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[Rifneno]

Cdr. Pwn wrote...

ForTuchanka wrote...

If people don't like it, they should cancel their ME3 preorder.

Haha yeah.  This is free content after all so it doesn't even matter if a few butthurt nerds leave the game.  Maybe they'll also protest the single player DLC because volus were added in multiplayer lol

And they wonder why they get called idiots.  Wow.

[M.T.Headed]

tictactucrac wrote...

Please !

We all (intelligent people) give you money if you don't add them. I hope all the volus leaked in DLC database are not kits. It can't be true. You can't break YOUR lore in this way.

We can discuss about collectors but their arrival can be LOGICAL. And fun to play against. 

Volus ? Is that fun to play that thing ? They are too weak to SPEAK and you want add them to fight reapers like a Krogan ?

This is not a comedy game. This is not angry bird here. Some serious please. I play a sci-fi game.

We all hope the leak is wrong. 

I can understand being unable to picture a volus on the front lines; I have the same problem. However, we won't know for sure if playing as a volus is fun or not until the DLC comes out. Give BioWare a chance!

[Immortal Strife]

That data page shows 9 Turians?!?

If Bioware brings in the Volus I hope one of the kits is more over powered than the Geth infiltrator. Then we will see who still refuses to use a Volus.

[tictactucrac]

a jaded hater 13 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Yeah, who cares about lore? It's not like the lore-breaking ending enraged so many fans that the backlash made it onto national news or anything. Who cares about lore indeed.

Boy, you sure love to whine.

You whine about us whining.

Anyways, Rifneno, i leave this place so good luck, i can't imagine there is so much people that bought the game "Mass Effect", a lore-based game, and next saying "i want play a little biotic volus god to fight against a banshee". It's incredible.

[tictactucrac]

M.T.Headed wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Please !

We all (intelligent people) give you money if you don't add them. I hope all the volus leaked in DLC database are not kits. It can't be true. You can't break YOUR lore in this way.

We can discuss about collectors but their arrival can be LOGICAL. And fun to play against. 

Volus ? Is that fun to play that thing ? They are too weak to SPEAK and you want add them to fight reapers like a Krogan ?

This is not a comedy game. This is not angry bird here. Some serious please. I play a sci-fi game.

We all hope the leak is wrong. 

I can understand being unable to picture a volus on the front lines; I have the same problem. However, we won't know for sure if playing as a volus is fun or not until the DLC comes out. Give BioWare a chance!

As i said, it's not a problem of "fun or not ?". Even if it is the funniest class in the game, i don't want to see them. Good night all

Modifié par tictactucrac, 04 octobre 2012 - 10:52 .

[TheNiddo]

Nobody intelligent (that word TC likes to throw around frequently), will leave over one race being playable.

Besides the fact that the Volus have clearly experimented with having a military between their bombing fleet, and their one warship that got praises from the Turian that inspected it: it's the end of their universe. Nobody who can hold a weapon is going to sit back idly and wait for death as they watch their friends and family get slaughtered.

More importantly: we don't know all of the new map locations. If one of them is on a Volus owned planet: they're going to be fighting. They don't have a choice in the matter. I also doubt Volus are immune to becoming biotics, so any class that uses biotics is perfectly feasible.

Volus are slow, clumsy, and lumbering around the battlefield at best? Great, they can be like Geth: high shields, zero health to speak of. Once their shields are gone, they're basically dead. Not a problem, doesn't not conflict with lore considering it's a life or death situation. Give them all the Barrier ability or something similar so they don't die instantly, give the Volus biotic Throw and some sort of unique biotic ability: bam, you have a new MP character that doesn't class with lore in the slightest.

Or they can have the best Tech Armour. After all, they sell weapons and armour, why wouldn't some of the smarter Volus keep some of the best for themselves knowing what's going on? Make the Turian, Krogan, and Human Sentinels green with envy with how their Tech Armour stacks up against the Volus' *Adjective* Tech Armour. And of course, they would have access to omni-tools which means tech powers like Incinerate are within easy reach.

On the political side of things: the Volus Ambassador in ME1 was clearly envious of the fact Humans were on the Council and not Voluses. Most likely the higher ups in the Volus race feel the same way. What better way to prove your point more by supporting the warrior races even though it's normally against their better judgement, and actually be surprising competent at it?

This isn't about the Biotic God fad, or at least entirely. It's logical, fits within how a race would react to extinction, and they're humaniod. All fits the criteria for ME3's MP.

[mpompeo27]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Just don't play them if you don't like them. Simple as that.

So those of us who prefer Unknown/Unknown are just **** outta luck then?? How about no.

[Zhuinden]

Well this is why it's a nice thing that Bioware supports the fans in general, and not individual picky ones.

[Kogia]

Zhuinden wrote...

Kogia wrote...

People seem to fall into 3 camps over the Volus; The smallest seem to be the definitely want, for fun, affection for the odd & increased variety reasons. The next smallest seem to be the 100% no way, it's madness, breaks law, looks stupid and may ruin the game. The final group, which is probably most people, seem to be at best indifferent and at worst slightly confused about how the Volus can fit with all that we know about them.

No groups view is incorrect, this is all fictional and nothing is set in stone, but I'm not convinced pleasing the smallest group is the best move.

I'm in the group that says, "I don't really care but it will probably be fun so I support the idea", where does that put me?

Well not really caring suggests indifference, but supportng the idea suggests you are have a positive opinion in favour of it, so your statement is a bit of a contradiction. I didn't include such complex confusions in my 3 split groupings.

[DESTRAUDO]

Zhuinden wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Sucks that people would let lore (which was completely invalidated after the SP ending) get in the way of fun elements in MP.

Luckily, their number is quite limited.

See, i love lore. Lore is worldbuilding and that is never bad. But it should never become a noose that strangles the creativity of a franchise. For all the screaming, all their arguments would be thrown into the bin by an updated lore entry for the volus to reflect the fact that they could no longer avoid combat because of the galaxy wide conflict. 

And you know what, there is no reason you could not do volus without a powersuit. Lets say they are slow, and cannot take a lot of punishment. All that is is flavour . Delicious flavour for devs to work with. It will make them say, if they are weak in these areas, where could we make them strong?

Are there any analogues to slow weak units in conventional war? Off the bat i would say artillary. So maybe volus are slow and weak, and terrible up close, but they can dish out great long range punishment. Maybe a lot of inate sniper bonuses. Maybe artillery style powers. Maybe they can deal buffs out to comrades or otherwise act as a rear support. Maybe they focus on combat without direct engagement and get punished heavily if they do.

To try and get bioware to junk what could be one of the additions that expand the gameplay the most, for the sake of an entry in a database which can be added to/amended is just staggering. 

[palmof40sorrows]

OblivionDawn wrote...

Just don't play them if you don't like them. Simple as that.

Seriously. Listen to this person. This person speaks truthiness. 

Also what Destruado said about nooses and so no. Also truthiness.

Modifié par palmof40sorrows, 04 octobre 2012 - 10:55 .

[GroverA125]

Part of me doesn't want them in for the fact that it shows that Biowares creativity is coming to a close, and that they're running out of new ideas to dazzle us with.

The other part is monumentally curious to see how they'll pull it off. If they have put them in, I have a bomb of questions. How will they make all the animations that all other races use fit? How will the cover and movement feature work? I will likely never use it, but it'll be like having a significantly less badass Gimli on the field.

[adamjmorgan]

*IF* it ends up happening, then I'll gladly play with any bro, whether Volus or Space Pancake. It doesn't matter to me, I'm out to have fun with friends.

However, that doesn't mean that I can't have an opinion wishing that certain features/races/classes/etc. aren't or shouldn't be implemented as they are. Stating otherwise or making fun of someone for their opinion is... well. That's a pretty indefensible position.

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Zhuinden wrote...
Seriously guys, have you even played MP in the last few months as Geth?
They BLEED out.

So all this lore-talk does no good, we should just enjoy the game for what it is.

They lose hydraulic fluid, resulting in their immobilisation, until the end of the wave where repairs are made and pressure is restored. Let's just say they skip the part where the surviving team members do the repairs on synthetics and the healing of organics...

[Hurkaleez]

 What if they are not playable characters and instead run an exchange where Multi-Players can trade in consumables?!

I wish! =p

[Gamemako]

Rifneno wrote...

Seems so.  Irune's atmospheric pressure is 60.56atm.

...yeah, you ain't gonna make a self-sealing suit at 60atm. In fact, you'd need a vessel with roughly 1.25in carbon steel to withstand that kind of pressure. You'd need a design pressure of around 1000psia. Something that punctures a suit that thick would be all sorts of game over. Not to mention that the rate at which it would lose pressure would be phenomenal, which would very quickly result in the death of the Volus. Gasses are less soluble at low pressures (think of a carbonated drink -- when you open it and release the pressure, where does the carbonation go?), so as soon as that thing punctured and leaked gas, you'd be up **** creek in a hurry. Humans can (and do) die when coming up from relatively shallow depths, where pressure is much lower. No human would make it to 600m (2000ft) before dying -- that's barely above crush depth for older nuke boats. If the suit was quickly depressurized by punctures, death would come swiftly from gas bubbles forming in tissue.

The ONLY way to put a Volus in combat is in a mech.

[DanielsMind]

No I want Volus, shut up OP.

[UpirNoir]

Doommarine23 wrote...

UpirNoir wrote...

APEX KING19 wrote...

The multiplayer is designed to be fun for people to play free from the constraints of single player lore.

I disagree. Apart from the fact that it is a Mass Effect game and not "Co-op Shooter with powers", the fact that the Multiplayer ties in directly with the Singleplayer (Promotions --> Singleplayer War Assets) kind of kills your argument. You might not care about lore in the MP, but a lot of people do, and saying it is designed to be free from lore is in no way supported by the facts.

If you're going to give so much of a hoot about lore, I want to know why so many things are flakey on lore.

Kill Geth? Still got em, Kill Quarians? got dem too.

You can use your trump card of "its still canon" or "bioware's canon" but Mass Effect never really had a canon in that sense, its not lore friendly to my expierence if those races are alive in multiplayer.
Hell, Samara mentions Justicars are held up at Thessia, defending it, why are they fighting with N7 rag-tags?
Hell, why are Turians? They're all fighting at Palaven.

Lots are things are flakey and loose, you can weave them together if you want, but my point remains,  this is not a tight knot knit lore connection and never will be.

Bioware are professionals, they can certainly explain Volus troops, they explained a living Prothean in "From Ashes" they can explain something as minor as a Volus soldier in MP.

This is not a question of canon. The fact of the matter is, that it is possible to recruit both Geth and Quarians in the Singleplayer campain, so the fact that both are in the multiplayer is established within the lore. You might have chosen otherwise when you played sp, but as I said, it is established.
Yes there are some stretches, and they are very good because they enhance the playing experience. But as I said, the game is set in a universe that was, quite extensively I might add, established be BioWare. this universe has rules and facts (however realistic they might or might not be in the real world). And in this established universe the Volus are not frontline infantry soldiers, due to their physical limitations. So putting them into the mp mode would break the established "rules" of the universe the game is set in. And that would bother me and a lot of others. BioWare would break the "rules" they have established over a period of 3 games and a lot of expanded universe stuff (Comics etc)

[BlackDahlia424]

Rifneno wrote...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

I have only 1 thing to say to people who want to not include possibly fun things that barely break lore: get a life. It's a video game - not real life. Who cares if it breaks a false reality - especially for a non-campaign, horde-mode multi-player?

Playing as a volus would be pretty fun.

Sorry, I have a rule about not taking sick freaks who name themselves after heinous murders seriously.

Hey, a straw man argument. What do people with nothing to say respond with? Nothing of relevance and discrediting the opposition with insignificant minutae. 

Seriously, if you don't like the idea of volus, then it's very simple. Don't play as one. But don't take that away from the MANY people who do want them.

Modifié par BlackDahlia424, 04 octobre 2012 - 11:02 .

[Zhuinden]

No it would not break any rules. So it is all okay.

[adamjmorgan]

Gamemako wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Seems so.  Irune's atmospheric pressure is 60.56atm.

...yeah, you ain't gonna make a self-sealing suit at 60atm. In fact, you'd need a vessel with roughly 1.25in carbon steel to withstand that kind of pressure. You'd need a design pressure of around 1000psia. Something that punctures a suit that thick would be all sorts of game over. Not to mention that the rate at which it would lose pressure would be phenomenal, which would very quickly result in the death of the Volus. Gasses are less soluble at low pressures (think of a carbonated drink -- when you open it and release the pressure, where does the carbonation go?), so as soon as that thing punctured and leaked gas, you'd be up **** creek in a hurry. Humans can (and do) die when coming up from relatively shallow depths, where pressure is much lower. No human would make it to 600m (2000ft) before dying -- that's barely above crush depth for older nuke boats. If the suit was quickly depressurized by punctures, death would come swiftly from gas bubbles forming in tissue.

The ONLY way to put a Volus in combat is in a mech.

And any tech/material that would let them do otherwise would be repurposed for use by the Turians, as it would be much more efficient use of it.  It would be like building a super-efficient power source and then using it exclusively to power record players.  Only the universe is also ending, so finding the best possible use of all tech is even more important.  Or you could listen to records.

[Grinch57]

Cyonan's post on the data extraction: http://social.biowar.../index/14353394

Again, we don't know if it is real or BioWare is simply having a little fun.

If it is the introduction of the playable Volus, let's give BioWare a chance to explain it.

[Gamemako]

adamjmorgan wrote...

And any tech/material that would let them do otherwise would be repurposed for use by the Turians, as it would be much more efficient use of it.  It would be like building a super-efficient power source and then using it exclusively to power record players.  Only the universe is also ending, so finding the best possible use of all tech is even more important.  Or you could listen to records.

Let's keep in mind that AI tech is limited due to that whole legal problem. Now, consider a choice: you can send Turians in on mechs, or you can send in Turians in normal armor and Volus in mechs. Unless the Turians are going to be superior mech pilots, it's a pretty clear choice. But again, this is assuming mechs. As I've said over and over, normal pressure suit = unworkable.

[babymoon]

If you don't like it, don't play it. That goes for everything in life tbh.

[Malanek]

M.T.Headed wrote...
I can understand being unable to picture a volus on the front lines; I have the same problem. However, we won't know for sure if playing as a volus is fun or not until the DLC comes out. Give BioWare a chance!

Playing as a Volus will still be fun if their powers are fun. But would the same set of powers be more fun on something else? What powers naturally feel right on a Volus? I don't really think ME3 multiplayer is the right genre for having "joke" classes and that is the only way I can currently envisage a Volus kit.