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[Mendelevosa]

It's funny, because you think these lore-junkies would remember that Volus are manufactures of Elkoss Combine armor and weapons. That brand can be found on tons of soldiers. So who's to say that the Volus didn't create armor and weapons specifically for their own species?

[Spinotech]

Unless the Volus have mech suits I disapprove of Volus being added to MP.

[Immortal Strife]

You should never kick a gift horse in the mouth....

[Lucius Aelius]

Lucius Aelius wrote...

I get the distinct impression that the Volus Adept and Vanguard are indeed an inside joke (and well played indeed). That being said, a Soldier and Sentinel unit wherin Volus pilots operate mini Atlas Mechs (or thereabouts) is entirely as practical as anything else in this game, would in no way violate Lore and is all-around awesome (if I'm right, time will tell...)

[Core_Commander]

Mendelevosa wrote...

It's funny, because you think these lore-junkies would remember that Volus are manufactures of Elkoss Combine armor and weapons. That brand can be found on tons of soldiers. So who's to say that the Volus didn't create armor and weapons specifically for their own species?

Because the same lore junkies would remember that volus' incapability for combat is why they're a client race for the turians.

Same as with drell and hanar. They suck at it, so have others do it for them.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 05 octobre 2012 - 06:47 .

[Descy_]

Immortal Strife wrote...

You should never kick a gift horse in the mouth....

Is that a saying?


Anyway, people arent complaining about free DLC. I know we are ALL grateful to Bioware for giving us so much free content. They're complaining because...well, take a scan through the thread.

[adamjmorgan]

Lucius Aelius wrote...

Lucius Aelius wrote...

I get the distinct impression that the Volus Adept and Vanguard are indeed an inside joke (and well played indeed). That being said, a Soldier and Sentinel unit wherin Volus pilots operate mini Atlas Mechs (or thereabouts) is entirely as practical as anything else in this game, would in no way violate Lore and is all-around awesome (if I'm right, time will tell...)

Quoted because this guy has been dilligently trying to make his point for pages now.

[Grunt_Platform]

I don't think I can read all 32 pages of back and forth, so I apologize if I'm retreading old arguments:

I love the volus in Mass Effect, but I have concerns about seeing them as a playable race. They're savvy negotiators and businessmen. They're confined to pressure suits that reduce them to waddling everywhere.

I'm not dead set against it, but I'm worried that Volus in multiplayer could ruin what they are. Making them more "badass" in order to make them playable characters would lose something about them, it would take away some of what makes them unique.

That said, I could see lore reasons for volus to have fighters capable of operating alongside turians. They've been working on this since humans were in the stone age, and the one reason they're not admitted to the council is a lack of a military. They've clearly developed bombers, and maybe their numbers are low, but I could believe that they've developed armored suits that would reduce the risk of depressurization in combat (additional layers of armor perhaps?...)

So.. my acceptance of volus as a playable race depends a lot on how it's handled. I just don't want to see them turned into something they're not.

Modifié par EvanKester, 05 octobre 2012 - 07:06 .

[Gerbil Fetus]

Volus in Alliance coloured Atlas Mechs!
I. would. play. that. So. Much.

Understand the hard time people have accepting Volus, but not sure why they are being so venomous about it?
Just chill out.
If they are a released class, I'm curious to see how they overcome their slow movements, both in game and animation-wise. I imagine having a downed teammember on the other side of a map will have to reachable somehow by the litte dudes.

Also they are smaller targets, so there is also that (good think there's no PVP then)

[Lord Rosario]

EvanKester wrote...

I don't think I can read all 32 pages of back and forth, so I apologize if I'm retreading old arguments:

I love the volus in Mass Effect, but I have concerns about seeing them as a playable race. They're savvy negotiators and businessmen. They're confined to pressure suits that reduce them to waddling everywhere.

I'm not dead set against it, but I'm worried that Volus in multiplayer could ruin what they are. Making them more "badass" in order to make them playable characters would lose something about them, it would take away some of what makes them unique.

That said, I could see lore reasons for volus to have fighters capable of operating alongside turians. They've been working on this since humans were in the stone age, and the one reason they're not admitted to the council is a lack of a military. They've clearly developed bombers, and maybe their numbers are low, but I could believe that they've developed armored suits that would reduce the risk of depressurization in combat (additional layers of armor perhaps?...)

So.. my acceptance of volus as a playable race depends a lot on how it's handled. I just don't want to see them turned into something they're not.

Bolded is the best arguement I've seen for being against Volus thus far. It's not really to preserve lore, it's to preserve how they are portrayed.

Underlined is something that has been brought up, but I don't think my counter arguement has been brought up to it. Volus are smart. They already have plenty of influence at the Citadel. They do not need a seat on the council and I would not put it past the Volus to say that they are pacifists just so they don't have to fight, not because they can't.

[Gerbil Fetus]

Well, there are Cerberus Turncoat classes, and we don't know how many of them there are, and the enemy Geth are somhow holdovers from the SP solution on Rannoch. We don't know how many of these there really are, and obviously it's all proportionate to the players, so the sheer numbers of potential Volus could be representative if that "small" military they canonically have?

Same deal with how there are so many darn ArdotYakshee banshees, despite it originally being presented as a minimal thing....I mean surely their supplies for their troops would run out right?( this could be said for all classes and enemy variants in he game actually)

[daigakuinsei]

Gerbil Fetus wrote...

Volus in Alliance coloured Atlas Mechs!
I. would. play. that. So. Much.

Understand the hard time people have accepting Volus, but not sure why they are being so venomous about it?
Just chill out.
If they are a released class, I'm curious to see how they overcome their slow movements, both in game and animation-wise. I imagine having a downed teammember on the other side of a map will have to reachable somehow by the litte dudes.

Also they are smaller targets, so there is also that (good think there's no PVP then)

One word: Jetpacks.

[uzivatel]

Immortal Strife wrote...

31 pages about not wanting FREE DLC, this community is pathetically spoiled.

The game was NOT FREE and there is virtually no way to play the MP without all the "free" DLCs.
BioWare is changing the game people bought in a way some of their customers do not approve. As long as it stays civilized (and preferably at least somewhat constructive), I dont see any reason people should not voice their concerns and issues on the official forums.

I am going to wait until the DLC is out, but I would find it disappointing, if the DLC really contained four Volus classes and not a single Salarian.

Modifié par uzivatel, 05 octobre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Grunt_Platform]

Lord Rosario wrote...

EvanKester wrote...
[...]

I'm not dead set against it, but I'm worried that Volus in multiplayer could ruin what they are. Making them more "badass" in order to make them playable characters would lose something about them, it would take away some of what makes them unique.

[...] the one reason they're not admitted to the council is a lack of a military. They've clearly developed bombers, and maybe their numbers are low, but I could believe that they've developed armored suits that would reduce the risk of depressurization in combat (additional layers of armor perhaps?...)

So.. my acceptance of volus as a playable race depends a lot on how it's handled. I just don't want to see them turned into something they're not.

Bolded is the best arguement I've seen for being against Volus thus far. It's not really to preserve lore, it's to preserve how they are portrayed.

Underlined is something that has been brought up, but I don't think my counter arguement has been brought up to it. Volus are smart. They already have plenty of influence at the Citadel. They do not need a seat on the council and I would not put it past the Volus to say that they are pacifists just so they don't have to fight, not because they can't. 

Based on what we've seen in Mass Effect 2, I doubt the volus are strictly pacifists. But they are clearly physically and psychologically ill suited to violence.

It's plain in the trilogy that the volus resent not being given a seat on the council. While they're clearly interested in earning that seat doing the things they're naturally good at, I could see the argument for them trying to figure out ways around the ground-combat problem. I can also see how such a project couldn't turn out enough personnel to change their position in the big picture.

You can train to compensate for awkward mobility, and a lack of violent instincts.. but the methane-based high pressure biology is inescapable (on Illium you do hear ads about treatments but it's plainly a scam). Any solution to that would need to be technological.

[Schneidend]

Volus aren't any more of a liability due to their physiology than a quarian. The volus could easily utilize emergency suit repair functions, heavy armor, and high shielding to make up for their vulnerability.

Just, y'know, don't expect the volus classes to be melee powerhouses.

[Descy_]

Schneidend wrote...

Volus aren't any more of a liability due to their physiology than a quarian. The volus could easily utilize emergency suit repair functions, heavy armor, and high shielding to make up for their vulnerability.

Just, y'know, don't expect the volus classes to be melee powerhouses.

What about the whole "explodes when shot" thing?

[DullahansXMark]

Chris Schanche wrote...

This thread is getting a bit heated. I'm going to leave it open for now, but bring it down, I think that the difference in opinion here can be discussed without turning towards personal attacks.

This is an interesting discussion, but lets try to have it in a civil manner.

I looked for 10 minutes thinking this might be a confirmation response! D:

lol, so true though.

[Lord Rosario]

EvanKester wrote...

Lord Rosario wrote...

EvanKester wrote...
[...]

I'm not dead set against it, but I'm worried that Volus in multiplayer could ruin what they are. Making them more "badass" in order to make them playable characters would lose something about them, it would take away some of what makes them unique.

[...] the one reason they're not admitted to the council is a lack of a military. They've clearly developed bombers, and maybe their numbers are low, but I could believe that they've developed armored suits that would reduce the risk of depressurization in combat (additional layers of armor perhaps?...)

So.. my acceptance of volus as a playable race depends a lot on how it's handled. I just don't want to see them turned into something they're not.

Bolded is the best arguement I've seen for being against Volus thus far. It's not really to preserve lore, it's to preserve how they are portrayed.

Underlined is something that has been brought up, but I don't think my counter arguement has been brought up to it. Volus are smart. They already have plenty of influence at the Citadel. They do not need a seat on the council and I would not put it past the Volus to say that they are pacifists just so they don't have to fight, not because they can't. 

Based on what we've seen in Mass Effect 2, I doubt the volus are strictly pacifists. But they are clearly physically and psychologically ill suited to violence.

It's plain in the trilogy that the volus resent not being given a seat on the council. While they're clearly interested in earning that seat doing the things they're naturally good at, I could see the argument for them trying to figure out ways around the ground-combat problem. I can also see how such a project couldn't turn out enough personnel to change their position in the big picture.

You can train to compensate for awkward mobility, and a lack of violent instincts.. but the methane-based high pressure biology is inescapable (on Illium you do hear ads about treatments but it's plainly a scam). Any solution to that would need to be technological.

Ok, if Volus do indeed resent that they don't have a seat on the council, my statement about not wanting it is obviously out the window.

As for their pressure suits, it's entirely possible with the technology they have to have redundant systems that would make it nearly impossible to depreasurize, but would also allow them to get hurt. I explained that having a shield membrane on the inside of their suit that is only there to keep pressure and anything else would pass through it. With that, they could indeed get hurt, shot at, and even heal with medigel without losing pressure.

Yes, a technological solution, but one that is already in effect and very possible in the ME universe.

[uzivatel]

Descy_ wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Volus aren't any more of a liability due to their physiology than a quarian. The volus could easily utilize emergency suit repair functions, heavy armor, and high shielding to make up for their vulnerability.

Just, y'know, don't expect the volus classes to be melee powerhouses.

What about the whole "explodes when shot" thing?

Its probably considered racist to bring it up.

[riotlord]

I would play a volus!

[a ViciousFerret]

Descy_ wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

Volus aren't any more of a liability due to their physiology than a quarian. The volus could easily utilize emergency suit repair functions, heavy armor, and high shielding to make up for their vulnerability.

Just, y'know, don't expect the volus classes to be melee powerhouses.

What about the whole "explodes when shot" thing?

I somehow doubt the Volus are using their civilian suits in combat.

[uzivatel]

a ViciousFerret wrote...

I somehow doubt the Volus are using their civilian suits in combat.

Its a shame the Volus used all the known indestructium on their military suits, the fleet could use some to coat the dreadnoughts.

[Lord Rosario]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Chris Schanche wrote...

This thread is getting a bit heated. I'm going to leave it open for now, but bring it down, I think that the difference in opinion here can be discussed without turning towards personal attacks.

This is an interesting discussion, but lets try to have it in a civil manner.

I looked for 10 minutes thinking this might be a confirmation response! D:

lol, so true though.

When looking for replies from Bioware, just click the big BIOWARE button below the thread name and it will open the thread with only the origional post and all of Bioware's replies to it.

[MegaSovereign]

Volus should be rightfully OPed for lore reasons.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Cry moar nerd, volus are hilarious.