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kr3g wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

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Are you sure that turian is an Engineer?


Yes, the filename ends in EngineerTurian.png.

Which file name? From patch or just that picture? Becuase i can reupload it with "asari dancer" name. :)
That Drell have omni-tool, QMI have one as well. Not necessaraly an Engineer.


Anyway, why no salarians? :)


The image is hosted on Bioware's own site and located in the same place as all the other chararcater cards from the Manifest.

That said, Datamine said Turian Soldier, Infiltrator, and Vanguard.  I'm more inclined to belive the in game Code than a filename on the website.  Guess we'll know for sure come tuesday afternoon when Cyonan gets his hands on the DLC itself.

Modifié par MrScottBear, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:40 .


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Asari Infiltrator?

God no, god please no. Asari are codex-required to be biotics. An Asari Sniper is a Vanguard, they don't NEED to be Infiltrators.

Collectors are ok. Female Krogan are unlikely, but I suppose it could work. But Asari Infiltrators are just too far.

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kr3g wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

kr3g wrote...

Are you sure that turian is an Engineer?


Yes, the filename ends in EngineerTurian.png.

Which file name? From patch or just that picture? Becuase i can reupload it with "asari dancer" name. :)
That Drell have omni-tool, QMI have one as well. Not necessarily an Engineer.


Anyway, why no salarians? :)

No, they're uploaded to the BioWare servers with those names. Same folder as all the pictures of the classes on your manifest.

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FictionalBreger wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...
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I'd suggest using another color for the text. It makes my eyes hurt. At least in contrast to the grey background of the forums. Either a lighter blue, or make it white with blue glow.

Other than that, nice!

It wasn't my pic (I just added the new guys) but you are right, so I changed the color.

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IndigoVitare wrote...

Asari Infiltrator?

God no, god please no. Asari are codex-required to be biotics. An Asari Sniper is a Vanguard, they don't NEED to be Infiltrators.

Collectors are ok. Female Krogan are unlikely, but I suppose it could work. But Asari Infiltrators are just too far.


An Asari Biotic with a tactical cloaking device is unbelivable to you? They are perhaps the most sceintifically advanced councel race after all. If they can operate an omni-tool, they can operate a cloaking device lol.

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I want a Salarian soldier with flashbang grenades...

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Rudest wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Asari Infiltrator?

God no, god please no. Asari are codex-required to be biotics. An Asari Sniper is a Vanguard, they don't NEED to be Infiltrators.

Collectors are ok. Female Krogan are unlikely, but I suppose it could work. But Asari Infiltrators are just too far.


An Asari Biotic with a tactical cloaking device is unbelivable to you? They are perhaps the most sceintifically advanced councel race after all. If they can operate an omni-tool, they can operate a cloaking device lol.


That's not the point. The point is that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:

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Asari live for centuries, I could see one learning a fair bit of each under a special circumstance or training plan. However, true to your point, this does seem a touch convoluted.

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TMB903 wrote...

I want a Salarian soldier with flashbang grenades...


I like this concept. Really miss the flashbangs.

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Nissun wrote...

Rudest wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Asari Infiltrator?

God no, god please no. Asari are codex-required to be biotics. An Asari Sniper is a Vanguard, they don't NEED to be Infiltrators.

Collectors are ok. Female Krogan are unlikely, but I suppose it could work. But Asari Infiltrators are just too far.


An Asari Biotic with a tactical cloaking device is unbelivable to you? They are perhaps the most sceintifically advanced councel race after all. If they can operate an omni-tool, they can operate a cloaking device lol.


That's not the point. The point is that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:

I don't really see a problem when we already have the N7 Paladin listed under Sentinel yet he only has tech powers. 

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Not all asari become biotics, though it does exclude them from military service. Though at this point in the war, I don't think anyone would argue with them fighting the reapers...

Just as the Volus have to have SOME SORT of ability to fight else, you know, they would probably be dead...

Modifié par Gwyphon, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:54 .


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Nissun wrote...

Rudest wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Asari Infiltrator?

God no, god please no. Asari are codex-required to be biotics. An Asari Sniper is a Vanguard, they don't NEED to be Infiltrators.

Collectors are ok. Female Krogan are unlikely, but I suppose it could work. But Asari Infiltrators are just too far.


An Asari Biotic with a tactical cloaking device is unbelivable to you? They are perhaps the most sceintifically advanced councel race after all. If they can operate an omni-tool, they can operate a cloaking device lol.


That's not the point. The point is that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:

Why must every class be stuck in Shepard's mould? S/he may be the hero, but his/her version of a class isn't the only version.

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I don't understand how every single fighter of a race would feel oblidged to use biotics just because they were born with them.

I know gameplay usually isn't the thing to take example of when it comes to lore, but I'd say not every fighting speciality would benefit from a biotic "spell" every now and then. Would a sniper really need to use biotics?

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PKSovereign wrote...
why no new salarians?


kr3g wrote...
Anyway, why no salarians? :)


Because nobody made a meme about them ¬¬


Nissun wrote...

That's not the point. The point is
that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech
powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is
just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic
infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:


That was established with the N7 Paladin ;)

Modifié par Cdr_Gian, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:55 .


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In chess, bishops can only move diagonally, even though real life Bishops can walk on a straight line.

Because it's a game, and games have specific rules. Of course Asari can be tech experts and infiltrators with biotics. Only, in our game, infiltrators should not have biotics, because you would be screwing up the system.


Bon3zz1001 wrote...
I don't really see a problem when we already have the N7 Paladin listed under Sentinel yet he only has tech powers. 



Ummm, this is not quite the same thing. The Paladin has *half* of the powers assumed on a Sentinel. A biotic infiltrator would have *all three* power classes in one, breaking the mold completely.

If anything, we should get a fully biotic sentinel to balance out the Paladin.

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Bon3zz1001 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

Rudest wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Asari Infiltrator?

God no, god please no. Asari are codex-required to be biotics. An Asari Sniper is a Vanguard, they don't NEED to be Infiltrators.

Collectors are ok. Female Krogan are unlikely, but I suppose it could work. But Asari Infiltrators are just too far.


An Asari Biotic with a tactical cloaking device is unbelivable to you? They are perhaps the most sceintifically advanced councel race after all. If they can operate an omni-tool, they can operate a cloaking device lol.


That's not the point. The point is that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:

I don't really see a problem when we already have the N7 Paladin listed under Sentinel yet he only has tech powers. 


I thought Asari Commandoes were adept at assassination and sabotage...there's even a codex entry about the Armalli sniper unit...that Asari wouldn't be able to use tech skills like tactical cloak is absurd, that said, they might not be as adept at it as a Salarian, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't make good infiltrators and Sentinels. (who we see in ME2 among the mercenaries)

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Cdr_Gian wrote...

Nissun wrote...

That's not the point. The point is
that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech
powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is
just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic
infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:


That was established with the N7 Paladin ;)


I'd say they stablished it when they gave us the Vorcha, Phoenix and male Quarians with identical abilities, and then they switched out some of them for grenades, singularity and incinerate. :happy:

I also predict many repeated abilities in this DLC. Batarian with lash, Drell with homing grenades... I guess the only ones with new, cool abilities will be the ones with new appearances too.

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I found this picture an mass effect wiki.

Image IPB

The geth soldier looks cool but who knows how much of this will become true.

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setrus86 wrote...


I thought Asari Commandoes were adept at assassination and sabotage...there's even a codex entry about the Armalli sniper unit...that Asari wouldn't be able to use tech skills like tactical cloak is absurd, that said, they might not be as adept at it as a Salarian, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't make good infiltrators and Sentinels. (who we see in ME2 among the mercenaries)


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I have literally never said that. So yeah, instead of further derailing this thread, let me say one last thing: If they do add an infiltrator with biotics, I don't care. Seriously. I'm okay with it.

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setrus86 wrote...

Bon3zz1001 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

Rudest wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

Asari Infiltrator?

God no, god please no. Asari are codex-required to be biotics. An Asari Sniper is a Vanguard, they don't NEED to be Infiltrators.

Collectors are ok. Female Krogan are unlikely, but I suppose it could work. But Asari Infiltrators are just too far.


An Asari Biotic with a tactical cloaking device is unbelivable to you? They are perhaps the most sceintifically advanced councel race after all. If they can operate an omni-tool, they can operate a cloaking device lol.


That's not the point. The point is that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:

I don't really see a problem when we already have the N7 Paladin listed under Sentinel yet he only has tech powers. 


I thought Asari Commandoes were adept at assassination and sabotage...there's even a codex entry about the Armalli sniper unit...that Asari wouldn't be able to use tech skills like tactical cloak is absurd, that said, they might not be as adept at it as a Salarian, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't make good infiltrators and Sentinels. (who we see in ME2 among the mercenaries)


And the fact that there's a conversation with Liara when she says that there are Asari who choose to not use their biotic powers, and that they can join the military as well as some other infrastructure jobs.

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Nissun wrote...That's not the point. The point is that, since ME1, infiltrators were a mix of combat powers and tech powers. A biotic infiltrator would be tech, combat AND biotics, and is just no. No. Too dumb. But hey, if we're getting volus, then a biotic infiltrator is just another sign of how little f*cks they give! :happy:


Totally agree. There's definitely an Asari Huntress though, it was on the official DLC reveal until they removed some of the classes (Batarian Vanguard, Krogan Adept) and only named the Turian Infiltrator and Havoc Soldier.

What we're going to end up with is either:

1) An Asari with no biotics (weird), which would satisfy the class requirement of combat + tech, or
2) An Infiltrator with biotics, which would totally break the game's class rules.

I'd much prefer the first option. The Paladin doesn't break any rules, as a Sentinel is supposed to have tech powers. They're also supposed to have biotics, but the fact they have tech powers isn't against the rules for the class.

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I am lost: will we get only four classes this tuesday?, and the other 12?, in future DLC's?

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LoboFH wrote...

I am lost: will we get only four classes this tuesday?, and the other 12?, in future DLC's?

4 at launch and the others will be rolling out over time. Whether that's daily/weekly/monthly I have no idea.

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LoboFH wrote...

I am lost: will we get only four classes this tuesday?, and the other 12?, in future DLC's?

Yeah, four with Retaliation and the other 12 at some point in the future. 

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LoboFH wrote...

I am lost: will we get only four classes this tuesday?, and the other 12?, in future DLC's?


I think they might trickle them every now and then just like how we got the Raider. So a few every week I guess.