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[LeandroBraz]

in favor of the addition, we don't know how it will be, which powers they will have. Adept is the most odd, literally a joke, but let see what Bioware will do. Maybe it will even have a background (which I hope the collectors have too), maybe it will make sense, maybe the powers will reflect perfectly this background, making Volus on MP completely logical.

I think there's no comeback now, they won't throw it on thrash (if it's real), so lets see what it will be before judging.

[UpirNoir]

Beelzebubs wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

Volus have an agreement with the Turians to protect them, since they aren't the military kind. Even their disputes are solved in other ways, rarely with conflict, so yeah, their addition is against the lore..

I can't blame Bioware, since people always ask for Volus when this subject is up (mostly kidding, I believe), so they probably see as something we want. I won't die because of it (or stop playing. I will even play with volus), but if it was my decision, I wouldn't add it, since MP and SP are linked. There's more interesting things to add, that don't look completely out of ME lore.

For people that complain about fans who care about lore, never forget that the main reason people play and love ME is the lore. I love the MP, I hope they do a even better MP on the next game, but the backbone of ME is the lore. If we ignore it, ME will become anything else, but not ME. ME fans will always show passion for the lore.

According to lore, what you said is partially true however read the bolded part:

The volus are not physically cut out for combat, be it a full-scale war
or even a bar room scuffle. As such, they are highly dependent on the
turians for defense, although the volus themselves do provide some
auxiliary troops to the Hierarchy. The volus will support the turians in
any war they might pursue, and the turians will do the same for the
volus.

They do appear to have troops. And just because they aren't physically cut out for it does not mean they can't use battlesuits to augment themselves.

Auxiliary troops are not frontline troops though (unless were talking about the roman empire). They are support units, managing supplies etc.

[tictactucrac]

Beelzebubs wrote...

They do appear to have troops. And just because they aren't physically cut out for it does not mean they can't use battlesuits to augment themselves.

You have choice : create a battlesuit to augment volus, or create a battlesuit to augment anything other like krogan, asari, human.. What will you do ? The argument of "battlesuit of the death" is not valid at all.

[LeandroBraz]

Beelzebubs wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

Volus have an agreement with the Turians to protect them, since they aren't the military kind. Even their disputes are solved in other ways, rarely with conflict, so yeah, their addition is against the lore..

I can't blame Bioware, since people always ask for Volus when this subject is up (mostly kidding, I believe), so they probably see as something we want. I won't die because of it (or stop playing. I will even play with volus), but if it was my decision, I wouldn't add it, since MP and SP are linked. There's more interesting things to add, that don't look completely out of ME lore.

For people that complain about fans who care about lore, never forget that the main reason people play and love ME is the lore. I love the MP, I hope they do a even better MP on the next game, but the backbone of ME is the lore. If we ignore it, ME will become anything else, but not ME. ME fans will always show passion for the lore.

According to lore, what you said is partially true however read the bolded part:

The volus are not physically cut out for combat, be it a full-scale war
or even a bar room scuffle. As such, they are highly dependent on the
turians for defense, although the volus themselves do provide some
auxiliary troops to the Hierarchy. The volus will support the turians in
any war they might pursue, and the turians will do the same for the
volus.

They do appear to have troops. And just because they aren't physically cut out for it does not mean they can't use battlesuits to augment themselves.

yes, they have, but they avoid war, I really don't see they joining special almost suicidal squads. Anyway, it's done (if this file really mean it exist), let see what BIoware will do. Maybe it will make sense...

[BetrayerOfNihil]

themaltaproject wrote...
Cool story bro, you know facts about a storyline that doesn't really matter. Volus doesn't need to be 100% in lore.

BioWare isn't gonna go "Screw the lore established in ME1! Let's put Volus in ME3 Multiplayer!" because you dolts want things simply in the interest of being funny or ironic. The 'Biotic God' gets his ass whooped by Wasea if you let him go in, that's what the Volus have to offer when on drugs that amplfy Biotic ability. Knock it the **** off.

[tictactucrac]

Beelzebubs wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Okay, now i'm sure that volus kits are a Bioware troll. Just one question : How could they seriously sprint and pass above covers ?


You can answer "krogan already do, so everything is possible". Yes that's almost right. But Krogans legs are at the size of covers. Volus legs are... what, 20, 30cm ?


Volus kits are troll, go out all of you stupid autistics with your "i want a biotic god lolololol".

What would autism have to do with wanting playable Volus, a fun race?

Nothing, just a common french insult.

[Beelzebubs]

tictactucrac wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

They do appear to have troops. And just because they aren't physically cut out for it does not mean they can't use battlesuits to augment themselves.

You have choice : create a battlesuit to augment volus, or create a battlesuit to augment anything other like krogan, asari, human.. What will you do ? The argument of "battlesuit of the death" is not valid at all.

So why do some Krogan/asari/human units wear helmets whilst others don't? I mean they're available and would provide extra armour?

The fact is, Volus already have adapted and tailored mech suits, just to live amongst these races, how hard a stretch is it to have modified ones?

Hell we have Geth units assisting us in battle, why not a Geth AI in these suits constantly helping repair much like the option given to Quarians? There are infinite possibilites as to how you could make Volus feasible yet people seem to feel that the land of science fiction is bound by limited possibilites.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:15 .

[tictactucrac]

[quote]Beelzebubs wrote...

[quote]tictactucrac wrote...


So why do some Krogan/asari/human units wear helmets whilst others don't? The fact is, Volus already have adapted and tailored mech suits

[/quote]

ALL races have that kind of suit in Mass Effect (maybe not vorcha, but they don't need, and elcors/hanaris ; both are as ridiculous as volus in MP). Take a look on all the armors in MP. All are "mech suits" like you say.

[mjb203]

Beelzebubs wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

They do appear to have troops. And just because they aren't physically cut out for it does not mean they can't use battlesuits to augment themselves.

You have choice : create a battlesuit to augment volus, or create a battlesuit to augment anything other like krogan, asari, human.. What will you do ? The argument of "battlesuit of the death" is not valid at all.

So why do some Krogan/asari/human units wear helmets whilst others don't? I mean they're available and would provide extra armour?

The fact is, Volus already have adapted and tailored mech suits, just to live amongst these races, how hard a stretch is it to have modified ones?

This.  Also, let's not forget that this is a war in which all races are fighting for their very exisitence, so I doubt they any of the races would just be sitting on the sidelines (so to speak).

With that said, I do think that 4 volus classes may be a bit excessive though, but I'll wait and see what Bioware plans to do with them.  If nothing else, I just won't use them.  Heck, MP does have a certain disconnect from SP anyway, what with geth on Thessia, Cerberus on Earth, etc., so it's not too big of a deal for me (although I realize it can be for others).

[Beelzebubs]

tictactucrac wrote...
ALL races have that kind of suit in Mass Effect (maybe not vorcha, but they don't need, and elcors/hanaris ; both are as ridiculous as volus in MP). Take a look on all the armors in MP. All are "mech suits" like you say.

Read my edit before you quoted me And yes, you agree with me that mech suits are already available. Suits capable of meleeing and damaging Geth Primes/Atlases so these obviously enhance strength but still offer lots of mobility, why not a Volus suit with larger armour but limited movement?

I mean different armours in game give access to shield bonuses, health bonuses, weapon strength, biotic strength, melee damage etc.

I await your rebuttal.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:30 .

[InvincibleHero]

UpirNoir wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...
Would you guys have this much trouble with Hanar or Elcor? Those are the other two races that haven't been used, so those are the only two options you could prove your point with.

Elcor ? I would love to see them. Walking tanks, give em to me (probably boring to play though)
Hanar ? Would be ok, if they introduce a underwater fighting scenario. But on land....yeah i would have the same problem (remember the conversation with Thane in ME2 about Hanar outside of water ?)

Remember Zaeed saying he had to wear a neck brace for weeks and was almost choked out by a hanar in ME2. I didn't get the impression that was in water. Not as helpless as they look. Why can't they have modified guns and what 6-8 tentacles to fire them? Now that's OP.

[UpirNoir]

InvincibleHero wrote...

UpirNoir wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...
Would you guys have this much trouble with Hanar or Elcor? Those are the other two races that haven't been used, so those are the only two options you could prove your point with.

Elcor ? I would love to see them. Walking tanks, give em to me (probably boring to play though)
Hanar ? Would be ok, if they introduce a underwater fighting scenario. But on land....yeah i would have the same problem (remember the conversation with Thane in ME2 about Hanar outside of water ?)

Remember Zaeed saying he had to wear a neck brace for weeks and was almost choked out by a hanar in ME2. I didn't get the impression that was in water. Not as helpless as they look. Why can't they have modified guns and what 6-8 tentacles to fire them? Now that's OP.

Yes I do remember that. "Never underestimated a Hanar again". But that was a different situation than the kind of missions that get conducted in the mp of ME3.
But a jellyfish with 2 Harriers and 2 Reegars.....omg

[tictactucrac]

Beelzebubs wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...
ALL races have that kind of suit in Mass Effect (maybe not vorcha, but they don't need, and elcors/hanaris ; both are as ridiculous as volus in MP). Take a look on all the armors in MP. All are "mech suits" like you say.

Read my edit before you quoted me And yes, you agree with me that mech suits are already available. Suits capable of meleeing and damaging Geth Primes/Atlases so these obviously enhance strength but still offer lots of mobility, why not a Volus suit with larger armour but limited movement?

I mean different armours in game give access to shield bonuses, health bonuses, weapon strength, biotic strength, melee damage etc.

I await your rebuttal.

Try to give the best battlesuit in the world to a snail or a paraplegic. What will happen ? Nothing.

Volus are extremly weak, they have none strengh, none dexterity, they measure 50cm, they have arms and legs of 30cm, they aren't able to speak and walk correctly.

A battlesuit "enhance". But with Volus, there is NOTHING to enhance.

PS : couple a snail with a paraplegic, you'll probably get something like a volus.

Modifié par tictactucrac, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:36 .

[kil_edward93]

Am I the only one who realizes that their physical size would be a technical nightmare to program without breaking the entire game?
They are a horrible idea.
This joke needs to die.

[Beelzebubs]

tictactucrac wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...
ALL races have that kind of suit in Mass Effect (maybe not vorcha, but they don't need, and elcors/hanaris ; both are as ridiculous as volus in MP). Take a look on all the armors in MP. All are "mech suits" like you say.

Read my edit before you quoted me And yes, you agree with me that mech suits are already available. Suits capable of meleeing and damaging Geth Primes/Atlases so these obviously enhance strength but still offer lots of mobility, why not a Volus suit with larger armour but limited movement?

I mean different armours in game give access to shield bonuses, health bonuses, weapon strength, biotic strength, melee damage etc.

I await your rebuttal.

Try to give the best battlesuit in the world to a snail or a paraplegic. What will happen ? Nothing.

Volus are extremly weak, they have none strengh, none dexterity, they measure 50cm, they have arms and legs of 30cm, they aren't able to speak and walk correctly.

A battlesuit "enhance". But with Volus, there is NOTHING to enhance.

A battlesuit would upgrade their strength and give them better dexterity like aim assist. Arms and leg length don't mean much in a battlesuit although they are still more than capable of holding most guns.  As for giving one to a paraplegic? They're working on that in real life at the moment by giving them thought controlled limbs.

Just because all the Volus you've met are short doesn't mean there aren't taller ones. Average height is around 5'9" worldwide it doesn't mean that there are no physically larger specimens.

What's a Geth without a concensus providing intelligence for it? Just a hunk of metal.

Your points are beginning to get inane and weak. You really don't seem to understand the basis of science fiction and it's limitless possibilities.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:43 .

[Misfiring]

I'm pretty sure Volus has proper military and soldiers. Every race does.

[xsdob]

How the hell did the volus defend themselves before the turians or first contact than?

Did they just never have wars at all? Fighting didn't exsit in vol culture with it's constantly unstable goverments and clans before they discovered the citadel? Did they never have to face anything at all that would have been strainuous physically?

They have a dreadnought as well, but I'm sure only turians serve on that thing as well, like they worked for the volus, even before the contract with the turians.

What's that? Time paradox? Nah, it's cool, cause volus cant fighr ever in any situation or with any equipment, it's an impossibility.

Never mind the codex never says they don;t have their own fighters or mercs, it says it in my head cannon, so it must be true.

Sorry, I just hate how whenever something different happens in the mp people seem to lose their **** and get hyper pissy.

Modifié par xsdob, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:46 .

[tictactucrac]

Just because all the Volus you've met are short doesn't mean there aren't taller ones.

So maybe it does exist some male asari and 10m humans because i never saw one ?

Am I the only one who realizes that their physical size would be a technical nightmare to program without breaking the entire game?
They are a horrible idea.
This joke needs to die.

I did, but no one seem to understand.


"your points are beginning to get inane. you really don't seem to understand the basis of science fiction and it's limitless possibilities."

Limitless possibilities LIMITED to the lore established by the CREATOR. Not by some fan's stupid desires.

[Beelzebubs]

xsdob wrote...

How the hell did the volus defend themselves before the turians or first contact than?

Did they just never have wars at all? Fighting didn't exsit in vol culture with it's constantly unstable goverments and clans before they discovered the citadel? Did they never have to face anything at all that would have been strainuous physically?

They have a dreadnought as well, but I'm sure only turians serve on that thing as well, like they worked for the volus, even before the contract with the turians.

This! They had to evolve as a dominant species and fend off predators. At the moment they'd have to learn to fend for themselves anyway as I imagine most of the Turians went to Palaven to assist.

[kil_edward93]

tictactucrac wrote...

Just because all the Volus you've met are short doesn't mean there aren't taller ones.

So maybe it does exist some male asari and 10m humans because i never saw one ?

Am I the only one who realizes that their physical size would be a technical nightmare to program without breaking the entire game?
They are a horrible idea.
This joke needs to die.

I did, but no one seem to understand.


"your points are beginning to get inane. you really don't seem to understand the basis of science fiction and it's limitless possibilities."

Limitless possibilities LIMITED to the lore established by the CREATOR. Not by some fan's stupid desires.

You're the first person to agree with me.

[tictactucrac]

kil_edward93 wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Just because all the Volus you've met are short doesn't mean there aren't taller ones.

So maybe it does exist some male asari and 10m humans because i never saw one ?

Am I the only one who realizes that their physical size would be a technical nightmare to program without breaking the entire game?
They are a horrible idea.
This joke needs to die.

I did, but no one seem to understand.


"your points are beginning to get inane. you really don't seem to understand the basis of science fiction and it's limitless possibilities."

Limitless possibilities LIMITED to the lore established by the CREATOR. Not by some fan's stupid desires.

You're the first person to agree with me.

Don't be afraid, just because of their size, they will not be implemented. And because of "shield SHHHHHHHH... down" too.

[Uberschveinen]

xsdob wrote...

How the hell did the volus defend themselves before the turians or first contact than?

Did they just never have wars at all? Fighting didn't exsit in vol culture with it's constantly unstable goverments and clans before they discovered the citadel? Did they never have to face anything at all that would have been strainuous physically?

Did you think before you posted?

Volus being crap soldiers is not a disadvantage when the other fighters are, in fact, also Volus.

Volus can fight when they have to. Their big-arse dreadnought proves that. But their overwhelming propensity is to avoid fighting. In the pre-Reaper galaxy, every race that had the infrastructure to mount an invasion was dependant on the galactic economy to do so, and the Volus' intense preference to just financially cripple their enemies so that they can't even sustain a war. Except that Volus Starship Designer and Volus Offensive Economist aren't the classes being proposed.

[Beelzebubs]

tictactucrac wrote...

Just because all the Volus you've met are short doesn't mean there aren't taller ones.

So maybe it does exist some male asari and 10m humans because i never saw one ?

Am I the only one who realizes that their physical size would be a technical nightmare to program without breaking the entire game?
They are a horrible idea.
This joke needs to die.

I did, but no one seem to understand.


"your points are beginning to get inane. you really don't seem to understand the basis of science fiction and it's limitless possibilities."

Limitless possibilities LIMITED to the lore established by the CREATOR. Not by some fan's stupid desires.

So in a universe where it's shown that you can have full AI, Geth mobile platforms built as strong as Primes yet controlled by only a program. Giant Atlas battlesuits, synthetic beings capable of mimicing hair but able to harden into a defensive matrix. A game where you can use synthetics and science to bring Shepard back to life multiple times ALL IN THE LORE That you cannot upgrade a few systems in a Volus' lifesuit?

Also your "So maybe it does exist some male asari and 10m humans because i never saw one ?" is completely laughable as you don't have to go those those extremes but if you do wish to, theres a giant ****ing human Reaper under construction in Mass Effect 2.

Please don't tell me there is no way to justify a couple of upgrades to a Volus lifesuit in Mass Effect lore.

Oh and for the record I agree that Volus would be difficult to add to the game mechanics, I'm just responding to the people who are whining that it wouldn't fit lore.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:55 .

[Frosty10001]

I can't tell which argument is worse... Volus, Raloi, or Protheans in MP...

The data that was mined isn't final until the 9th. Or whenever they decide to start regularly releasing character kits.

[tictactucrac]

"So in a universe where it's shown that you can have full AI, Geth mobile platforms built as strong as Primes yet controlled by only a program. Giant Atlas battlesuits, synthetic beings capable of mimicing hair but able to harden into a defensive matrix. A game where you can use synthetics and science to bring Shepard back to life multiple times ALL IN THE LORE That you cannot upgrade a few systems in a Volus' lifesuit?"

You don't understand. You don't want to understand. The problem isn't the suit. It is the race. Volus don't want to fight (they don't want, they don't want, they don't want, okay ?), AND they can't fight because their own body is to weak (they can't, they can't, they can't, okay ?).

And what you say is wrong. You can't enhance everything. Volus are too weak to be enhanced enough to fight reapers and others. And there is NO interest to enhance Volus when you can enhance all others race.

These ARE the rules of Mass Effect. You want, you don't want, not Bioware's problem.

Anyways, this is a troll, they will not be implemented.

90% of people asking for Volus are trolls too with their "i want a biotic god lol" (remember this volus in ME2 does nothing more than a snail).

You seem to be serious, you're almost alone, and you're STUPID.