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[-Severian-]

tictactucrac wrote...

If people want to have Volus, why should they not have have the ability to play as them because of your coflicting beliefs?

You guy have a problem with me. 50% of the community don't want Volus for the same reasons than mines ! Are you saying they all are lore maniac, selfish, etc ?

Umm... yes? That's exactly what they're saying. If the inclusion of a character you can elect to play or not (optional) means that people who do want to play it should be refused, then it's pretty selfish? Currently, no-one can play the class. When/if they launch, those that want to can and those that don't, won't. Thus, the only objection can be lore, and thus the others fall into the first category?

In short, yes. He, and everyone else, IS saying that you're all selfish lore maniacs. And the above is why. Hope I helped.

[Descy_]

Icinix wrote...

I think the Multiplayer should be distant from the lore anyway.

It really already is in a sense and I think its still too tied to Single player as it is.

I see no issue with this.

Yes its ridiculous - but so are whips, swords, and not being able to grab Pyros and Phantoms from cover.

Just sayin', swords arent ridiculous.

some hooptyblah about being able to bypass barriers because they dont move as fast as a bullet, therfore more effective at close range than a bullet.

[Rudest]

Wow, this is still going? >.>

[khannoir]

tictactucrac wrote...

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

X M3TH0D1C4L X wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Gameplay/fun > lore

Seriously. You people act as if real life history will get altered and change the world as we know it if Volus are added.

This. Some people, especially OP, is taking this way to seriously. Its a game. Get over it.

I think lore > fun. Lore is a great part of fun for me. Problem with that ? I don't care. You're not any kind of god here.

Well, I like Volus in mp, as well as others do. Problem with that? No one else cares either.

I hope Bioware adds Protheans just for you.

Child reaction. Children want Volus in mp. People who loves Mass Effect and its lore don't want Volus in mp. I have no problem with that, you think what you want. But this is a fact : you mostly are children.

And Reported....



I don’t know the ages of the other players but I'm 40 and I want to see Volus
(and Elcor, and yes even Hanar).  If I existed in the ME-MP universe and I
was on a Volus colony and the reapers attacked, and I Saw Volus NOT fighting
for their lives...I'd shoot them myself. The whole idea of ME3 is the fact that
everybody, everywhere, is on the line. No I wouldn’t expect to see  a
token force of Volus able to turn the tide against an entire Reaper invasion,
but I would expect a small percentage of the diabolical mini-vaders to freak
the ***k out and take a couple down with them. Logistically speaking you wouldn’t
see a Volus in a front line combat unit, but I could definitely see a Volus
like Pitne For or Barla Von being involved in a small squad mission.



As far as all the "Lore" arguments go...The only Lore breaking part
of MP is locations of some of the missions combined with some of the
enemies. It would take 20 minutes for anyone at Bioware to write a storyline to
explain almost all of the possible combinations and suddenly it would become
lore. Even the return of the collectors can   be explained by saying
"It was never explicitly said in the game that ALL the collectors were
destroyed."

So in short... Your argument is invalid.

Modifié par khannoir, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:10 .

[tictactucrac]

DayusMakhina wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Those situations are comparable to you?

Stop laughing and explain me why they are not please

Harm to millions people = sad thing
"some nerds unhappy" like you call us are thousands people sadness = sad thing

You honestly can't see the difference in a 'sad thing' that causes pain, death and suffering in the real world to a 'sad thing' that'll make some people a tad annoyed (or upset if you're a little weird)?

Are you serious ? What interest to COMPARE if there isn't any difference ?

Suffering isn't the same, but suffering IS the key to compare 

So yes, again, those situations are, of course, comparable. Both create suffering.

In the situation you used when something is 'comparable' to something else it means that they are similar. Yes, they both make people sad... but the outcomes of both mean that they are not remotely comparable. You cannot compare something that would lead to the death of millions of people to something that would make some players of a video game unhappy.

That said, it appears you are struggling with the use of 'compare' here, which I guess is somewhat understandable considering it doesn't appear that English is your first language so i'll just link you to this:

http://www.thefreedi...ary.com/compare

That's about all I can do.

"Compare[/i] usually takes the preposition to[/i] when it refers to the activity of describing the resemblances between unlike things"


"describing the resemblances between unlike things"

"describing the resemblances between unlike things"

[Dream-Maker]

Zhuinden wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Diana Allers is a journalist, so I don't really see what she would be doing on the battlefield apart from using her battletits as cannon fodder.

How can we say "**** d'abruti arrieré" in english ?

With that sentence, i don't care of what you will say next. You're just an **** with you biotic god desires. Thanks to open my eyes

With that sentence, I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.
:innocent:

He's basically saying "**** idiot retard". This is getting out of hand seriously, I don't believe it's ok to insult someone on these forums even if it's in French.

[Mendelevosa]

tictactucrac wrote...

If people want to have Volus, why should they not have have the ability to play as them because of your coflicting beliefs?

You guy have a problem with me. 50% of the community don't want Volus for the same reasons than mines ! Are you saying they all are lore maniac, selfish, etc ?

First of all, you don't have a reliable source to state that "50% of the community" is against Volus. 

Secondly, in a way, I am saying it is a bit selfish for people to want fun restricted on others. Especially considering that it is not mandatory for anyone to play as a Volus. If you don't like Volus, then don't play as them. And for those that like them, they have the option of playing as them. This is the best way to baance out both sides.

[Ramthaa]

Blasto kit please.

[UpirNoir]

Icinix wrote...

I think the Multiplayer should be distant from the lore anyway.

It really already is in a sense and I think its still too tied to Single player as it is.

I see no issue with this.

Yes its ridiculous - but so are whips, swords, and not being able to grab Pyros and Phantoms from cover.

Fair enough.

I am glad that BioWare tried to tie the multiplayer and singleplayer together (I do not necessarily like the way they achieved it) and tried to have the multiplayer make sense in the bigger picture, instead of just throwing it at us, just for the sake of having a mp, like so many other games do....

[Kalas Magnus]

I could care less. I'll get bored with the dlc eventually. So the more content the better. If you dont like the idea of volus dont use them. Pretend they werent included...

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Zhuinden wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...

Considering it is an add-on that's somewhat viable (unlike Protheans would be that would contradict ALL established lore), I think we should just accept it and play it. It's not like it's out yet, so I don't see what the fuss is all about.

I don't know if I'm being selfish, for I don't just want to play the Volus for myself and whatever. I just disapprove of how you're trying to restrict others from playing merely because of your prejudice against an in-game race.

So, varren are an in-game race. Is it legit if i want them standing into a super battlesuit a fighting in mp operation with some guns ? It is NOT. And people who will say "no we don't want Varrens" are not selfish. They just are logical.

I want a playable Diana Allers in multiplayer.  Also, a playable Sergeant Gardner - the chef/janitor from Mass Effect 2.  If anybody disagrees with this, they're selfish and trying to deprive me of having fun.

Diana Allers is a journalist, so I don't really see what she would be doing on the battlefield apart from using her battletits as cannon fodder. But if it came out, I wouldn't want to restrict people from using it.
Sergeant Gardner on the other hand would be pretty cool. He's fun.

The point is, combat in Mass Effect has always been serious.  BioWare has worked hard to make a respectable combat system.  Fighting in Mass Effect has never involved silliness and whimsical characters.  Sure, the story has soem comedic elements at times, but that doesn't extend to the combat.  This isn't Ratchet and Clank.  Once things like Volus get added, people will start looking at Mass Effect as a joke game.  It will turn people off who don't care to play goofy games.

[tictactucrac]

"First of all, you don't have a reliable source to state that "50% of the community" is against Volus. "

The poll ? It was about 50/50. You're welcome


"Secondly, in a way, I am saying it is a bit selfish for people to want fun restricted on others."


Adding Volus restrict my fun.


"If you don't like Volus, then don't play as them."


And if i don't want to play with ? I'm forced to leave each lobby with volus because of your selfish desire of biotic god ?

Modifié par tictactucrac, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:14 .

[UpirNoir]

Mendelevosa wrote...
First of all, you don't have a reliable source to state that "50% of the community" is against Volus.

There is a poll (however representative that may be). Last time I checked 44% were against it, 56% in favor

[Hoz_Hun]

Wow, this "selfis" question "you want it I don't" and "what about Varen" is unnessesary. BioWare come up the Volus idea and made pictures like this:
So it is not that someone ask the Volus. Since they offer it many of us like the idea. However I understand now the other side too (for example I do not want Prothean in MP I do not see it fit... still I find Volus fun).

Modifié par Hoz_Hun, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Zhuinden]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...
The point is, combat in Mass Effect has always been serious.  BioWare has worked hard to make a respectable combat system.  Fighting in Mass Effect has never involved silliness and whimsical characters.  Sure, the story has soem comedic elements at times, but that doesn't extend to the combat.  This isn't Ratchet and Clank.  Once things like Volus get added, people will start looking at Mass Effect as a joke game.  It will turn people off who don't care to play goofy games.

Just because a game is serious it doesn't mean it cannot have a single tad bit of comedy factor.
Though I do understand that the volus are not exactly a fighting race - hell, they have been the comedic relief throughout the game - I trust Bioware in the sense that if they decided on including them into the MP races, they've figured out something that makes them viable even with that behind their back.
So to be honest, I'll just wait and see how it plays out. I don't see a point in being zealous to hinder the inclusion of confirmed content.

[X M3TH0D1C4L X]

tictactucrac wrote...

"First of all, you don't have a reliable source to state that "50% of the community" is against Volus. "

The poll ? It was about 50/50. You're welcome

And that is just for the people who are on BSN regularly. What about the other thousands of players that aren't? What about the people that didn't bother to vote on it, or see that thread?

Your statistics are invalid.

[Ramthaa]

khannoir wrote...


I don’t know the ages of the other players but I'm 40 and I want to see Volus
(and Elcor, and yes even Hanar).  If I existed in the ME-MP universe and I
was on a Volus colony and the reapers attacked, and I Saw Volus NOT fighting
for their lives...I'd shoot them myself. The whole idea of ME3 is the fact that
everybody, everywhere, is on the line. No I wouldn’t expect to see  a
token force of Volus able to turn the tide against an entire Reaper invasion,
but I would expect a small percentage of the diabolical mini-vaders to freak
the ***k out and take a couple down with them. Logistically speaking you wouldn’t
see a Volus in a front line combat unit, but I could definitely see a Volus
like Pitne For or Barla Von being involved in a small squad mission.



As far as all the "Lore" arguments go...The only Lore breaking part
of MP is locations of some of the missions combined with some of the
enemies. It would take 20 minutes for anyone at Bioware to write a storyline to
explain almost all of the possible combinations and suddenly it would become
lore. Even the return of the collectors can   be explained by saying
"It was never explicitly said in the game that ALL the collectors were
destroyed."

So in short... Your argument is invalid.

This.

[ParaNeuman]

Adding Volus is a bonus, don't like em, don't play em, simple. Surely they have fighting units out there when facing extinction... and even if not, it can fit the lore if they approach a battle in combat mech suits, not in simple civilian pressure suits.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

-Severian- wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

If people want to have Volus, why should they not have have the ability to play as them because of your coflicting beliefs?

You guy have a problem with me. 50% of the community don't want Volus for the same reasons than mines ! Are you saying they all are lore maniac, selfish, etc ?

Umm... yes? That's exactly what they're saying. If the inclusion of a character you can elect to play or not (optional) means that people who do want to play it should be refused, then it's pretty selfish? Currently, no-one can play the class. When/if they launch, those that want to can and those that don't, won't. Thus, the only objection can be lore, and thus the others fall into the first category?

In short, yes. He, and everyone else, IS saying that you're all selfish lore maniacs. And the above is why. Hope I helped.

This couldn't be further from the truth.  This forum exists to discuss the game and to voice opinions about the game.  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing about the inclusion of some element or believing the game would be better off without it.  Nobody is being selfish or trying to deprive anyone of fun.  If you're going to make that argument, then it works both ways - you must be selfish and trying to deprive the people who don't want Volus from having fun.

[Zhuinden]

tictactucrac wrote...
Adding Volus restrict my fun.
And if i don't want to play with ? I'm forced to leave each lobby with volus because of your selfish desire of biotic god ?

Well technically, it does not restrict your fun as you don't have to play with the Volus, and also, yes. If you prefer wandering from lobby to lobby to ensure that there are no Volus in your lobby. Even though you don't even know how they'll contribute to the gameplay.

[AgentStark]

tictactucrac wrote...

Please !

We all (intelligent people) give you money if you don't add them. I hope all the volus leaked in DLC database are not kits. It can't be true. You can't break YOUR lore in this way.

We can discuss about collectors but their arrival can be LOGICAL. And fun to play against. 

Volus ? Is that fun to play that thing ? They are too weak to SPEAK and you want add them to fight reapers like a Krogan ?

This is not a comedy game. This is not angry bird here. Some serious please. I play a sci-fi game.

We all hope the leak is wrong. 

Get the f*** over yourself. If someone wants to play as a money grubbing scumbag, so be it. I personally think it would be interesting to see a volus in battle armor.

[tictactucrac]

"And that is just for the people who are on BSN regularly. What about the other thousands of players that aren't? What about the people that didn't bother to vote on it, or see that thread?

Your statistics are invalid. "

Do not try to learn me maths please. Statistics are what they are, statistics. They are valid. There are +200 that have voted. It's usable and we can easily extrapolate to the entire community.

Maybe it will become 40/60, maybe 50/50, maybe even 30/70. No way to become something like 5/95.

[Aytanay]

Zhuinden wrote...

Aytanay wrote...

I'm not against volus in MP even though it sure looks weird when you think about their lack of fighting prowess.. elcor would be fun simply cause of the back cannons, probably would be something like an even slower destroyer but not so squishy. But honestly I wanted more vorcha.. it would be pretty weird and I think it doesn't make sense but a vorcha vanguard would be cool.. at least I think so.. We found (at least the ones who played leviathan and searched the planets) an engineer-like vorcha team.. why not play with vorcha engineers too? I didn't want more turians(I hate that no dodging stance of his), but the jets look like it will be cool so fine.. I'll try that one when I have the dlc and the IV bonus let me get the character.
I was always for the lore in MP because it's supposed to mean what the other people are doing while shepard does his/her job around the galaxy. Volus could want to join the fight, well I don't think so.. all the ones I ever met since me1 were cowards(except for the biotic god of course) and they use turian military to defend themselves so it would be the same as adding hanar to a non aquatic cenario.. thinking about that.. we should have more drells too..

http://na.llnet.biow...tratorDrell.png

http://na.llnet.biow...ineerVorcha.png


Your wish has been granted.

Oooo awesome!! Are these one of the 16 new classes?
Can't wait for that!!

[Descy_]

Ramthaa wrote...

khannoir wrote...

  If I existed in the ME-MP universe and I
was on a Volus colony and the reapers attacked, and I Saw Volus NOT fighting
for their lives...I'd shoot them myself. 

This.

Isnt there a difference between a Volus fighting to defend their colony in desparation, and a Volus being sent on a special Ops team to complete a task that has nothing to do |Directly| with their homeworld?

[Zhuinden]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

-Severian- wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

If people want to have Volus, why should they not have have the ability to play as them because of your coflicting beliefs?

You guy have a problem with me. 50% of the community don't want Volus for the same reasons than mines ! Are you saying they all are lore maniac, selfish, etc ?

Umm... yes? That's exactly what they're saying. If the inclusion of a character you can elect to play or not (optional) means that people who do want to play it should be refused, then it's pretty selfish? Currently, no-one can play the class. When/if they launch, those that want to can and those that don't, won't. Thus, the only objection can be lore, and thus the others fall into the first category?

In short, yes. He, and everyone else, IS saying that you're all selfish lore maniacs. And the above is why. Hope I helped.

This couldn't be further from the truth.  This forum exists to discuss the game and to voice opinions about the game.  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing about the inclusion of some element or believing the game would be better off without it.  Nobody is being selfish or trying to deprive anyone of fun.  If you're going to make that argument, then it works both ways - you must be selfish and trying to deprive the people who don't want Volus from having fun.

But it is the inclusion of already confirmed content that you are not obligated to use.
However, by not adding it, you would remove the option for people to play as Volus even if they would want to play as Volus.

So to be honest, even though the sides are similar, one does more harm for the other than vice versa.