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[Aldaris951]

(I Fully support retconning sten as the new arishok in all choices if it means bioware can give sten a bigger role btw)

In DA2 There is a way to have the Arishok leave peacefully, So that hes still alive at the end of DA2.

However in the New DA comics. Sten is the new Arishok. I am aware that the comics have their own canon but do you guys think the DA2 arishok will be in DA3 or will he get morriganned?

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Modifié par Aldaris951, 04 octobre 2012 - 03:56 .

[Maclimes]

Well, first of all, there's at least 3 years there between DA2 and the comic. Perhaps the old Arishok was removed from power over his perceived failure to retrieve the book in a timely manner. Perhaps he was killed in an unrelated incident at some point over those three years.

I think they can easily say, "Regardless of the ending of DA2, by the time of DA3, the character you know as Sten is the new Arishok" without having to retcon anything.

(Also, what about Morrigan got retconned? If anyone got hit with the retcon stick, it was Anders, Leliana, or Wynne).

[Plaintiff]

The DA2 Arishok could easily die some other way, or maybe demoted. He doesn't have to be slain at Hawke's hand in order to be replaced.

[Wulfram]

Varric suggests Isabela escapes with the book again. In which case it wouldn't be unreasonable for the Arishok to be demoted and replaced.

Though since this is virtually the only choice in DA2 I can see having any meaningful impact, I'd rather it wasn't downplayed in this way. Perhaps Sten can be Vice-Arishok

[Forst1999]

They would also have to make Sten alive regardless of your DA:O decisions. You can't kill him if I recall correctly, but he would need to escape Lothering somehow if you don't recruit him. He appeared quite willing to take his punishment to me.

[Aldaris951]

Only thing I can think of to snap sten out of that is if he hears a rumor of where his sword is from a passing npc before the town gets attacked.

[Maclimes]

Forst1999 wrote...

They would also have to make Sten alive regardless of your DA:O decisions. You can't kill him if I recall correctly, but he would need to escape Lothering somehow if you don't recruit him. He appeared quite willing to take his punishment to me.

Again, we don't know what happened off-camera during that time. Perhaps he had a revelation, and realized he needed to get back to the qunari and tell them of the blight. Perhaps someone else set him free for some other reason. There's an assumption that Sten dies if he's left in Lothering, but certainly nothing concrete.

[Knight of Dane]

It's not hard to beleive someone could have opened the cage. And even if Sten faced Darkspawn: If he could slay them, wouldn't that be fate as much as death?

[brushyourteeth]

Not everything in the comics is necessarily canon. DG has said that if Alistair dies on your playthrough, for instance, the comics don't make him alive and king. That's just the set up he chose for the sake of telling the story that most interested him.

So in your game, there's a chance that Sten isn't the Arishok at all. Or there could be a retconned reason for it if he is - but I wouldn't take it as a for sure thing, especially if he's not involved in DAIII at all.

[Potato Cat]

First of all, the DA2 Arishok was in Kirkwall for a long time looking for the Tome Of Koslun, which seems to contradict the Qunari's affinity for efficiency. If he did manage to get back, it is highly likely he would have been demoted for failure to retrieve the Tome quick enough.

Second of all, he was in Kirkwall for a long time looking for the Tome Of Koslun. And yes, this IS a different point, let me finish. We don't know how much contact he had with the rest of Par Vollen and the Ariqun and Arigena. For all we know, the remaining Triumvirate believed him to have died long before becoming stranded in Kirkwall, and let's face it, he will have been needed for various other duties, especially the Qunari's war with Tevinter. It's not unlikely they will have needed a replacement quickly.

Finally, his true fate, even if he survived Kirkwall, is never explicitly revealed. For all we know, he became Tal-Vashoth. Unlikely, given his dispostion towards the Qun and Tal-Vashoth, but you never know. He could have been killed in Isabela's escape perhaps.

[King Cousland]

Who's to say the Arishok didn't die of natural causes when he left Kirkwall? Perhaps he was relatively elderly or picked up some disease. 

[Chaos Lord Malek]

In my playthrough. Sten is dead, and i want it to stay that way.

[Maclimes]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

In my playthrough. Sten is dead, and i want it to stay that way.

How did Sten die? You can leave him in Lothering, but that doesn't mean he died. It just means he didn't travel with the Warden. You can fight him at Haven, but he doesn't die, he just leaves.

[Beerfish]

The old Arishok was an alcoholic drunk who probably died from cirrhosis of the liver. Ever walk around his chair in DA2? Always littered with empty liquor bottles.

[WhiteKnyght]

The Arishok, even if survived DAII, could have died or been replaced for any number of reasons later and Sten made the new one.

His conquest of Kirkwall defied the parameters of his mission, Qunari don't tolerate defiance, at all. He probably went back to Par Vollen believing that he had done right, only for the Temassrans to demote him.

[WhiteKnyght]

The Arishok, even if survived DAII, could have died or been replaced for any number of reasons later and Sten made the new one.

His conquest of Kirkwall defied the parameters of his mission, Qunari don't tolerate defiance, at all. He probably went back to Par Vollen believing that he had done right, only for the Temassrans to demote him.

[Atakuma]

Having the Arishok be replaced after the events of da2 is not a retcon at all.

[King Cousland]

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

In my playthrough. Sten is dead, and i want it to stay that way.

Odd, considering Sten can't die. 

[Eveangaline]

I assume if you handed him isabella, she'd kill him in her escape

King Cousland wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

In my playthrough. Sten is dead, and i want it to stay that way.

Odd, considering Sten can't die. 

Can't he die in loethering?

Modifié par Eveangaline, 04 octobre 2012 - 06:05 .

[King Cousland]

Eveangaline wrote...

I assume if you handed him isabella, she'd kill him in her escape

King Cousland wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...

In my playthrough. Sten is dead, and i want it to stay that way.

Odd, considering Sten can't die. 

Can't he die in loethering?

That's the assumption, but it's never confirmed nor do we see it. Any number of things could have happened once the Warden left, he could have broken down his cage door, the Revered Mother could have released him for some reason, a sympathetic village could have released him in return for his aid in defending the village. 

[Maclimes]

King Cousland wrote...

That's the assumption, but it's never confirmed nor do we see it. Any number of things could have happened once the Warden left, he could have broken down his cage door, the Revered Mother could have released him for some reason, a sympathetic village could have released him in return for his aid in defending the village. 

Or, as mentioned earlier, it's possible he overheard a rumor about a qunari sword being sold (or possibly even was being taunted by a farmer who had heard the same rumor) and busted out of that cage like the Kool-Aid man.

[King Cousland]

Maclimes wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

That's the assumption, but it's never confirmed nor do we see it. Any number of things could have happened once the Warden left, he could have broken down his cage door, the Revered Mother could have released him for some reason, a sympathetic village could have released him in return for his aid in defending the village. 

Or, as mentioned earlier, it's possible he overheard a rumor about a qunari sword being sold (or possibly even was being taunted by a farmer who had heard the same rumor) and busted out of that cage like the Kool-Aid man.

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[Robhuzz]

There's not even a guarantee that the Arishok (or even the Qunari in general) will be in DA3 at all. I certainly can't see them play a role in the events unless we travel to Tevinter and the Qunari think it's a good time to invade and destroy said country...

But the DA team doesn't seem to be above retconning a whole lot of things so don't expect an exception for this.

[CitizenThom]

I assume that as there are many Stens in the Qun, their are many Arishoks. That said, do we know if Qunari ever promote from one role to another? It seems like that would be problematic for the Qun's caste-ish know-your-role-ish point of view. Is a Sten always a Sten? Is an Arishok an Arishok from birth? It would seem that way from what I've seen of the Qun so far.

[Robhuzz]

CitizenThom wrote...

I assume that as there are many Stens in the Qun, their are many Arishoks. That said, do we know if Qunari ever promote from one role to another? It seems like that would be problematic for the Qun's caste-ish know-your-role-ish point of view. Is a Sten always a Sten? Is an Arishok an Arishok from birth? It would seem that way from what I've seen of the Qun so far.

I'm no expert on Qunari lore but it seems when you're 12 to 14 ish years old, the tamassrans decide which role best fits your skills. That said, I doubt they'll turn a 14 year old kid into the Arishok. So when a boy shows a talent for combat, he's put in the army and given a karasten or ashaad role but is able to rise in rank to Sten or even Arishok if he shows prowess.

I dunno, just a guess here but like I said, I don't think a 14 year old will be given the role of Arishok or even Sten at that age without having properly proven himself.