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[Maclimes]

CitizenThom wrote...

I assume that as there are many Stens in the Qun, their are many Arishoks. That said, do we know if Qunari ever promote from one role to another? It seems like that would be problematic for the Qun's caste-ish know-your-role-ish point of view. Is a Sten always a Sten? Is an Arishok an Arishok from birth? It would seem that way from what I've seen of the Qun so far.

I think you can go up or down, but not side to side.

For example, both Sten and Arishok are ranks of the warriors. A warrior can become a more high ranking warrior, but he could not become a farmer. Just as a farmer can become a more high ranking farmer, but not a Sten or Arishok or other warrior rank.

[upsettingshorts]

It would only be a retcon if the comics asserted that the Arishok in DA2 was DAO's Sten.

Retcons are not "things that did not play out exactly as I expected."

[Kasces]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It would only be a retcon if the comics asserted that the Arishok in DA2 was DAO's Sten.

Retcons are not "things that did not play out exactly as I expected."

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Is he going to be in Dragon Age 3? If so, is he going to look more like the Arishok from DA2?

[blaidfiste]

If they're going to retcon do it with no explanation

[Knight of Dane]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Is he going to be in Dragon Age 3? If so, is he going to look more like the Arishok from DA2?

[Nimpe]

This thread is misinformed on so many levels.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Wait Sten is the new Arishok? Doesnt that mean that his name is no longer Sten?

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:12 .

[Drimberly]

Stenishok. I want my Stenishok DAMNIT! Old Arishok got demoted for not killing Hawke or something like that. Or maybe Isabella.

[Maclimes]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Wait Sten is the new Arishok? Doesnt that mean that his name is no longer Sten?

In the continuity of the comics, yes. His previous rank was Sten (that's not his name). He got promoted, and now he's Arishok.

[Yuoaman]

Knight of Dane wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Is he going to be in Dragon Age 3? If so, is he going to look more like the Arishok from DA2?

*clap clap*

That's fantastic as all get-out.

I imagine if the Arishok returned after three years he probably would have willingly submitted to either being executed or exiled or something for his percieved failure in getting the book back in a timely manner.

[Mr.House]

Sten being the Arishok no matter what would be a retcon only if Sten could die in DAO.

[LadyWench]

Wait...now, I can't support this with any specific canon off the top of my head, but for some reason I was under the impression that there could be more than one Arishok...that maybe each "tribe" or area of occupation had it's own leader, as opposed to a single Qunari dictator. Thankfully, I see that there are others on this thread who were under the same impression, which makes me feel slightly less crazy (about that issue, anyway).

I mean, otherwise...unless, if there IS one Arishok, they assumed he was dead after all those years in Kirkwall and they appointed a replacement. Boy, if he showed up (he id dead as dead can be in all my playthroughs, lol), I bet they'll be all kinds of surprised/embarrassed. Well, for them.

Also, holy crap, OP, I haven't gotten that far in the comics. Uber spoiler! Now I can't wait to catch up again... O_O

[NedPepper]

Wait, Sten is the new Arishok?  Holy crap.  This is good.  Let's use this in the game.  And don't you NO meme me!

Unless...he hasn't been retconned with horns, has he?  I need to check out these comics.

[NedPepper]

Knight of Dane wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Is he going to be in Dragon Age 3? If so, is he going to look more like the Arishok from DA2?

That is spectacular!  Awesome stuff here.  Our little Sten's all grown up!

[LystAP]

LadyWench wrote...

Wait...now, I can't support this with any specific canon off the top of my head, but for some reason I was under the impression that there could be more than one Arishok...that maybe each "tribe" or area of occupation had it's own leader, as opposed to a single Qunari dictator. Thankfully, I see that there are others on this thread who were under the same impression, which makes me feel slightly less crazy (about that issue, anyway).

I mean, otherwise...unless, if there IS one Arishok, they assumed he was dead after all those years in Kirkwall and they appointed a replacement. Boy, if he showed up (he id dead as dead can be in all my playthroughs, lol), I bet they'll be all kinds of surprised/embarrassed. Well, for them.

Also, holy crap, OP, I haven't gotten that far in the comics. Uber spoiler! Now I can't wait to catch up again... O_O

Arishok and Sten are jobs that belong in the "body" of the Qun, of which our Sten is a part of. People presume that the Qunari just give people a job and they are stuck with it for the rest of their lives.

This is completely untrue; the Qunari are able to move up and down the job ladder of their respective caste. Qunari society is divided into three main bodies, each lead by its own exemplar; as long as they remain within their respective castes, they can change their jobs as long as that job falls into the jurisdiction of his caste. Sten could be a guard, or a archer, or a sapper, or he could become the Aristok. As long as he is kept within the bounds of the Qun, he can change. If the Qunari were really that inflexible with experience, they would have lost to the Exalted Marches along time ago. 

Modifié par LystAP, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:26 .

[LinksOcarina]

Um...isent the comics it's own canon?

[TEWR]

Aldaris951 wrote...

(I Fully support retconning sten as the new arishok in all choices if it means bioware can give sten a bigger role btw)

It wouldn't be a retcon. Promotions occur within the given fields of the Qunari -- as in people in the army can ascend to higher ranks.

So even if you let the Arishok live and leave with Isabela in tow, this does not mean Sten cannot be promoted. In fact, given how Isabela escapes with the relic again if that path was chosen, I would assume that the Arishok would be ashamed by his second failure and retire and subsequently be placed in the care of the Tamassrans -- possibly due to being older then we thought he was.

And if he felt he couldn't even teach new soldiers -- or possibly be an advisor to the Stenishok -- he would kill himself, because when a Qunari loses their identity in their society it traumatizes them so much that most do kill themselves.

Personally, I'm not sure which of those scenarios I like more -- retire and become advisor to the Stenishok on Arishok'll matters, or suicide due to feeling like he has lost his entire identity.

Possibly the former, as it seems the more... in line with what we know of the Arishok. He did almost conquer Kirkwall, so he isn't totally inept at his job. But given how he didn't make the most out of Kirkwall's area to help his attack -- like placing saar-qamek on the stairwells to Hightown and positioning a Saarebas/group of spearchucker Qunari there -- he's also not that great a general, it seems.

However in the New DA comics. Sten is the new Arishok. I am aware that the comics have their own canon but do you guys think the DA2 arishok will be in DA3 or will he get morriganned?

He'll be there. The DA3 game will end with the Stenishok on a Qunari dreadnought, clad in badass Arishok armor with his badass goatee and badass longhair. He will have a box of kittens under one arm and a box of cookies under the other.

And he shall look towards the screen and say...

....

"No".

*cue credits*

CitizenThorn wrote...

their are many Arishoks

There aren't. The Qunari have only one Arishok, one Arigena, and one Ariqun -- leaders of the military, craftsmen, and priesthood respectively.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:42 .

[CitizenThom]

The question is, how do you reconcile the Sten from Dragon Age Origins with the Arishok of Dragon Age 2? They don't seem to come from exactly the same Qun. We still don't know exactly why Sten killed the people who took him in from a Qun standpoint, or if the Sten in Origins was essentially Tal Vashoth.

I haven't read anything outside of the game itself... so if there's some filling of the blanks that occured in comics books or otherwise, I would have missed it.

[CitizenThom]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

CitizenThorn wrote...

their are many Arishoks

There aren't. The Qunari have only one Arishok, one Arigena, and one Ariqun -- leaders of the military, craftsmen, and priesthood respectively.

So the Arishok is the highest rank in the military caste? He came to Kirkwall? I know it's a holy book and all, but I didn't realise it was so important that they sent the chief of their military caste to recover it.

Also, The Arishok being out and exposed, I'm surprised Tevinter didn't attempt to assasinate him while he was in Kirkwall.

[ADeadDiehard]

I'm willing to bet that, if the Arishok survived, he'd be demoted or executed for the ****storm he caused in Kirkwall.

[TEWR]

CitizenThom wrote...

The question is, how do you reconcile the Sten from Dragon Age Origins with the Arishok of Dragon Age 2? They don't seem to come from exactly the same Qun. We still don't know exactly why Sten killed the people who took him in from a Qun standpoint, or if the Sten in Origins was essentially Tal Vashoth.

I... think you're mistaken on many fronts.

There is only one Qun. Sten talks of Seheron -- his homeland -- and that homeland is under the jurisdiction/authority of the Qunari, who live there and in Par Vollen.

Second, Sten hates the Tal-Vashoth with a passion, for what they do to innocents. They attack and slaughter farmers, craftsmen, and smiths and he will relate the tale of how he and others ventured into the jungles of Seheron looking for a missing farmer, foreman, or whatever -- rank was irrelevant. What mattered was that a friend went missing.

Sometimes even people of the village would go in the jungle alongside Sten looking for any sign of their friends.

And for Sten's sword? He killed the farmers in a fit of panic, because if he returned home without his sword the Qunari would label him "Soulless" -- literally, as his sword Asala means "soul" -- and slay him on sight. To a Qunari, the item that represents their role in society is something they must keep with them at all costs -- something Taarbas will relate to a Hawke that returns the Lost Swords without want of coin.

On a side note: I sure as hell hope Sten has Asala in the comics or DA3. That sword is just as much a part of him as his love of cookies, kittens, his role in the Qun, and whatnot.

[TEWR]

CitizenThom wrote...

So the Arishok is the highest rank in the military caste? He came to Kirkwall? I know it's a holy book and all, but I didn't realise it was so important that they sent the chief of their military caste to recover it.

The Antaam are the eyes and ears of the Qunari society in regards to the happenings of the world outside of their borders.

They're not very good diplomats -- though the Arishok was actually trying to be one fairly well with the Viscount, even though he should've been meeting with Meredith as well since she was the Woman-Behind-the-Man -- and this is something the devs have jokingly referenced on the forums.

But remember, Orlais had the book. This is a holy relic, and it must be guarded at all costs. You can't really predict how something like this will go down, so it's best to bring a few hundred soldiers with you. You'd think the Qunari would've sent some Ben-Hassrath along as well -- guardians of the faith -- but meh... I don't think Bioware thought that part through. 

CitizenThorn wrote...
Also, The Arishok being out and exposed, I'm surprised Tevinter didn't attempt to assasinate him while he was in Kirkwall.

Well, consider that they haven't even made a dent in the war against the Qunari on Seheron even while the Arishok was away.

If the Arishok is away and they're still failing, then they're not going to be able to do much against a few hundred Qunari soldiers in Kirkwall with the Arishok alongside them.

Also, it might cause the Qunari to declare war immediately and unleash their full assault on Tevinter.

Plus, as was stated below, the Qunari structure wouldn't really fall apart if the Arishok was killed. As was said in the comics, one dies and another arises.

So... pick your poison I guess

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 octobre 2012 - 03:25 .

[AntiChri5]

CitizenThom wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

CitizenThorn wrote...

their are many Arishoks

There aren't. The Qunari have only one Arishok, one Arigena, and one Ariqun -- leaders of the military, craftsmen, and priesthood respectively.

So the Arishok is the highest rank in the military caste? He came to Kirkwall? I know it's a holy book and all, but I didn't realise it was so important that they sent the chief of their military caste to recover it.

Also, The Arishok being out and exposed, I'm surprised Tevinter didn't attempt to assasinate him while he was in Kirkwall.

Isn't that book a tome written by the same guy who invented the qun? It's hard to overstate the importance of that to the qunari, since every aspect of their society revolves around the qun.

That book could be the qun 2.0 for all we know.

Then again, it might be qun fanfiction.

I don't think the loss of an Arishok would matter that much to the qunari. Their society is really not lacking in structure, and the main reason to assassinate an enemy leader is to destabilise the enemy. As far as the Tevinters are concerned, an identical replacement will step in as soon as the Arishok dies.

[b09boy]

Last I heard the comics and books taking place post Origins are not necessarily canon. As in, the events within them may or may not take place depending on your choices made. For instance, Asunder obviously would not happen as is if Wynne and Shale died and the comics would not happen as they did if Alistair never became king. The EU, shall we call it, relies on a certain happening of events which don't necessarily occur in the games.