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[Doommarine23]

Anyway, I'm enjoying the discussion guys, regardless of what any of us think. But here, just chew on this. It was data-mined (not sure by who, but other posts confirm it). Whats there is there.

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Rifneno wrote...
No, nobody's saying that volus won't fight.  Of course they'll fight.  Remember that flashback in From Ashes where some protheans were attacking a Reaper Destroyer with rifles?  It's exactly like that.  They'll try to defend themselves but there's no way in hell they can pull off the kinds of missions we do with our krogan battlemasters and asari justicars and such.  We're playing the best of the best from the greatest militaries.  Our enemies are balanced around us playing the best of the best characters. Volus can't keep up, and I mean that in every sense of the phrase.

Damn good post. Sums up everything that would and should keep the Volus out of ME3 Multiplayer.

[DESTRAUDO]

tictactucrac wrote...

DESTRAUDO wrote...

Until bioware bring in a system to force the people who do not want volus to play volus, then their dislike of them is of no importance. Plenty of people, myself included would love to see the volus brought in.

I would have see you as a pokemon. But it can't be, because it's pokemon. Why the fock "because i think it could be fun and i don't give a **** about lore" would be more legitimate than the lore itself  ? It IS NOT. 

I literally have no idea what you were trying to say.

[etm125]

tictactucrac wrote...

etm125 wrote...

I seem to remember another tictactucrac thread a few weeks ago about something different devolving into both sides just name calling. You seem to have a knack for starting flame wars, sir. Something about coming from the French BSN because it's empty.

I started nothing, look at my post, it is cool. YOu all answered with your "leave the game if you don't like we don't want people like you". And go out with your "oh french ? I understand", idiot racist guy.

You really should just stop using the term 'idiot'. I was not implying you're French in any sort of derogatory manner.French people are great. I was simply recalling you saying you came to the english boards because the french one was empty. 

You would get more agreement if you didnt call everyone who disagrees an idiot. 

[GrundyzMoshPit]

A Volus Vanguard that rolls like a bowling ball and when you hit your target it makes a loud crash sound. I would play that.

[Doommarine23]

Rifneno wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Bioware are professionals, they can certainly explain Volus troops, they explained a living Prothean in "From Ashes" they can explain something as minor as a Volus soldier in MP.

LOL.  I remember you now.  You were the guy arguing that the carnifex and piranha nerfs HAD to be the right thing to do because how dare we question BW's omniscience.  LOL again.

Hey bud, remember that explanation they gave for why the typhoon spits out spent shell casings even though guns in ME don't work that way?  Neither does anyone else, because they never explained it.  They just suck at their own lore apparently.

I remember you but not really for the right reasons. I also was arguing we should respect Bioware because they are professionals, they are older than you, have done this problaby before you were born and created this entire game and its series. They have it all down to a science and have actual gameplay expierence on their side. They discuss this stuff, they have data and actual teams that know what they're doing.

In other words? They know what they're doing, you don't. You are a guest, you are here to play their game, they made it, they know it. 

I don't act like I know what I'm doing when a doctor gives me a checkup, why should I when a developer is working on his work? You might not always agree with them, I know I don't, but I can always respect them and acknowledge they know what they're doing on their work, for good reasons.

[Rifneno]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Anyway, I'm enjoying the discussion guys, regardless of what any of us think. But here, just chew on this. It was data-mined (not sure by who, but other posts confirm it). Whats there is there.

Why the hell do you think this conversation started?  Jesus.

[Mendelevosa]

Ridiculous arguing on BSN?

Nothing new here.

[Lucifuture]

If anybody plays volus I will vote to kick and never revive them.

[Doommarine23]

Rifneno wrote...
Why the hell do you think this conversation started?  Jesus.

Yeah, I'm going to go dig through 20+ pages, no.

[PoetryAvenger]

OP, even though I'm neutral and couldn't care less whether or not we get Volus characters, your posts in this topic guarantee that I would enjoy your reaction to the implementation.

And not in the good way.

[Silasqtx]

Didn't read lol, but

"The volus are not physically cut out for combat, be it a full-scale war or even a bar room scuffle. As such, they are highly dependent on the turians for defense, although the volus themselves do provide some auxiliary troops to the Hierarchy. The volus will support the turians in any war they might pursue, and the turians will do the same for the volus.
Possibly for this reason, volus weaponry tends to be utilitarian rather than high-grade. Some volus manufacturers specialise in cheaper, lower-grade copies of expensive turian equipment.

Volus prefer airpower in conflicts, counting on turians for ground support. They maintain several flotillas of heavy-bomber frigates capable of warfare in any atmosphere.

The volus have only produced one dreadnought, the Kwunu, named after the diplomat who negotiated their client-race status with the turians. The Kwunu is the only volus ship of its class, but it is remarkably well-armed. Its broadside cannons and main gun are all Thanix Magnetic-Hydrodynamic Weapons. A turian general touring the Kwunu after its maiden system-voyage enthusiastically declared that the ship could "char a planet three times over". While its construction was funded entirely by the Elkoss Combine corporation, the dreadnought was jointly gifted to the Vol Protectorate and Turian Hierarchy upon completion."

from http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Volus

So, exoskeletons or not, Volus are as agile as a broken chair and as resilient as a paper bag.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
I don't see how he's talking about real life here.

IN THE GAME, a Volus would EXPLODE if their suit was to be punctured.
So IN THE GAME, a Volus being on the frontlines is a bad idea and not feasable as they stand.
IN THE GAME, having Volus in the MP as things stand does not make sense.

/arguement

You realize that arguing realism is about making sure things are realistic, therefor pretaining to a believable and realistic world, as in, being like the real world.

He is NOT arguing REALISM!!

He is argueing LORE.

Massive difference.
Please come back when you have a reasonable and legitiment arguement.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 04 octobre 2012 - 10:32 .

[Doommarine23]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
I don't see how he's talking about real life here.

IN THE GAME, a Volus would EXPLODE if their suit was to be punctured.
So IN THE GAME, a Volus being on the frontlines is a bad idea and not feasable as they stand.
IN THE GAME, having Volus in the MP as things stand does not make sense.

/arguement

You realize that arguing realism is about making sure things are realistic, therefor pretaining to a believable and realistic world, as in, being like the real world.

He is NOT arguing REALISM!!

He is argueing LORE.

Massive difference.
Please come back when you have a reasonable and legitiment arguement.

You know,  I posted several big posts in this thread arguing my stand-point. 

But lemme be blunt.

If its fun? I playz

[Bail_Darilar]

Did people get this heated with lore when they announced platinum? Theres ways of explaining things, at the most I hope BW at some point update the codex to explain their rationale. I however will be enjoying the volus knowing that I can consider the mp loosely canon.

[Grinch57]

OP, I'm glad you decided to dial it back a bit. I've gotten heated in some of my responses and it does no good, it does not elevate me. Let the insults pass.

I understand your concern. If BioWare really does roll out a Volus, they will have some way to make it something other than a joke, I think we need to trust them on this. They care too much about this game to do otherwise. This may also be an inside joke, since they know folks like Cyonan check what is in the files--they may be trolling us in a humorous way.

You have decent ideas and I laud your concerns about lore, but please, don't get into a twist because someone acts like a jerk. Part of the problem with web posts is that no one can hear the poster's tone of voice, so things can escalate unnecessarily.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
I don't see how he's talking about real life here.

IN THE GAME, a Volus would EXPLODE if their suit was to be punctured.
So IN THE GAME, a Volus being on the frontlines is a bad idea and not feasable as they stand.
IN THE GAME, having Volus in the MP as things stand does not make sense.

/arguement

You realize that arguing realism is about making sure things are realistic, therefor pretaining to a believable and realistic world, as in, being like the real world.

He is NOT arguing REALISM!!

He is argueing LORE.

Massive difference.
Please come back when you have a reasonable and legitiment arguement.

You know,  I posted several big posts in this thread arguing my stand-point. 

But lemme be blunt.

If its fun? I playz

And everytime you were proven wrong, you diverted the subject onto another view point.
You have nothing to back yourself up with.

Stop being so foolish.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 04 octobre 2012 - 10:39 .

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Bail_Darilar wrote...
Did people get this heated with lore when they announced platinum? Theres ways of explaining things, at the most I hope BW at some point update the codex to explain their rationale. I however will be enjoying the volus knowing that I can consider the mp loosely canon.

The Cerberus soldiers we fight are Indoctrinated by Reaper technology, the Heretic Geth worship the Reapers, and the soon-to-be faction of Collectors are completely under Reaper control. I don't see how Platinum wouldn't work, and I guess I wasn't there for that debate, if there was one.

[Woozooliko]

So lore turned a bit into lolre... I'm all for Volus. I mean it's about time they got off their fa... emmm wide *ss and start fighting for their own survival! But that's just imo...

[Doommarine23]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...
I don't see how he's talking about real life here.

IN THE GAME, a Volus would EXPLODE if their suit was to be punctured.
So IN THE GAME, a Volus being on the frontlines is a bad idea and not feasable as they stand.
IN THE GAME, having Volus in the MP as things stand does not make sense.

/arguement

You realize that arguing realism is about making sure things are realistic, therefor pretaining to a believable and realistic world, as in, being like the real world.

He is NOT arguing REALISM!!

He is argueing LORE.

Massive difference.
Please come back when you have a reasonable and legitiment arguement.

You know,  I posted several big posts in this thread arguing my stand-point. 

But lemme be blunt.

If its fun? I playz

And everytime you wre proven wrong, you diverted the subject onto another view point.
You have nothing to back yourself up with.

Stop being so foolish.

I told you several times I don't care about lore nor realism and in a loosely connected MP, we should care about variety and fun.

You want to be a stickler for lore, go ahead, I will instead enjoy the volus onslaught.

[CmdrPwn]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

What if they add them in some kind of badass battle suit?

I'm thinking they probably will be.  It would be hilarious if they weren't though.

[tictactucrac]

PoetryAvenger wrote...

OP, even though I'm neutral and couldn't care less whether or not we get Volus characters, your posts in this topic guarantee that I would enjoy your reaction to the implementation.

And not in the good way.

Sorry, you won't enjoy, i made a topic here because Volus are not implemented yet. If they definitely are or are not, why would i talk about it ?


Anyways, Bioware created the lore where Volus can't fight anything, where volus pay other races to protect them, where volus can't even WALK and TALK correctly.

If the same Bioware implement Volus in MP, the world has become really strange. And i hope a lot of people WILL leave the game, and Bioware will just say "what, we lost 50% players ? Hm, i know : volus."

I will leave the game if they do. I don't care if i am the only one, if you lol, i really don't care, i will know that i left a bad dev and they will know that they lost 40€ of their future game because of volus. 

[Zhuinden]

Seriously guys, have you even played MP in the last few months as Geth?
They BLEED out.

So all this lore-talk does no good, we should just enjoy the game for what it is.

[adamjmorgan]

Doommarine, you have not posted an argument, you have posted numerous strawmen. Please, show me where you countered the position that Volus in MP break the lore without resorting to strawmen arguments.

This is not an arguable point. Period. Based on what lore exists and is available to us, the Volus are simply not cut out for combat. Their inclusion in combat breaks that lore, and requires extensive reconning, or just throwing lore out the window completely; in which case I hope the next DLC lets me ride a hanar into combat while using a lascannon.

Some very good points being raised about how MP breaks the lore by nature, and I agree.  The geth bleeding out example for instance.  This is still very plausible (dwindling power supply needing a "jump start" from someone's omnitool or a med/battery pack), whereas to me, the Volus in combat are not.  

I will still play and enjoy if this ends up happening.  I will be disappointed because I thought that BW had more respect for the lore they worked so hard to believe, but I will still play it and enjoy it.  

Modifié par adamjmorgan, 04 octobre 2012 - 10:42 .

[N7 Whiskey]

Teachers, bankers, office workers and the like have always fought in wars such as in WWII. When faced with extinction, everyone fights. Even chubby little dudes in pressure suits.