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[Silensfurtim]

this might help you



http://social.biowar...66/index/223777

[termokanden]

An interesting question. I'm looking to try rogue myself, but haven't yet figured out how to build it.



However, I can tell you that you're not missing because your dex is high. Strength and dex both increase attack rating by the same amount.

[highcastle]

Personally, I find Con to be fairly worthless, particularly for a rogue. This class is a glass cannon, and throwing points into Con won't rectify that. You're better off sticking with Dex for your main skill. Cunning should be brought up to 22 to access all rogue talents. Str is good only to gain access to upper level weapons, particularly if you'll be using a long sword or something comparable as your main hand weapon. So raise it up just enough to get you access to the weapons you want, then leave it alone. A few points willpower's way won't hurt much, but if you do assassin and get feast of the fallen, you should never run out of stamina anyway (assuming you're proficient at back-stabbing, anyway).



As far as weapon talents go, I prefer to stick with DW and stay away from archery, but that's my own baggage. All of the DW are strong, and I usually fill out all 3 chains. Whirlwind is a doozy if you ever find yourself in a mob. Riposte gives you another chance to stun opponents, meaning auto backstab once you have Coup de Grace.

[termokanden]

So if I want to make a completely Dex-based rogue and don't care about wearing end-game items early, how much strength do I need exactly? I want to wear the best rogue gear really, but I'll be using dual daggers and don't care about longswords.



Furthermore, if I take 22 Cunning, how much would I need in Coercion to succeed at every check?



Oh and by the way, if I bring Leliana as usual I won't need to worry about locks and traps. Guess I could skip the whole Device Mastery line altogether.

[Silensfurtim]

termokanden wrote...

So if I want to make a completely Dex-based rogue and don't care about wearing end-game items early, how much strength do I need exactly? I want to wear the best rogue gear really, but I'll be using dual daggers and don't care about longswords.

Furthermore, if I take 22 Cunning, how much would I need in Coercion to succeed at every check?

Oh and by the way, if I bring Leliana as usual I won't need to worry about locks and traps. Guess I could skip the whole Device Mastery line altogether.

20 STR for Felons Coat. STR bonuses will take care of Helm of Honnleath (requires 22 STR)

22 CUN + 4 Coercion Skill will do the trick.

[termokanden]

Alright thanks. I have some testing to do

[swk3000]

Human Noble Rogue doesn't need to put any points into Strength to equip either the Felon's Coat or the Helm of Honnleath. If you go to Honnleath right after leaving Lothering, it will only be made of Grey Iron, and only needs 20 Strength to equip. Between the Fade Essences and a few easy-to-find accessories, you can get the 20 Strength needed to equip the Helm and the Felon's Coat without ever putting a point into Strength.

[termokanden]

Wow, that's pretty silly, but a good point indeed.

[swk3000]

Well, the way I see it, every point I don't need to put into Strength to equip what I plan to wear is another point that I can put into my primary Attribute (Cunning for me, Dexterity for you).

[swk3000]

I like to get the first two skills in the passive tree (Dual Weapon Training and Dual Weapon Finesse). Second tree, I go as far as Riposte (another stun is always useful). In the third tree, I beeline to get Momentum, as that is an amazing skill. Other than that, I'd say throw most of your points into the Rogue tree, and once you get the stuff you want, start filling out the Archery tree, just to have something to do with your points.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by, 'Only one wasted point in Strength'. Human Rogues start off with 11 Strength base (one point comes from their Racial bonus), so you don't need to put any points into Strength, period.

Modifié par swk3000, 28 décembre 2009 - 06:19 .

[termokanden]

I'm guessing Shavon already started and has already invested a point in strength.



Anyway I get what you mean about not placing points in strength. It's the scaling of the helm that I find silly

[Skiffee]

I think everybody has pretty much pointed out all the best points on a rogue already...

I have a rogue with 22 strength, 22 cunning, and 50 something Dex right now.

I got him as a duelist, and was going to get him as an assassin too but Zev turned on me (First time playing through, didn't know I needed to romance the guy before a certain point ><;;!)

I never get touched with Evasion (1 in 5 chance to dodge) and I parry anything I don't dodge.

I never personally thought Whirlwind came in use often enough for me to get it though, so I skipped the last 2 in that line and filled out other things instead. (Like stealth, being able to stealth during combat can help quite a bit! Get that pretty early on if you can)

I'd advise also skipping Feign Death personally, if your in a situation where you need it then your most likely going to need a reload anyways lol. Save the point and put it elsewhere (=

[swk3000]

I'm not big on Evasion myself. Also, to my understanding, Dex Rogues don't need Evasion because Dexterity also gives you a better chance to Dodge. And since I've heard that having Evade trigger causes your character to actually stop doing anything until you tell them to attack or use a Talent, it sound like an all around useless ability. That's just based on what I've heard, though, so it may be wrong.

[Silensfurtim]

Evasion could be useful... if the character really evades lol. but all we get is blocking/parrying animation. I hope Bioware fixes this. Just remove the animation and this talent will be very useful.

Modifié par Silensfurtim, 28 décembre 2009 - 06:35 .

[Gaidren]

Just want to point out that heavy Str rogues using 2h weapons are also a viable option (in fact they are very powerful, so long as you have Haste in the party).



Below the Belt is amazing with 2h weapons, and if you know how to manually reset the swing timer (pause game, activate an ability, then cancel by activating auto-attack again) the instant your attacks hit your DPS is massive.



I've tried high Cunning dagger/dagger rogues and high Dex dagger/dagger rogues, and my favorite thus far has been high Str using Starfang. Tons of free talent/skill points too!

[Gaidren]

Modifié par Gaidren, 28 décembre 2009 - 06:56 .

[swk3000]

That's hardly a problem. There are only about 2 points of difference between each race in the key attributes a class uses, so you can use whatever. In the case of Rogues, Humans are ever-so-slightly better, but you're not screwing yourself over by going with an Elf.

[Gwydion Navare]

Ah anouther rogue thread Honestly though, how you want to build your rogue depends on how you want to play. I would focus on archery or DW though, as that yeilds the best results, not that you wish to play that way. It is worth noting though that both have very distint play styles and build types. - and Assassin is backstab fucused so it would appear your leaning DW. If you like dex consider daggers which dain Dmg bonus from Dex now. Larger weapons use STR only, which leads to the lethality Cun for DMG route...

[wwwwowwww]

Not the first time I've heard about this Felon's Coat, I know where get it, but don't you have to have some sort of scales or something first? If so where do you get those?

[Kepha]

Felon's Coat is sold at Wade's shop in Denerim. You don't need any scales, but you do need to be far enough in the game for the second set of goods to show up. Where the scales come in is that you can give Wade 2 sets of scales to make two sets of drakeskin armor for you, but after the second set of scales you can no longer buy anything at the shop. So if you want the Felon's coat you need to buy it before you have the second set of drakeskin made.

[SusanStoHelit]

Since the last patch, rogue DW works differently than before. Put simply, cunning is far more important than it was before, if you choose to use Lethality. What stats are best depends on what build/what weapons you are going to use. For a detailed analysis, see the following:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/66/index/223777

I hope that helps.

Edit: oops, sorry, should have said that there are other posts/threads that deal with this too. But you can search for them yourself if you want. The link was just meant to give you a better picture of the kinds of things involved.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 29 décembre 2009 - 02:51 .