901 réponses à ce sujet

[Beelzebubs]

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

When you play as Geth, just think of the Ops Survival as some kind of quick-fix nanobot package, and the Medi-Gel as simply Omni-Gel. There, I solved the ****ing 'problem' for you, now quit spewing ****.

Zhuinden wrote...
Or "bleed out".

WHY do you people insist on replying to a thread you don't even ****ing skim for replies to your posts?

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...
Seriously guys, have you even played MP in the last few months as Geth?
They BLEED out.

So all this lore-talk does no good, we should just enjoy the game for what it is.

They lose hydraulic fluid, resulting in their immobilisation, until the end of the wave where repairs are made and pressure is restored. Let's just say they skip the part where the surviving team members do the repairs on synthetics and the healing of organics.

And according to your rationalisation what is to stop Volus having a layer of "omni-gel" in their suits which repair them over time?

[Hantaksk]

Well, i must admit that the eventual inclusion of volus on the MP is sort of confusing to me.

I would totally like to have new characters, but i think we can all agree that at some point we do like to keep the game as coherent as posible.

With that in mind, even when nothing on the campaign or comics ive read admit volus as a fighting race this does not mean there couldnt be a select few that could be up to fight, let me elaborate.
Think about this, Volus are squishy, cant move fast, are very small and seem weak for the most, dont have any known combat skill (like biotic abilities, natural toughness, agility or tech proficiency, etc) but they are merchants, they can provide others with guns, or whatever and they could probably equip themselves with exoskeletons if they wanted to.

I got in mind a character like this... slow movement speed, cant roll, maybe jump to the sides?, probably an engineer or sentinel class, high health and high shields, some kind of weapon specialist? mixed in with defensive abilities and offensive tech skills.

Still, looking forward to see how this evolves

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Happy Shepard wrote...

Fun fact, when somebody posts about Prothean character ideas, BSN goes ape**** about lore. When it's about Volus? Not so much. They're cute and all.

This. Volus are only popular because of the ridiculous "biotic god" joke. Were BSN not comprised of so many idiots who find this funny after hearing it for the thousandth time, "Playable volus" would undoubtedly see the same ape**** reaction as "playable prothean". They're not thinking about "logic" or "lore". They're thinking about all the possible arguments they can make for their stupid want of playable volus to make sense. I've taken a few classes on the human mind, and I can't help but think that those who want a playable volus (and have decent arguments, of which there are few) already have their mind set on it, and instead of seeing why that is stupid, they're trying to find ways to make it believable.

Of course, it is just a game. Just one that I care about quite a bit. Joke matches with a Volus, no matter how they explain it, will do nothing but break immersion for me.

[Beelzebubs]

Hantaksk wrote...

Well, i must admit that the eventual inclusion of volus on the MP is sort of confusing to me.

I would totally like to have new characters, but i think we can all agree that at some point we do like to keep the game as coherent as posible.

With that in mind, even when nothing on the campaign or comics ive read admit volus as a fighting race this does not mean there couldnt be a select few that could be up to fight, let me elaborate.
Think about this, Volus are squishy, cant move fast, are very small and seem weak for the most, dont have any known combat skill (like biotic abilities, natural toughness, agility or tech proficiency, etc) but they are merchants, they can provide others with guns, or whatever and they could probably equip themselves with exoskeletons if they wanted to.

I got in mind a character like this... slow movement speed, cant roll, maybe jump to the sides?, probably an engineer or sentinel class, high health and high shields, some kind of weapon specialist? mixed in with defensive abilities and offensive tech skills.

Still, looking forward to see how this evolves

I just think of them as playable mini atlases, big, slow as hell with armor and shields.

[InvincibleHero]

The JoeMan wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

There are new maps and perhaps one of them is a volus world. They would not need the suits in that scenario. Granted yes they'd likely be playable on other maps.

It isn't that they are incapable but they need the suits to survive outside their worlds. So OK maybe they have high shields and low health as in health gate one hit down.

MP is not realistic in the least. Taken down by exploding rockets; someone tends you and you're up in a few seconds or medigel yourself which LOREWISE is not as powerful as in the game. You still need lots of recovery time. Barriers and shields should not stop explosive force, but they do. Gameplay is made to be fun not adhere rigidly to lore.

People forget games are for entertainment. They do not have to adhere to your own personal standards, but are made by BW to be of value to others that will give them money for it.

I look forwards to using any and all new characters becasue it will be a new experience that I will find enjoyable whether they are on par with the GI or worse than the drell vanguard.

Perhaps volus were comedic relief but that doesn't mean they are helpless. Especially against their destruction they "Either fight or die". Sorry couldn't help it.

So you would be okay if the next pack contained male asari, dark elves, Gungans and Klingons as long as the gameplay was "fun"?

Why do people come up with scenarios that will never happen and think it proves anything? They could plausibly invent male asari if they wanted to but unlikely. If they did so what they can invalidate lore because they create it. it changes as they will.

None of the others are prooperty of BW so no chance to be kind.

Bw has created volus and can use them as they wish. It remains to be seen whether I will like it or not. I am keeping an open mind about it. The lore sanctity argument does not factor in IMO.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:23 .

[TenmaTaro]

@tictactucrac (can't properly quote on my phone)
Well, countless playthroughs and hundreds of hours of invested game play have already ensured that I've gotten my money's worth.

Volus soldiers just isn't the straw that breaks the camel's back for me. So agree to disagree and all that jazz.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Hantaksk wrote...

Well, i must admit that the eventual inclusion of volus on the MP is sort of confusing to me.

I would totally like to have new characters, but i think we can all agree that at some point we do like to keep the game as coherent as posible.

With that in mind, even when nothing on the campaign or comics ive read admit volus as a fighting race this does not mean there couldnt be a select few that could be up to fight, let me elaborate.
Think about this, Volus are squishy, cant move fast, are very small and seem weak for the most, dont have any known combat skill (like biotic abilities, natural toughness, agility or tech proficiency, etc) but they are merchants, they can provide others with guns, or whatever and they could probably equip themselves with exoskeletons if they wanted to.

I got in mind a character like this... slow movement speed, cant roll, maybe jump to the sides?, probably an engineer or sentinel class, high health and high shields, some kind of weapon specialist? mixed in with defensive abilities and offensive tech skills.

Still, looking forward to see how this evolves

With their exceptional finances and money-managing skills, they could be a better asset outfitting our forces with better weapons, ships, and other things with which to defeat the Reapers. Spending much needed resources to create an exoskeleton so that you don't explode the instant you step on a rusty nail is a ridiculous waste of money.

[DoubleHell]

At least volus should be able to roll...

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Beelzebubs wrote...
And according to your rationalisation what is to stop Volus having a layer of "omni-gel" in their suits which repair them over time?

Because, as I've said God knows how many ****ing times before, the pressure in their suit, matching like fifty times Earth's atmospheric pressure, would catastrophically explode out from any rupture. It'd probably be like the Byford Dolphin Diving Bell Accident. No amount of Omni or Medi-Gel is going to save them from that unless the outside pressure is the same, and none of the Firebases take place on planets with that kind of environment.

Modifié par BetrayerOfNihil, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:53 .

[themaltaproject]

DoubleHell wrote...

At least volus should be able to roll...

This. There sprint is a roll like the giant ass pumpkin in charlie brown thanks giving

[Zhuinden]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...

Fun fact, when somebody posts about Prothean character ideas, BSN goes ape**** about lore. When it's about Volus? Not so much. They're cute and all.

This. Volus are only popular because of the ridiculous "biotic god" joke. Were BSN not comprised of so many idiots who find this funny after hearing it for the thousandth time, "Playable volus" would undoubtedly see the same ape**** reaction as "playable prothean". They're not thinking about "logic" or "lore". They're thinking about all the possible arguments they can make for their stupid want of playable volus to make sense. I've taken a few classes on the human mind, and I can't help but think that those who want a playable volus (and have decent arguments, of which there are few) already have their mind set on it, and instead of seeing why that is stupid, they're trying to find ways to make it believable.

Of course, it is just a game. Just one that I care about quite a bit. Joke matches with a Volus, no matter how they explain it, will do nothing but break immersion for me.

Well technically, "Javik" was the 'last living prothean', and you pay money to have him on your team. Honestly, finding a stasis pod storage room on some random planet or on the Moon that no one knew about, was capable of supporting life for so long and all that, and finding a whole prothean army would completely render that nonsensical and meaningless.

Why can't you guys just wait and see what the Volus will be like?

[Malanek]

DoubleHell wrote...

At least volus should be able to roll...

Will they be able to stand back up at the end of the animation though?

[themaltaproject]

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...
And according to your rationalisation what is to stop Volus having a layer of "omni-gel" in their suits which repair them over time?

Because, as I've said God knows how many ****ing times before, the pressure in their suit, matching like fifty times Earth's atmospheric pressure, would catastrophically explode out from any rupture. It'd probably be like the Byford Dolphin Diving Bell Accident. No amount of Omni or Medi-Gel is going to save them from that unless the outside pressure is the same

Cool story bro, you know facts about a storyline that doesn't really matter. Volus doesn't need to be 100% in lore.

[Zhuinden]

InvincibleHero wrote...

The JoeMan wrote...
So you would be okay if the next pack contained male asari, dark elves, Gungans and Klingons as long as the gameplay was "fun"?

Why do people come up with scenarios that will never happen and think it proves anything? They could plausibly invent male asari if they wanted to but unlikely. If they did so what they can invalidate lore because they create it. it changes as they will.

None of the others are prooperty of BW so no chance to be kind.

Bw has created volus and can use them as they wish. It remains to be seen whether I will like it or not. i am keeping an popne mind about it. The lore sanctity argument does not factor in IMO.

Truly, why would you even attempt to justify your claim of the "Volus" being unlikely with Klingons? That's not part of the world. Would you guys have this much trouble with Hanar or Elcor? Those are the other two races that haven't been used, so those are the only two options you could prove your point with.

[Beelzebubs]

BetrayerOfNihil wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...
And according to your rationalisation what is to stop Volus having a layer of "omni-gel" in their suits which repair them over time?

Because, as I've said God knows how many ****ing times before, the pressure in their suit, matching like fifty times Earth's atmospheric pressure, would catastrophically explode out from any rupture. It'd probably be like the Byford Dolphin Diving Bell Accident. No amount of Omni or Medi-Gel is going to save them from that unless the outside pressure is the same

And who said the suit had to be fully ruptured for them to be down and out of the fight? I mean medi-gel or "omni-gel" can be applied by yourself whilst you are down. Who said it's a critical suit breach that would take them down? Maybe they only lose suit functionality such as partial mobility.

You're trying to rationalise a game where a laser beam can convert your energy into a process that combines all synthetic and organic DNA.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[Equidae]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Anyway, I'm enjoying the discussion guys, regardless of what any of us think. But here, just chew on this. It was data-mined (not sure by who, but other posts confirm it). Whats there is there.

This it off-topic, but...I saw turian infiltrator in there. Exactly how legit is it?
And my thoughts on the volus...I don't know. It's a free game though, they're not forcing you to play it. But I understand how it could upset people.

[Malanek]

Equidae wrote...
This it off-topic, but...I saw turian infiltrator in there. Exactly how legit is it?

A "Turian Ghost" kit has been confirmed.

Link http://social.biowar.../index/14346449

Modifié par Malanek999, 05 octobre 2012 - 01:58 .

[LeandroBraz]

Volus have an agreement with the Turians to protect them, since they aren't the military kind. Even their disputes are solved in other ways, rarely with conflict, so yeah, their addition is against the lore..

I can't blame Bioware, since people always ask for Volus when this subject is up (mostly kidding, I believe), so they probably see as something we want. I won't die because of it (or stop playing. I will even play with volus), but if it was my decision, I wouldn't add it, since MP and SP are linked. There's more interesting things to add, that don't look completely out of ME lore.

For people that complain about fans who care about lore, never forget that the main reason people play and love ME is the lore. I love the MP, I hope they do a even better MP on the next game, but the backbone of ME is the lore. If we ignore it, ME will become anything else, but not ME. ME fans will always show passion for the lore.

[UpirNoir]

Zhuinden wrote...
Would you guys have this much trouble with Hanar or Elcor? Those are the other two races that haven't been used, so those are the only two options you could prove your point with.

Elcor ? I would love to see them. Walking tanks, give em to me (probably boring to play though)
Hanar ? Would be ok, if they introduce a underwater fighting scenario. But on land....yeah i would have the same problem (remember the conversation with Thane in ME2 about Hanar outside of water ?)

[Beelzebubs]

LeandroBraz wrote...

Volus have an agreement with the Turians to protect them, since they aren't the military kind. Even their disputes are solved in other ways, rarely with conflict, so yeah, their addition is against the lore..

I can't blame Bioware, since people always ask for Volus when this subject is up (mostly kidding, I believe), so they probably see as something we want. I won't die because of it (or stop playing. I will even play with volus), but if it was my decision, I wouldn't add it, since MP and SP are linked. There's more interesting things to add, that don't look completely out of ME lore.

For people that complain about fans who care about lore, never forget that the main reason people play and love ME is the lore. I love the MP, I hope they do a even better MP on the next game, but the backbone of ME is the lore. If we ignore it, ME will become anything else, but not ME. ME fans will always show passion for the lore.

According to lore, what you said is partially true however read the bolded part:

The volus are not physically cut out for combat, be it a full-scale war
or even a bar room scuffle. As such, they are highly dependent on the
turians for defense, although the volus themselves do provide some
auxiliary troops to the Hierarchy. The volus will support the turians in
any war they might pursue, and the turians will do the same for the
volus.

They do appear to have troops. And just because they aren't physically cut out for it does not mean they can't use battlesuits to augment themselves.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:04 .

[tictactucrac]

Okay, now i'm sure that volus kits are a Bioware troll. Just one question : How could they seriously sprint and pass above covers ?


You can answer "krogan already do, so everything is possible". Yes that's almost right. But Krogans legs are at the size of covers. Volus legs are... what, 20, 30cm ?


Volus kits are troll, go out all of you stupid autistics with your "i want a biotic god lolololol".

[the slynx]

Ugh. Volus fighters stresses lore too far. It wouldn't feel like the ME universe any longer at that point. They've tried to keep a tenuous connection to the universe thus far, so I'm not sure why the developers would make this decision.

The rest of the add-on content sounds great, though.

[ChurchOfZod]

You have to be pretty uptight to complain about Volus in MP. I can't wait for them.

[dream3873]

Well I do not think even the volus have the luxury of just sitting back while the rest of the galaxy burns. Desperate times call for desperate measures as I am sure that includes the Volus also. If you ask me I think they will show up in mechanized suites.

[Beelzebubs]

tictactucrac wrote...

Okay, now i'm sure that volus kits are a Bioware troll. Just one question : How could they seriously sprint and pass above covers ?


You can answer "krogan already do, so everything is possible". Yes that's almost right. But Krogans legs are at the size of covers. Volus legs are... what, 20, 30cm ?


Volus kits are troll, go out all of you stupid autistics with your "i want a biotic god lolololol".

What would autism have to do with wanting playable Volus, a fun race?