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[tictactucrac]

Zhuinden wrote...


You're not the only foreigner around here, yet I don't think you can tell that my primary language is not English
But does it really matter? That's just an excuse, and all our arguments are invalid. None of this makes sense.
We should just accept the Volus and play.

You say our arguments are invalid.

We say your arguments are invalid, we explain why.

Us > You, in this situation. And especially you zhuinden, you never argument anything.

And glad to see you're better than me in english. English can understand me, in general, so i guess it's a kind of success.

[UpirNoir]

Beelzebubs wrote...
Well at this point both sides have made valid points, irrelevant points and some downright stupid ones. It's up to Bioware to clarify.

I'm obviously biased as I believe my points to be correct, and nobody has really been able to do a convincing job of disproving anything I've said but the same can be side foe both sides.

Just one quick remark towards your battlesuit argumentation:
Yes that might work technically. But the point is, the Volus have been established as a non violent non fighting society, so these battle mech suits would come out of nowhere.

And if they exist, why not put Turians or Krogan in them

But that put aside: You are correct. In the end it is BioWare's decision and all of us have to deal with whatever that decision might or might not be. I just wanted to make my case, for why I personally hate the idea

Modifié par UpirNoir, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .

[tictactucrac]

Beelzebubs wrote...


Well at this point both sides have made valid points, irrelevant points and some downright stupid ones. It's up to Bioware to clarify.

You're becoming wise 

I'm obviously biased as I believe my points to be correct, and nobody has really been able to do a convincing job of disproving anything I've said

Try to accept it can be the same thing on the other side. I haven't been convinced.

Modifié par tictactucrac, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .

[adamjmorgan]

Also, I urge all of you to go re-watch the trailer.



It's badass.

That is all.

Modifié par adamjmorgan, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:52 .

[LordDeathkeeper]

tictactucrac wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...


You're not the only foreigner around here, yet I don't think you can tell that my primary language is not English
But does it really matter? That's just an excuse, and all our arguments are invalid. None of this makes sense.
We should just accept the Volus and play.

You say our arguments are invalid.

We say your arguments are invalid, we explain why.

Us > You, in this situation. And especially you zhuinden, you never argument anything.

And glad to see you're better than me in english. English can understand me, in general, so i guess it's a kind of success.

Actually, they explained why in a much more understandable way than you. You being you, not your side which is fine, the rest of us can argue in a coherent manner. And as I said before 50%, that number you keep proclaiming, means both sides are equal. It's literally impossible for either side to "win" this. 

Modifié par LordDeathkeeper, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:55 .

[Beelzebubs]

adamjmorgan wrote...

I wake up to find that there are now pictures reinforcing this comical nonsense? If only it were closer to April 1st I could find a plausible explanation that doesn't poke me in the eye with a stick every time I look at it.

/sigh

Beelzebubs: Your points on pages 12-14 are rational and reasonable. But I think the problem with a lot of the "Mech Suit" solutions are simply that a: they don't appear to be implemented as such based on the pictures; and b: any tech that would let them do this would be SO MUCH better served being used on say, the turians for their own (the Volus') defense.

Again, if Bioware wants to make it otherwise, that's their perogative. Just like it's mine to not like it.

Oh I agree that this kind of armour on a large scale for other races would win the ground war but then it comes down to personal preference I'm assuming. Maybe they don't want bulky armor to slow them down, a lot of toons don't wear full armour such as helmets.

I envision Volus units as beaing heavily armoured, slow and tank like. Kind of like a Krogan but less mobile. Hell they could even have armour instead of health bars but that's just how I'd do it.

The reason I'm making arguements about Volus being in MP whether I like it or not is because some people are so bent up on their own take on lore they cannot understand that in a world as vast and expansive as ME3's, that there is no possible way for a Volus to be a soldier.

[Drakios8]

AgentStark wrote...

Ok, I will admit that Vorcha engineers make no sense whatsoever.

It does, it's mentioned in ME2 codex (I think) that Vorcha learn quickly, it's just because they die so fast no one would invest in training them

[BYC]

I would want them in. Ultimately, the multiplayer is going to get old and stale. By adding new races and classes, it would freshen things up.

[tictactucrac]

And as I said before 50%, that number you keep proclaiming, means both sides are equal. It's literally impossible for either side to "win" this.

I didn't want to make one side succeeding with that number, just showing that about (about = environ, no?) half of the community thinks differently.

[Ypiret]

LordDeathkeeper wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Zhuinden wrote...


You're not the only foreigner around here, yet I don't think you can tell that my primary language is not English
But does it really matter? That's just an excuse, and all our arguments are invalid. None of this makes sense.
We should just accept the Volus and play.

You say our arguments are invalid.

We say your arguments are invalid, we explain why.

Us > You, in this situation. And especially you zhuinden, you never argument anything.

And glad to see you're better than me in english. English can understand me, in general, so i guess it's a kind of success.

Actually, they explained why in a much more understandable way than you. You being you, not your side, the rest of us can argue in a coherent manner. And as I said before 50%, that number you keep proclaiming, means both sides are equal. It's literally impossible for either side to "win" this. 

It's not even 50% of the fanbase; just 50% of the around 200 people that voted in the poll that guy made. It's a ****** poor representation of how all the people who actually play the game would react to this.

I'm sure most people wouldn't give a ****. It's only the unreasonable and obsessive people whom would be so much against it; like the people that are still crying about the ending after like, half a year.

Modifié par Ypiret, 05 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .

[adamjmorgan]

Beelzebubs wrote...

The reason I'm making arguements about Volus being in MP whether I like it or not is because some people are so bent up on their own take on lore they cannot understand that in a world as vast and expansive as ME3's, that there is no possible way for a Volus to be a soldier.

Quite.  I think most of us non-volus folks are just looking for an in-universe explanation.  We (at least I) *want* to believe (or I guess disbelieve as it were) but given what we know, it's a bit of a strech for some people.

In the end, it's not up to us to design the game or make story decisions or determine what's canon in the "official" universe.  That's always going to be a sticking point for some folks.  I just hope that regardless of what happens and what's implemented, people can still enjoy the game that I love, because I don't want MP to die an untimely death just because of some poorly implemented ideas that break immersion for a large chunk of the population.

Seriously though, imagine both Volus and Protheans (which I hate to admit I can find more plausible than Volus based on their society being warlike and established fighters - all that's required is to find a functioning bunker, easily written) being implemented in MP.  That's a lot of butthurt fans right there, and could spell a shorter lifespan for the game unless implemented perfectly.  That's unfortunate.

Edit: spelling is hard before coffee

Modifié par adamjmorgan, 05 octobre 2012 - 03:01 .

[synapsefire]

Mass Effect has never been an immersive gaming experience on the scale of open world games like Skyrim. It's a boxed in narrative experience with deep lore.

The multiplayer portion however is pure bred action gameplay married with grinding mechanics and deep class customisation.

If the existence of Volus threatens to break your immersion or experience of the multiplayer then I suggest you get some fresh air.

[ElectroNeonPanda]

 As it's being referenced a great deal here's the link to the poll:

I'm unsure what the continued posting by the OP and others on here is meant to achieve regardless which side of the argument you're on.

social.bioware.com/5833/polls/40069/

State your point like an adult and move on but don't believe for one moment you're going to change people's opinions on an internet forum, it simply doesn't happen.

If the devs have expended the time on Volus they're not going to suddenly pull them from the DLC after putting the work in and announcing 16 kits.  Equally, if they haven't created anything for them then this depressing wall of bickering isn't achieving anything.

My personal opinion is variety in a game usually has a positive effect.  Eventually the same races, regardless of kits, will become stale and people will move on.  If adding a few new races retains people longer, at the risk of putting a few people's noses out of joint then fair enough.  The mere fact people are arguing vehemently against Volus indicates they take the game way too seriously in the first place and are unlikely to quit even if BW clad everyone in pink tutus and put ribbons in their hair. 

[Beelzebubs]

adamjmorgan wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

The reason I'm making arguements about Volus being in MP whether I like it or not is because some people are so bent up on their own take on lore they cannot understand that in a world as vast and expansive as ME3's, that there is no possible way for a Volus to be a soldier.

Quite.  I think most of us non-volus folks are just looking for an in-universe explanation.  We (at least I) *want* to believe (or I guess disbelieve as it were) but given what we know, it's a bit of a strech for some people.

In the end, it's not up to us to design the game or make story decisions or determine what's canon in the "official" universe.  That's always going to be a sticking point for some folks.  I just hope that regardless of what happens and what's implemented, people can still enjoy the game that I love, because I don't want MP to die an untimely death just because of some poorly implemented ideas that break immersion for a large chunk of the population.

Seriously though, imagine both Volus and Protheans (which I hate to admit I can find more plausible than Volus based on their society being warlike and established fighters - all that's required is to find a functioning bunker, easily written) being implemented in MP.  That's a lot of butthurt fans right there, and could spell a shorter lifespan for the game unless implemented perfectly.  That's unfortunate.

Edit: spelling is hard before coffee

I've tried adding some brief in universe explanations but in the end it's up to Bioware to use these facts from lore and weave it into their own narrative. The technology and rationale is there.

I firmly believe that before we get Volus in MP we should at least have some single player DLC featuring some badass Volus, to help with believability. I'd accept them now based on what i know of the in game universe but I feel it's neccessary to add the SP DLC to show others the potential.

Besides, everyone loves an underdog story, it's the very foundation of the game

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 03:07 .

[adamjmorgan]

ElectroNeonPanda wrote...unlikely to quit even if BW clad everyone in pink tutus and put ribbons in their hair. 

OFFICIAL PETITION: BW PLZ ALLOW KUSTUM TUTU BALURENA OPSHUNS

/signed HappyPinKrogan

[ElectroNeonPanda]

adamjmorgan wrote...

ElectroNeonPanda wrote...unlikely to quit even if BW clad everyone in pink tutus and put ribbons in their hair. 

OFFICIAL PETITION: BW PLZ ALLOW KUSTUM TUTU BALURENA OPSHUNS

/signed HappyPinKrogan

You know you want it!

[BlackDahlia424]

Rifneno wrote...

UpirNoir wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

How does their existance take away from your fun? It really is as simple as not playing them if you don't want to. Nobody in favor of the Volus is forcing you to play as them while you're trying to force us to not have them. That's the difference here. 

It is been stated multiple times. I myself can choose not to play Volus, yes. But I cannot control what my squadmates play. And seeing Volus in my squad would really distract me and influence my gaming experience. There you have it (again)

This.  Except I wouldn't have bothered trying to explain things to a sicko who'd name themselves after a gruesome murder.

Other people having fun with it would ruins yours? Sorry, you just sound like a tantrum child with that.

And naming my XBox gamer tag after a band I liked back in high school has no bearing on whether or not I'm a "sicko." Seriously, who the hell are you to judge me? All you do on here is whine like a baby about absolutely everything; the Typhoon nerf, Volus, etc. If you hate the game so much, and what Bioware has in mind with it - then why are you even still here?

[Rifneno]

Din Korlack: We are tribal by nature, but our ways are not violent. We barter and trade our lands and tribe members in order to increase status.
Din Korlack: Larger tribes often engulf smaller ones and eventually split again. Our society is very malleable, and our government is always shifting and changing.
Din Korlack: Since we're not physically adept, we trade our services for protection.

Avina: The Council races have extensive responsibilities. They must provide personnel and ships for the Citadel fleets. They often provide economic aid in times of disaster.
Avina: It would be unfair to demand such an enormous burden of a species unable to meet these obligations. The embassies allow lesser species to have a voice on the Citadel.

[AgentStark]

Drakios8 wrote...

AgentStark wrote...

Ok, I will admit that Vorcha engineers make no sense whatsoever.

It does, it's mentioned in ME2 codex (I think) that Vorcha learn quickly, it's just because they die so fast no one would invest in training them

I thought they had limited intelligence but superior physiology.

[Rifneno]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Other people having fun with it would ruins yours? Sorry, you just sound like a tantrum child with that.

And naming my XBox gamer tag after a band I liked back in high school has no bearing on whether or not I'm a "sicko." Seriously, who the hell are you to judge me? All you do on here is whine like a baby about absolutely everything; the Typhoon nerf, Volus, etc. If you hate the game so much, and what Bioware has in mind with it - then why are you even still here?

Did I offend the sicko?  Let me go find someone who named themselves after Jeffrey Dahlmer to translate.

[Quarian_Lover]

Is MP, not story mode. You can't take all in your life so serious. And... gosh... this is just a game. Seriously.

[BlackDahlia424]

Rifneno wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Other people having fun with it would ruins yours? Sorry, you just sound like a tantrum child with that.

And naming my XBox gamer tag after a band I liked back in high school has no bearing on whether or not I'm a "sicko." Seriously, who the hell are you to judge me? All you do on here is whine like a baby about absolutely everything; the Typhoon nerf, Volus, etc. If you hate the game so much, and what Bioware has in mind with it - then why are you even still here?

Did I offend the sicko?  Let me go find someone who named themselves after Jeffrey Dahlmer to translate.

The Black Dahlia Murder is a band. One that I used to like. I don't feel like paying money to change it at this point. And if you think I'm, or anyone else is a sicko based on the music they enjoy, then you need to take yourself off that pedastal you put yourself on. Because one thing is for sure, you have a very high opinion of yourself.

[Rifneno]

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

The Black Dahlia Murder is a band. One that I used to like. I don't feel like paying money to change it at this point. And if you think I'm, or anyone else is a sicko based on the music they enjoy, then you need to take yourself off that pedastal you put yourself on. Because one thing is for sure, you have a very high opinion of yourself.

Nonsense.  I just have an extremely low opinion of you.

[Beelzebubs]

Rifneno wrote...

Din Korlack: We are tribal by nature, but our ways are not violent. We barter and trade our lands and tribe members in order to increase status.
Din Korlack: Larger tribes often engulf smaller ones and eventually split again. Our society is very malleable, and our government is always shifting and changing.
Din Korlack: Since we're not physically adept, we trade our services for protection.

Avina: The Council races have extensive responsibilities. They must provide personnel and ships for the Citadel fleets. They often provide economic aid in times of disaster.
Avina: It would be unfair to demand such an enormous burden of a species unable to meet these obligations. The embassies allow lesser species to have a voice on the Citadel.

Mass Effect 1+2: All Protheans are dead, Salarians will never cure the genophage, Geth are enemies (ME1) etc.

Things in the game universe change, why can't people accept that there is a possibility of using Volus, a race who at this point, need to fight to survive.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 05 octobre 2012 - 03:12 .

[ElectroNeonPanda]

Rifneno wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

Other people having fun with it would ruins yours? Sorry, you just sound like a tantrum child with that.

And naming my XBox gamer tag after a band I liked back in high school has no bearing on whether or not I'm a "sicko." Seriously, who the hell are you to judge me? All you do on here is whine like a baby about absolutely everything; the Typhoon nerf, Volus, etc. If you hate the game so much, and what Bioware has in mind with it - then why are you even still here?

Did I offend the sicko?  Let me go find someone who named themselves after Jeffrey Dahlmer to translate.

He already explained his profile name was based on a band and not the murder (regardless of whether that was the band's inspiration).  As I can't report you for awful reading comprehension I've just gone ahead and reported you for trolling.