away. On the contrary, it would attract more players, especially teenagers. 

This whole "Fox News scared Bioware from doing mature sex scenes" claim, which keeps reappearing in these boards, sounds a bit absurd. I just can't believe that Bioware staff would seriously let some old news piece affect their current writing. I genuinely believe their decisions regarding sex scenes in the Dragon Age series have absolutely nothing to do with what Fox News may or may not report on. (And to be honest, I highly doubt Fox would attack Bioware again. They have plenty of worse examples to choose from if they wish)

Perhaps I'm naïve or perhaps I'm too rooted in Scandinavian media culture but I just can't fathom why Bioware would let Fox influence their game development. Not to mention, it is globally known fact that Fox News is crap. Hell, their "news" are used in universities around the world as examples of propaganda journalism.

It is true that Bioware is perhaps too bashful in their approach to nudity at times but I think their reasons have very little to do with Fox. It might have something to do with the uptight and hypocritical attitude towards sexuality in American public sphere as a whole. Part of that attitude, by the way, are those numerous requests from posters demanding boobs in their games as if nudity somehow would mean that a game is automatically mature.

Nudity should be used when a scene requires it. And no, it's not a big deal. It's that simple.

Modifié par Ria, 04 octobre 2012 - 10:35 .

[DreGregoire]

Knight of Dane wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

I think it's a bit much to expect the dev's to spend time and resources on making nude models. I would rather have the developers spend those resources on more varied romantic encounters and/or the option of repeating the romantic scene (s).

Most normal 3D models are created as a "real" body, so it's pretty much nude as a standard, if anything it takes less time because they don't have to decide on a set of weird-looking underwear.

If this were the case, that all the bits are rendered during the original process of making the 3D model, then the nude model would be available and underwear would just be a piece of clothing; however, I have yet to find a nude model with all the bits in my game files, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. In order to believe that 3d models are created as a "real" body and that the devs do extra work to cover it I would have to hear it from a developer of DA. One who can say to me, oh yeah we make a nude model with all the bits and yes we just have underwear and bras to cover it up because (insert reasoning); thus, proving that it is extra work on the part of the devs, as you say, to give all characters identical underwear.

And let's face it if the nude models were included somebody is going to gripe about the shape, size, what not of what is given.

And I'm sure it's been mentioned that there were nude mods for DAO, I don't know about DAII because it didn't have my attention long enough to allow for much seeking out of mods. That's not to say I didn't do my own modding of DAII, but I just didn't play it long enough for many mods to have been made before I was done with it.

Edit: And I'm not refering to the desire demons but to the main character and party members.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 04 octobre 2012 - 10:48 .

[Monica83]

The strange thing is......

Nudity and Sex make feel people unconfortable.......

But decapitation exploding body limbs head and brain also legs flyng around painting the ground red not.....

What a strange world....."Weird one"

[philippe willaume]

tmp7704 wrote...

philippe willaume wrote...

Really there is no way for bioware to know what type off hawke we are going to play. I mean why not a dialoge wheel to get a different ends scene whilst we are at it.

That's what they had the dominant tone system for -- to track what type of Hawke the player would play, so they could play content tailored to that type without the dialogue wheel at every interaction. While i'm not personally a fan of that system in general, as long as they insist on having it, it seems like a logical spot to make use of it.

I  see where you are coming from, I never realised that it did  work like than in DA:2?  I mean, I always got the same dialogue and no repercussion of my choices (dialogue or otherwise for that matter)

I have to say that i am not too comfortable withhaving a choice of playing a sexist /mygosinstic character especially with the gratificationof super dominant sex-scene to boot.  as well i have probably the same objection with that dominant char expending outside dialogues.



That being said it take this is not the point you are making, you are proposing that if we have a directing personality the way the whole romance scenes plays out should reflect it.

Phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 04 octobre 2012 - 11:39 .

[philippe willaume]

Monica83 wrote...

The strange thing is......

Nudity and Sex make feel people unconfortable.......

But decapitation exploding body limbs head and brain also legs flyng around painting the ground red not.....

What a strange world....."Weird one"

yes it is a massive double standard but  to be fair there more of a disconection between swinging a sword  and real life than there is between that later and nudity or  sex .

I mean how many on the board do test cutting of carcases with live blade and full contact sparing with sword simulators?
Obvioulsy far much less that people that have direct experience with nudity and sex.
as well sex and nudity have a much stronger socioculral value than fantasy violence (you need the like of postal to get frowned upon).
phil

Modifié par philippe willaume, 04 octobre 2012 - 11:37 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

DreGregoire wrote...

Edit: And I'm not refering to the desire demons but to the main character and party members.

They all have nipples in DAO, despite the nipples always being covered.

[daaaav]

Predicting thread death from all the nudity = bad or I want boobs comments in 5...4...3...2...1...

In short:

I hated the DAO/DA2/Mass Effect 3 scenes because they felt like they existed as sanitised fan service rather than story telling devices. Things like Morrigans underwear and shower clothing really do rip the player out of the moment and make these scenes into ludicrous caricatures.

It feels strange to be exposed to a myriad of so called taboo and controversial topics throughout the narrative only to hit a ridiculous politically correct wall when it comes to the human (demon, elf, dwarf) form. Go back to ME1 and draw inspiration from the movies to give these scenes and content an authenticity that your later games lacked.

[JediMB]

If I'm allowed to deviate from talking about nudity strictly in the context of sex scenes...

I just have to say that the naked werewolves in DAO transforming into people in underwear when their curse was lifted looked ridiculous.

Also, it was really weird how, in ME3, Shepard kept her underwear on while Liara only had carefully placed shadows covering key parts of her body. I guess humans and aliens don't get equal treatment.

[TEWR]

If we're going to have fan disservice with the broodmother, we should have some fan service with tasteful nudity.

That's my semi-serious response to this thread.

On a truly serious note, yes, I do think nudity should be done tastefully and should be present in DA. If nowhere else it should be shown in the brothel, both before, during, and after the "services rendered". But also love scenes.

You don't even really have to show ******, ass, and whatnot to really convey that they're naked -- though obviously, it's the best way to in terms of "Here! They're naked! Happy?!".

Take for instance the following pictures (kinda NSFW I guess?).



34 year old Diane Kruger.

Now in this picture, she's clearly covered up -- couldn't find a picture with a girl covered by blankets, which is what I wanted -- but we can tell she's naked, save for the furry boots

That's more or less what I'd like to see at the very least for tasteful nudity. The women are lying in bed, covered up with the blankets, but enough skin is showing to really convey the sense that they're naked underneath.

But hey, if you wanna show boobies I'm game .

And for the love of God... please work on the animations. Merrill's body structure suffered a horrific animation issue.

[daaaav]

JediMB wrote...

If I'm allowed to deviate from talking about nudity strictly in the context of sex scenes...

I just have to say that the naked werewolves in DAO transforming into people in underwear when their curse was lifted looked ridiculous.

Also, it was really weird how, in ME3, Shepard kept her underwear on while Liara only had carefully placed shadows covering key parts of her body. I guess humans and aliens don't get equal treatment.

This is exactly what I'm talking about and of course it's not just about sex scenes. Dragon Age feels like the writers have a plan in mind when it comes to the design and feel of their world EXCEPT when it comes nudity. Instead of employing creative techniques such as camera angles and shadows, they have been using ridiculous and hamfisted coverups which shatter the players immersion. Please stop treating it as taboo and treat it like everything else.

[Krechure]

Please put more sex scenes like DA2's "Felicitate Me" or ME2's "The Prize" in future games for amusement if nothing else. Look them up on Youtube for a quick laugh. Oh, and I just loved the face my guy made in DAO during that scene making out with Morrigan the first time while on his back. My gf lost it when I showed it to her.

classic DA2 Lines:
"The feathaahhh! Use the feathaahhh!"
"Where's your bruthahhh? Let's have him join us."

More please!

[Ridwan]

Just do it like you did with Liara in ME 3, hide the private stuff through angles and keep the scene short, no longer than 20 seconds. Don't cave in to the people that want to see the ding dong going on an adventure for 15min straight.

[Massakkolia]

JediMB wrote...

If I'm allowed to deviate from talking about nudity strictly in the context of sex scenes...

I just have to say that the naked werewolves in DAO transforming into people in underwear when their curse was lifted looked ridiculous.

Also, it was really weird how, in ME3, Shepard kept her underwear on while Liara only had carefully placed shadows covering key parts of her body. I guess humans and aliens don't get equal treatment.

Scenes like the bolded one are a real problem. Sex scenes can naturally be done with the fade to black method but there are other situations in games where nudity is simply the best choice.

Someone mentioned Cailan's body in the Ostagar DLC and how the prudish darkspawn had left his underwear on while ravaging everything else. That's another unfortunate example how the lack of nudity can ruin a great moment. The whole point of the scene was to show a king ripped completely bare, without his life or dignity and give his soul some solace through a funeral. 

These are the kind of scenes where Bioware should really think the visual impact more carefully either using nudity or clever angles. Underwear can make a powerful moment ruefully comical. 

[Ridwan]

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

[Mr.House]

I liked the scene with Isabela and Fenris in DA2 and Liara in ME3, just saying. (though Fenris having his weapon on his back after Hawke wakes up made me go O_o)

[daaaav]

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

[Ridwan]

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

I did, responded to the posts above me about how silly it was that the king that died in DA:O had his undies on as well as the werewolves if you cured them. It's just beyond silly. "Oh my God, it's not realistic" well neither shooting a fireball out of your hands, ya know.

You gotta wonder sometimes.

[Mr.House]

M25105 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

I did, responded to the posts above me about how silly it was that the king that died in DA:O had his undies on as well as the werewolves if you cured them. It's just beyond silly. "Oh my God, it's not realistic" well neither shooting a fireball out of your hands, ya know.

You gotta wonder sometimes.

It's not silly.