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[Dagr88]

Feynriel was made using elven model, because of the age -> height. That's why some people think he looks "elvish".
At least that's how i see it.

Modifié par Dagr88, 05 octobre 2012 - 07:33 .

[cogsandcurls]

ShadowLordXII wrote...

As for the whole Goldanna thing, if Fiona is Alistair's mother than maybe there was a servant woman who died in childbirth along with her child and Eamon used that situation as a cover story for Alistair. Sadly, Goldanna was screwed over as a side-effect and she'd spend the rest of her life bitter and angry because of Alistair's "birth".

Hence we have Alistair's hardening.

This is what I think happened, yes.

I do wonder if the whole thing is being kept intentionally vague at the moment so the writing staff can use the Hypothetical Third Brother to smoothen out future plot points if needed, though (the whole Theirin Bloodline storyline may well need another heir to appear if Maric's dead, since Alistair's already dead in some playthroughs and those two are the last of the bloodline). So while I tend to assume Fiona is Alistair's mother, I guess we can't be sure until it's explicitly addressed in-game.

[Robhuzz]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Then why doesn't he look half-elven?

He does. Can't you tell? He looks exactly like a human(fyi that's what half-elves look like).

The kid in DA2 looked more like a hybrid.

To be quite honest, BioWare forgot about a lot of established lore in DA2 so I think they may have just forgotten about that as well.

Let's hope they take established lore a bit more seriously next time...

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Robhuzz wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Then why doesn't he look half-elven?

He does. Can't you tell? He looks exactly like a human(fyi that's what half-elves look like).

The kid in DA2 looked more like a hybrid.

To be quite honest, BioWare forgot about a lot of established lore in DA2 so I think they may have just forgotten about that as well.

Let's hope they take established lore a bit more seriously next time...

They've never cared about established lore. No reason to start now.

[Mr.House]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

When an elf and human have babies the children look like humans (well they come out as humans, ha). And as it's been addressed, it isn't confirmed about Fiona being his mother. Though I think that the child was him. I mean, it explains why Duncan pushed the issue of recruiting him.

So, the idea of a human/elven hybrid looking like a mix of both is being retconned?

What? Slim and Feynriel are off spring of a elf and human, and they both look human. It's never been retcon.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I don't believe Alistair's mother is Fiona at all.

This is because Cailan was 9 years old when Maric met Fiona. Secondly, Anora is older than Cailan and Anora says she is around 5 years old than Cailan and Rto says she is reaching her 30 (which means she is in her late 20's) which would mean Cailan is either mid 20 or early 20. If we take 9 years away from Cailans age, Alistair should be a teenager. Since his not obviously a teenger, I think Maric has more than 2 children.

[Battlebloodmage]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I don't believe Alistair's mother is Fiona at all.

This is because Cailan was 9 years old when Maric met Fiona. Secondly, Anora is older than Cailan and Anora says she is around 5 years old than Cailan and Rto says she is reaching her 30 (which means she is in her late 20's) which would mean Cailan is either mid 20 or early 20. If we take 9 years away from Cailans age, Alistair should be a teenager. Since his not obviously a teenger, I think Maric has more than 2 children.

That's a great analysis. Maybe we'll encounter him in Dragon Age 3. It would be interesting if he wants to become king as well. Maybe we can overthrow Anora and/or Alistair to put him on the throne. 

[Patchwork]

It's been teased that Fiona is Alistair's mother but personally I'm sticking with what DAO showed us, there's no reason to think Maric only had two children.

Besides it would be kind of cool if Fiona's son becomes a companion at some point.

[Shades_Of_Pale]

That would be pretty cool. Maric sort of came across as...someone who got around, in my opinion..just a small thing that slightly annoyed me about him.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Mr.House wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

When an elf and human have babies the children look like humans (well they come out as humans, ha). And as it's been addressed, it isn't confirmed about Fiona being his mother. Though I think that the child was him. I mean, it explains why Duncan pushed the issue of recruiting him.

So, the idea of a human/elven hybrid looking like a mix of both is being retconned?

What? Slim and Feynriel are off spring of a elf and human, and they both look human. It's never been retcon.

I'll let the screenshots speak for themselves.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 05 octobre 2012 - 08:38 .

[Shades_Of_Pale]

Feynrial could just be an ugly person, lol.

[Battlebloodmage]

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

Feynrial could just be an ugly person, lol.

More than DA2 Alistair? I think not, sir. 

[Mr.House]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

When an elf and human have babies the children look like humans (well they come out as humans, ha). And as it's been addressed, it isn't confirmed about Fiona being his mother. Though I think that the child was him. I mean, it explains why Duncan pushed the issue of recruiting him.

So, the idea of a human/elven hybrid looking like a mix of both is being retconned?

What? Slim and Feynriel are off spring of a elf and human, and they both look human. It's never been retcon.

I'll let the screenshots speak for themselves.

Show me proof that Alistairs mother is Fiona, because the timeline disaproves it and Gaider refuses to comfirm it. Until Gaider comfirms it, Fiona is not Alistairs mother because the timeline makes it imposeable.

Also like how you ignore Slim.

Modifié par Mr.House, 05 octobre 2012 - 08:42 .

[Jessihatt]

The ages in The Calling are all wrong anyway:

Due to a mistake in the editing process Cailan's age in the novel is inconsistent with the established timeline. According to the author "Cailan is supposed to be five years old in "the Calling". Rowan died two years before. He is twelve in the epilogue for "the Stolen Throne"

I 100% believe Fiona is Alistair's mother. After reading the novels, I don't believe Maric is as promiscuous as we are lead to believe.

EDIT: Link to Gaider's time line  http://social.biowar...54532/1#1068000

Modifié par CommanderJessica, 05 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .

[Mr.House]

Again, show me concrete proof proof with things that fit the timeline. Even with Cailan being the proper age, Alistair would still be too young and not fit DAO if he was Fiona's child.

[Battlebloodmage]

I think it would be more interesting if there is another illegitimate son. They could expand that character to fit easier into the storyline of DA3 rather than adding extra information about old characters that may or may not survive the events of DAO like Alistair.

[Jessihatt]

There is no concrete proof, hence the speculation.
Alistair is like early 20s. I think it could all fit the timeline.

As we know, mistakes are made by the writers in regards to timelines.

There COULD be another son.
I just believe there isn't.
And if there is, it's not like I bet my life on it and will be devastated. It's not life or death to me.

[AbsoluteApril]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I'll let the screenshots speak for themselves.

? I see two humans.
I believe Feynriel's ears just look pointed due to the angle

[vortex216]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I don't believe Alistair's mother is Fiona at all.

This is because Cailan was 9 years old when Maric met Fiona. Secondly, Anora is older than Cailan and Anora says she is around 5 years old than Cailan and Rto says she is reaching her 30 (which means she is in her late 20's) which would mean Cailan is either mid 20 or early 20. If we take 9 years away from Cailans age, Alistair should be a teenager. Since his not obviously a teenger, I think Maric has more than 2 children.

... ok, i admit that is damning evidence. Why would Fiona and Duncan bring in someone else's baby?!  And why did Fiona say this, (right out of the book)  

" The chances of Grey Wardens conceiving are not very large"
So unless Maric slept with another Grey Waden 9 monthes prior... what else are you to expect? Another thing Fiona states is,
" No, what I want is for him to be human. I want him to be fully human and not in line for your throne, not competing with your other son and tied to this royal bloodthat has brought you nothing but greif. I want hiim to have a fresh start."
So why would Fiona telling Maric what she wanted to do with the baby? She has nothing to gain by deceiving him. That's two lines right out of the book that supports the idea of Fiona being Alistair's mother. Yes, yes. Alistar could be someone else's. Or it couldn't. The baby was sent to Redcliffe. Are you seriously considering that 2 of Maric's bastards were sent to Redcliffe? I think not.

Modifié par vortex216, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:28 .

[JellyBean28]

I feel like we could speculate on this subject until we're all blue in the face, but we won't know until it's confirmed.
Until then, I'm, personally, going to believe that Alistair is the son of Maric and a servant girl who might have a brother somewhere.
If Fiona's son isn't Alistair, i would really love to meet him in DA3.
If Alistair is Fiona's son, then I want to know his reaction to that revelation (IF he finds out).
Either way, I'll be happy as long as they tell us who the son is. I'm anxious to find out!

[Battlebloodmage]

AbsoluteApril wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I'll let the screenshots speak for themselves.

? I see two humans.
I believe Feynriel's ears just look pointed due to the angle

Find me some humans in DA2 with long thin facial structure. No, Aveline's chin doesn't count as a person.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:33 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

vortex216 wrote...

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

I don't believe Alistair's mother is Fiona at all.

This is because Cailan was 9 years old when Maric met Fiona. Secondly, Anora is older than Cailan and Anora says she is around 5 years old than Cailan and Rto says she is reaching her 30 (which means she is in her late 20's) which would mean Cailan is either mid 20 or early 20. If we take 9 years away from Cailans age, Alistair should be a teenager. Since his not obviously a teenger, I think Maric has more than 2 children.

... ok, i admit that is damning evidence. Why would Fiona and Duncan bring in someone else's baby?!  And why did Fiona say this, (right out of the book)  

" The chances of Grey Wardens conceiving are not very large"
So unless Maric slept with another Grey Waden 9 monthes prior... what else are you to expect? Another thing Fiona states is,
" No, what I want is for him to be human. I want him to be fully human and not in line for your throne, not competing with your other son and tied to this royal bloodthat has brought you nothing but greif. I want hiim to have a fresh start."
So why would Fiona telling Maric what she wanted to do with the baby? She has nothing to gain by deceiving him. That's two lines right out of the book that supports the idea of Fiona being Alistair's mother. Yes, yes. Alistar could be someone else's. Or it couldn't. The baby was sent to Redcliffe. Are you seriously considering that 2 of Maric's bastards were sent to Redcliffe? I think not.

Why not? The barterder in the noble tavern says that there's speculation that there's another maric son in the palace and he eats cupcakes all day. It's probably false but hey, more rumours about Maric children. It would be hilarious to have so many mini maric's running around.

[AbsoluteApril]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Find me some humans in DA2 with long thin facial structure. No, Aveline's chin doesn't count as a person.

well it is harder to find humans with the long face but I think part of that is because so many ended up with round cheeks in DA2. Anyways, these NPCs have long/narrow faces
Anders


Aveline
oh wait somehow she doesn't count? she has a thin long face, not just the chin


edit to add - if I sound argumentative, I apologise, I am not trying to be.

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 05 octobre 2012 - 09:44 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Mr.House wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Shades_Of_Pale wrote...

When an elf and human have babies the children look like humans (well they come out as humans, ha). And as it's been addressed, it isn't confirmed about Fiona being his mother. Though I think that the child was him. I mean, it explains why Duncan pushed the issue of recruiting him.

So, the idea of a human/elven hybrid looking like a mix of both is being retconned?

What? Slim and Feynriel are off spring of a elf and human, and they both look human. It's never been retcon.

I'll let the screenshots speak for themselves.

Show me proof that Alistairs mother is Fiona, because the timeline disaproves it and Gaider refuses to comfirm it. Until Gaider comfirms it, Fiona is not Alistairs mother because the timeline makes it imposeable.

Also like how you ignore Slim.

What? I agree with you. I think Alistair's mother is the scully maid. My point was the humans and human/elf hybrids look very different.

[Bfler]

What's more funny is, that in Stolen Throne, Maric is with Flemeth alone in her hut for a while. After that he seems a bit distracted. If he had to impregnate Flemeth, Morrigan would be Alistair's sister, what would mean, that he sleeps with his own sister during the ritual.