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[DreGregoire]

Do you think it's possible that they are careful to not show the character's in the (full) nude because of laws regarding the depiction of nude characters? I don't really know of any laws in regards to blood and gore, other than the Mature rating being required. However, there are laws about age requirements for pornography in many countries. M is 17 plus right? And there is an 18 plus requirement in the pornography industry. I'm not saying that this is the reason, but it would explain why things are the way they are, in regards to violence and gore vs nudity and graphic scenes of romance. *shrugs*

Modifié par DreGregoire, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:53 .

[Mark of the Dragon]

I agree completely but whatever happens dont have the screen fade to black.

[daaaav]

M25105 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

I did, responded to the posts above me about how silly it was that the king that died in DA:O had his undies on as well as the werewolves if you cured them. It's just beyond silly. "Oh my God, it's not realistic" well neither shooting a fireball out of your hands, ya know.

You gotta wonder sometimes.

Apologies, I didn't mean to be snarky.

If I go for a walk around Athens, Rome or Paris, I don't expect or want a PC police brigade to follow me around and put underwear on all the statues. I don't want gratuitous nudity, but I would like Bioware to stop doing things like giving Morrigan  a special intimacy bra, and having shep shower fully clothed for safety reasons... There are better ways to do it.

[daaaav]

DreGregoire wrote...

Do you think it's possible that they are careful to not show the character's in the nude because of laws regarding the depiction of nude characters? I don't really know of any laws in regards to blood and gore, other than the Mature rating being required. However, there are laws about age requirements for pornography in many countries. M is 17 plus right? And there is an 18 plus requirement in the pornography industry. I'm not saying that this is the reason, but it would explain why things are the way they are, in regards to violence and gore vs nudity and graphic scenes of romance. *shrugs*

Laws are the same for MA movies.

[Ridwan]

Mr.House wrote...

M25105 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

I
did, responded to the posts above me about how silly it was that the
king that died in DA:O had his undies on as well as the werewolves if
you cured them. It's just beyond silly. "Oh my God, it's not realistic"
well neither shooting a fireball out of your hands, ya know.

You gotta wonder sometimes.

It's not silly.

Yes, it really is. It's a video games about us killing monsters, we're shooting fireballs out of our hands, there are dragons and ghosts in the game. That's unrealistic! Yet we don't care cause it's so much fun, and yet some people here seem to think apparently that everything has to be realistic cause of the underwear issue, well don't play the game then, cause you're going to see a lot of unrealistic stuff. in it.

Modifié par M25105, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:54 .

[Ridwan]

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

I did, responded to the posts above me about how silly it was that the king that died in DA:O had his undies on as well as the werewolves if you cured them. It's just beyond silly. "Oh my God, it's not realistic" well neither shooting a fireball out of your hands, ya know.

You gotta wonder sometimes.

Apologies, I didn't mean to be snarky.

If I go for a walk around Athens, Rome or Paris, I don't expect or want a PC police brigade to follow me around and put underwear on all the statues. I don't want gratuitous nudity, but I would like Bioware to stop doing things like giving Morrigan  a special intimacy bra, and having shep shower fully clothed for safety reasons... There are better ways to do it.

It's a video game not a piece of art. If they're going to do nudity, then they should make it like they did with Liara in ME3. We know she's naked, but we see nothing naughty. Everyone wins.

[Mr.House]

M25105 wrote...

Yes, it really is. It's a video games about us killing monsters, we're shooting fireballs out of our hands, there are dragons and ghosts in the game. That's unrealistic! Yet we don't care cause it's so much fun, and yet some people here seem to think apparently that everything has to be realistic cause of the underwear issue, well don't play the game then, cause you're going to see a lot of unrealistic stuff. in it.

When creatures are turning back to human form, and said creatures had no clothing on them? Yes it's silly that the human is fully clothed.

[Ridwan]

Mr.House wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Yes, it really is. It's a video games about us killing monsters, we're shooting fireballs out of our hands, there are dragons and ghosts in the game. That's unrealistic! Yet we don't care cause it's so much fun, and yet some people here seem to think apparently that everything has to be realistic cause of the underwear issue, well don't play the game then, cause you're going to see a lot of unrealistic stuff. in it.

When creatures are turning back to human form, and said creatures had no clothing on them? Yes it's silly that the human is fully clothed.

Just as it was silly for them to turn into monsters in the first place.

Modifié par M25105, 05 octobre 2012 - 12:55 .

[daaaav]

M25105 wrote...

Yes, it really is. It's a video games about us killing monsters, we're shooting fireballs out of our hands, there are dragons and ghosts in the game. That's unrealistic! Yet we don't care cause it's so much fun, and yet some people here seem to think apparently that everything has to be realistic cause of the underwear issue, well don't play the game then, cause you're going to see a lot of unrealistic stuff. in it.

Realism isn't the right word... I don't care about realism.

Dragon age is a fantasy, so it is romantisized and sensationalized. But the key is to immerse the player in the universe.  People also play Bioware games for other reasons than the combat gameplay... for me, it's analogous to a good interactive book/movie.

[jillabender]

daaav wrote…

I don't want gratuitous nudity, but I would like Bioware to stop doing things like giving Morrigan a special intimacy bra, and having shep shower fully clothed for safety reasons... There are better ways to do it.

That's fair – although nudity isn't an absolute must for a romantic sex scene, it's true that showing characters partly or mostly clothed in a sex scene can look and feel a bit awkward depending on how it's done. I'll admit that I use the "Natural Bodies" mod for DA:O for that very reason.

[daaaav]

M25105 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

I did, responded to the posts above me about how silly it was that the king that died in DA:O had his undies on as well as the werewolves if you cured them. It's just beyond silly. "Oh my God, it's not realistic" well neither shooting a fireball out of your hands, ya know.

You gotta wonder sometimes.

Apologies, I didn't mean to be snarky.

If I go for a walk around Athens, Rome or Paris, I don't expect or want a PC police brigade to follow me around and put underwear on all the statues. I don't want gratuitous nudity, but I would like Bioware to stop doing things like giving Morrigan  a special intimacy bra, and having shep shower fully clothed for safety reasons... There are better ways to do it.

It's a video game not a piece of art. If they're going to do nudity, then they should make it like they did with Liara in ME3. We know she's naked, but we see nothing naughty. Everyone wins.

Not going to get into a "are games art" debate.

It's entertainment. An interactive story. There are games and games and this is not space invaders.

[Massakkolia]

M25105 wrote...

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud, do you guys really want to see dicks that bad?

Read the thread

I did, responded to the posts above me about how silly it was that the king that died in DA:O had his undies on as well as the werewolves if you cured them. It's just beyond silly. "Oh my God, it's not realistic" well neither shooting a fireball out of your hands, ya know.

You gotta wonder sometimes.

Not the fireballs argument again...Fine, I'll bite and explain.

Magic is established as part of the Dragon Age universe. It does not break immersion and it will in no way diminish the power of the scene (in fact it usually enhances it).

Using nudity, tastefully, is an ordinary occurance in quality cinema. It is usually not meant (especially here in Europe but often in US as well, especially in indie films) to boost the audience interest or turn you on or disgust you. It is there when it's natural to the scene and not something I usually even pay attention to unless the scene's purpose is to be sensual.

All I wish is that video game developers would not shun from using nudity when it clearly should be part of the scene or at the very least use cinematic techniques to make the scene work instead of covering everything with underwear. 

I hope I was clear enough this time.

Modifié par Ria, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:05 .

[Ridwan]

daaaav wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Yes, it really is. It's a video games about us killing monsters, we're shooting fireballs out of our hands, there are dragons and ghosts in the game. That's unrealistic! Yet we don't care cause it's so much fun, and yet some people here seem to think apparently that everything has to be realistic cause of the underwear issue, well don't play the game then, cause you're going to see a lot of unrealistic stuff. in it.

Realism isn't the right word... I don't care about realism.

Dragon age is a fantasy, so it is romantisized and sensationalized. But the key is to immerse the player in the universe.  People also play Bioware games for other reasons than the combat gameplay... for me, it's analogous to a good interactive book/movie.

So the entire immersion gets ruined for you cause you don't get to see a pair?

[Ridwan]

subbing this thread for tomorrow going to be a fun read.

[daaaav]

M25105 wrote...

So the entire immersion gets ruined for you cause you don't get to see a pair?

Starting to sound like your trolling but i'll bite...

In some cases yes. But that is often because of the techniques the dev's use to cover it up. Nudity doesn't bother me and I don't see why they can't use the same techniques used in good cinema.

Modifié par daaaav, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:10 .

[DreGregoire]

To be honest, I was very uncomfortable with female Shepard's underwear in ME3 and the ****ty (hooker) clothing on the females in DA2, as well as Morrigan's scantily clad bosom in DAO, these things broke my immersion, as did the revealing differences in mages robes and some of the armor. The underclothing in DAO more closely resembled how I would expect the underclothes to look. If I want to see more than an occasional peek at bare skin there are other things I can watch. I don't need or want naked people in my fantasy/sci-fi games; however, what I would like is more romantic scenes or at least the ability to replay the romance scene given.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:13 .

[jillabender]

Ria wrote…

Using nudity, tastefully, is an ordinary occurrance in quality cinema […] It is there when it's natural to the scene and not something I usually even pay attention to unless the scene's purpose is to be sensual.

All I wish is that video game developers would not shun from using nudity when it clearly should be part of the scene or at the very least use cinematic techniques to make the scene work instead of covering everything with underwear.

That's a fair point – there's nothing wrong with choosing not to show nudity in a game, but it's true that there are times when the techniques used to avoid nudity feel awkward. Creative camera angles, for example, are often more effective than putting a character in underwear.

Modifié par jillabender, 05 octobre 2012 - 03:12 .

[DreGregoire]

Hmmm.... I don't recall any scenes that had actual acts, and in the lead up scenes it wouldn't be abnormal to still have your underclothes on. And since I haven't once actually seen a romance scene that showed the actual act "deed" (whatever you want to call it) I don't really see that the underclothing is immersion breaking. That aside the shower scene with underwear was odd and would have worked out better, I think, if they had made some type of curtain that hid the character's personal areas from view, instead of showering with the underclothes on. What they don't have shower curtains in space?

Modifié par DreGregoire, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:40 .

[mousestalker]

If anyone from Bioware is reading this thread, Barry White singing in the background makes any romantic scene better. But since he's dead, Peabo Bryson would be an acceptable substitute.

[daaaav]

mousestalker wrote...

If anyone from Bioware is reading this thread, Barry White singing in the background makes any romantic scene better. But since he's dead, Peabo Bryson would be an acceptable substitute.

Flight of the Concords.

It's Business time.

[AlanC9]

Sejborg wrote...

Also if you swing the camera around in a certain way with Morrigan, the camera will go through Morrigans dress and you will see a nipple. So Morrigan has been designed nude, but when it's time for the sexscene, Morrigan has a low rendered bra. Someone has last minute decided that nudity is a "no go". The evidence is there. 

How did I not know this?


...... actually, how does anyone know this?

[jokey javik]

If you do fade to black then do that for all those scenes with characters because in me3 liara gets one while the rest are fade to black so either fade to black for all love interests or they each have a scene either way should work just keep it tasteful which it seems like you guys do.

[jokey javik]

daaaav wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

If anyone from Bioware is reading this thread, Barry White singing in the background makes any romantic scene better. But since he's dead, Peabo Bryson would be an acceptable substitute.

Flight of the Concords.

It's Business time.

September from earth wind and fire it just feels right but getting the consent to use that song would be costly.

[Adara]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

The one thing people often compare is the exploding bodies and whatnot.

Another difference for that is that stuff like that is more caricature. If we were to depict combat in a more realistic way, it'd probably be a rather unsettling thing as well. Probably moreso than a sex scene as well.

But I don't think people are asking for caricature style sex scenes...

I would just like to see scenes similar to that of DAO or from what I hear ME3. I am not against fade to black but would like to see a more involved love scene.

[Allan Schumacher]

I would like Bioware to stop doing things like giving Morrigan a special intimacy bra

Is it actually a custom model specifically for Morrigan's body that only exists for Morrigan while not wearing clothes? Or is it a more general "female body not wearing any clothes?" (this is actually somewhat serious. I actually don't know the answer to this question).

Though regardless, even if it is a custom body, I do know how the cinematics would have been set up and there would have been marks on the cinematic timeline that specify that the chestpiece Morrigan is wearing should be set to "none." So she'll be using the same body type that she would as though you unequipped her chestpiece.

I know some people look at her base armor (which indicates no bra), and then kind of stink eye when they unequip her chestpiece and suddenly she's wearing a bra because it doesn't "make sense" as she clearly isn't wearing one beforehand!

So it's not so much that Morrigan was given a "special intimacy bra" but rather that she was just using the body type she's assigned to use when she's not wearing any chest armor.

Just to be clear, the way the the model swap works, her standard armor isn't really "clothes hanging over top of the body." The WHOLE 3D mesh is considered one unit and the whole thing gets replaced when changing someone's armor..

So while it's okay for you to be disappointed because we didn't create scenes that depict naked people in them, it wasn't as though work was intentionally done to specifically put a bra on Morrigan for this scene. It just uses her "armorless" body mesh.