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[Beelzebubs]

Just ignore tictactucrac I've spents most of pages 12 - 14 providing reasonable, logical and nigh on irrefutable arguements but he can't seem to understand logic.

[Icinix]

UpirNoir wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I think the Multiplayer should be distant from the lore anyway.

It really already is in a sense and I think its still too tied to Single player as it is.

I see no issue with this.

Yes its ridiculous - but so are whips, swords, and not being able to grab Pyros and Phantoms from cover.

Fair enough.

I am glad that BioWare tried to tie the multiplayer and singleplayer together (I do not necessarily like the way they achieved it) and tried to have the multiplayer make sense in the bigger picture, instead of just throwing it at us, just for the sake of having a mp, like so many other games do....

Yeah - and I mean - they should definitely be applauded for trying - but it felt very last minute tied in. Hackets briefings and their implementation just were all....yeah they were a round peg in a square hole.

I would like to see multiplayer open up in such a way that 'fantasy' environments are allowed - fight against N7 forces, Krogan and Turians etc.  I kind of feel that this attempt to stretch the lore and connection to single player as much as possible is only holding the multiplayer back while simultaneously making it look further and further out of place with the SP. Snap those connections and go nuts I say.

[AgentStark]

Ok, I will admit that Vorcha engineers make no sense whatsoever.

[Rifneno]

Icinix wrote...

I would like to see multiplayer open up in such a way that 'fantasy' environments are allowed - fight against N7 forces, Krogan and Turians etc.  I kind of feel that this attempt to stretch the lore and connection to single player as much as possible is only holding the multiplayer back while simultaneously making it look further and further out of place with the SP. Snap those connections and go nuts I say.

Sounds good.  If they include volus, I want to be able to play as reapers against organics.  Because now I see why the reapers want to wipe out organic life.

[khannoir]

Dream-Maker wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Before Shepard manages to turn all the geth to his side

And maybe mp battles happen after that, simply ?

Then how do you explain there still are geth to fight against ?

The Geth we fight in MP are Geth frames controlled by Reaper code, not actual geth sentients. Dont ask me to find the exact line in the scripts but it is mentioned in one of the post Rannoch briefings.

[Catastrophy]

tictactucrac wrote...
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Adding Volus restrict my fun.
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Come on, you're overdoing it right here. This is getting out of line - you could just take it easy.

[tictactucrac]

"But it is the inclusion of already confirmed content that you are not obligated to use.
However, by not adding it, you would remove the option for people to play as Volus even if they would want to play as Volus.

So to be honest, even though the sides are similar, one does more harm for the other than vice versa."

You can't say that. At any moment of the life, if i want something and dont get it, people who don't give me what i want are selfish and harm me ? Be serious please.

[KiraTsukasa]

I really hope this volus thing is a really bad joke. You NEVER see a volus holding a gun or using powers EVER in the game. Unless this is going to be a necromancer type character (PLEASE GOD NO) that just commands his henchmen to do his fighting for him, it'll just be ridiculously stupid. And not in a good way

[Rifneno]

khannoir wrote...

Dream-Maker wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Before Shepard manages to turn all the geth to his side

And maybe mp battles happen after that, simply ?

Then how do you explain there still are geth to fight against ?

The Geth we fight in MP are Geth frames controlled by Reaper code, not actual geth sentients. Dont ask me to find the exact line in the scripts but it is mentioned in one of the post Rannoch briefings.

" We have isolated pockets of remaining geth. As best we can tell, they are geth bodies loaded with Reaper code." - Councilor Tevos

[ElectroNeonPanda]

Beelzebubs wrote...

Just ignore tictactucrac I've spents most of pages 12 - 14 providing reasonable, logical and nigh on irrefutable arguements but he can't seem to understand logic.

He's French. 

[BlackDahlia424]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

-Severian- wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

If people want to have Volus, why should they not have have the ability to play as them because of your coflicting beliefs?

You guy have a problem with me. 50% of the community don't want Volus for the same reasons than mines ! Are you saying they all are lore maniac, selfish, etc ?

Umm... yes? That's exactly what they're saying. If the inclusion of a character you can elect to play or not (optional) means that people who do want to play it should be refused, then it's pretty selfish? Currently, no-one can play the class. When/if they launch, those that want to can and those that don't, won't. Thus, the only objection can be lore, and thus the others fall into the first category?

In short, yes. He, and everyone else, IS saying that you're all selfish lore maniacs. And the above is why. Hope I helped.

This couldn't be further from the truth.  This forum exists to discuss the game and to voice opinions about the game.  There is nothing wrong with disagreeing about the inclusion of some element or believing the game would be better off without it.  Nobody is being selfish or trying to deprive anyone of fun.  If you're going to make that argument, then it works both ways - you must be selfish and trying to deprive the people who don't want Volus from having fun.

How does their existance take away from your fun? It really is as simple as not playing them if you don't want to. Nobody in favor of the Volus is forcing you to play as them while you're trying to force us to not have them. That's the difference here. 

[ParaNeuman]

I say more volus, elcor and Hanar, less asari. That would make the OP happy

[Zhuinden]

~disregard~

Modifié par Zhuinden, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:27 .

[Zhuinden]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...
How does their existance take away from your fun? It really is as simple as not playing them if you don't want to. Nobody in favor of the Volus is forcing you to play as them while you're trying to force us to not have them. That's the difference here.

[Icinix]

Rifneno wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I would like to see multiplayer open up in such a way that 'fantasy' environments are allowed - fight against N7 forces, Krogan and Turians etc.  I kind of feel that this attempt to stretch the lore and connection to single player as much as possible is only holding the multiplayer back while simultaneously making it look further and further out of place with the SP. Snap those connections and go nuts I say.

Sounds good.  If they include volus, I want to be able to play as reapers against organics.  Because now I see why the reapers want to wipe out organic life.

Yes! And make it an option against the four person MP squad.

You could also have an additional overlord player that doesn't have an avatar in the world - but chooses where the enemy waves spawn and which type of wave to use.

There really is a lot of potential to expand the capabilities of the Mass Effect multiplayer environment in interesting ways. Volus may be a great novelty but there is so many ways they could make the MP a very unique experience.

[DayusMakhina]

tictactucrac wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Those situations are comparable to you?

Stop laughing and explain me why they are not please

Harm to millions people = sad thing
"some nerds unhappy" like you call us are thousands people sadness = sad thing

You honestly can't see the difference in a 'sad thing' that causes pain, death and suffering in the real world to a 'sad thing' that'll make some people a tad annoyed (or upset if you're a little weird)?

Are you serious ? What interest to COMPARE if there isn't any difference ?

Suffering isn't the same, but suffering IS the key to compare 

So yes, again, those situations are, of course, comparable. Both create suffering.

In the situation you used when something is 'comparable' to something else it means that they are similar. Yes, they both make people sad... but the outcomes of both mean that they are not remotely comparable. You cannot compare something that would lead to the death of millions of people to something that would make some players of a video game unhappy.

That said, it appears you are struggling with the use of 'compare' here, which I guess is somewhat understandable considering it doesn't appear that English is your first language so i'll just link you to this:

http://www.thefreedi...ary.com/compare

That's about all I can do.

"Compare[/i] usually takes the preposition to[/i] when it refers to the activity of describing the resemblances between unlike things"


"describing the resemblances between unlike things"

"describing the resemblances between unlike things"

What you just quoted merely confirms what i've just said to you. If you can't comprehend that then I guess we're done here.

[tictactucrac]

Zhuinden wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

"But it is the inclusion of already confirmed content that you are not obligated to use.
However, by not adding it, you would remove the option for people to play as Volus even if they would want to play as Volus.

So to be honest, even though the sides are similar, one does more harm for the other than vice versa."

You can't say that. At any moment of the life, if i want something and dont get it, people who don't give me what i want are selfish and harm me ? Be serious please.

Okay, simplified:
Other people want to buy hamburgers, you dislike hamburgers.
So would you stand in front of the store and tell them they cannot buy hamburgers, merely because you disapprove of it?

And would you honestly expect those people to not buy the hamburger even though they are starving? 

If the store sayed during 3 years "we don't send hamburgers" yes, i would stand in front of it, like a lot of people.

[UpirNoir]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

How does their existance take away from your fun? It really is as simple as not playing them if you don't want to. Nobody in favor of the Volus is forcing you to play as them while you're trying to force us to not have them. That's the difference here. 

It is been stated multiple times. I myself can choose not to play Volus, yes. But I cannot control what my squadmates play. And seeing Volus in my squad would really distract me and influence my gaming experience. There you have it (again)

[LordDeathkeeper]

tictactucrac wrote...


Adding Volus restrict my fun.

 I'm forced to leave each lobby with volus because of your selfish desire of biotic god ?

So let me get this straight. It's selfish for them to want to play as a character that you don't like, but it's NOT selfish for a company to not include them for anyone because it restricts YOUR fun? I'm sorry, but for all intents and purposes this is the exact same thing. You can't argue that they should not be included because YOU prefer lore over gameplay when a large portion of the forum (by your statistics, roughly half) prefer gameplay over lore. If either way one half will be irritated, it's a toss-up.

[Zhuinden]

UpirNoir wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

How does their existance take away from your fun? It really is as simple as not playing them if you don't want to. Nobody in favor of the Volus is forcing you to play as them while you're trying to force us to not have them. That's the difference here. 

It is been stated multiple times. I myself can choose not to play Volus, yes. But I cannot control what my squadmates play. And seeing Volus in my squad would really distract me and influence my gaming experience. There you have it (again)

Well you should stop staring at the Volus booty and pay more attention to the Banshee that's about to impale you even though magnet hands were fixed.

[tictactucrac]

"You can't argue that they should not be included because YOU prefer lore over gameplay when a large portion of the forum (by your statistics, roughly half) prefer gameplay over lore."

"YOU" = 50% of mass effect fans.

[Rifneno]

UpirNoir wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

How does their existance take away from your fun? It really is as simple as not playing them if you don't want to. Nobody in favor of the Volus is forcing you to play as them while you're trying to force us to not have them. That's the difference here. 

It is been stated multiple times. I myself can choose not to play Volus, yes. But I cannot control what my squadmates play. And seeing Volus in my squad would really distract me and influence my gaming experience. There you have it (again)

This.  Except I wouldn't have bothered trying to explain things to a sicko who'd name themselves after a gruesome murder.

[AgentStark]

tictac, you're having a temper tantrum and acting like a five year old. Get over yourself.

EDIT: Actually, no. Half of you are overreacting. Get over it. I swear, its like Im talking to children.

Modifié par AgentStark, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:32 .

[tictactucrac]

Zhuinden wrote...

UpirNoir wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

How does their existance take away from your fun? It really is as simple as not playing them if you don't want to. Nobody in favor of the Volus is forcing you to play as them while you're trying to force us to not have them. That's the difference here. 

It is been stated multiple times. I myself can choose not to play Volus, yes. But I cannot control what my squadmates play. And seeing Volus in my squad would really distract me and influence my gaming experience. There you have it (again)

Well you should stop staring at the Volus booty and pay more attention to the Banshee that's about to impale you even though magnet hands were fixed.

Well you should stop staring at the Volus NOT being here and pay more attention te the Banshees that's about to impale you even tough magnet hands were fixed ? Nope, why not like this ? 

[Zhuinden]

What are you even saying I don't understand

You know what, I'll just go play like we all should.