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[WhiteKnyght]

The first and foremost reason is that because they were both player driven in the past, having them in NPC roles would ****** people off if and when they do something the player doesn't agree with and they'll just rant here about it. Along with the usual about how the Warden should be the PC again and whatnot.

Second is that because of the way the character creation system changes between games, we have no guarantees as to what the characters will look like in the game. And even if we were allowed to make edits, the new system in DAII was almost impossible to create a likeness from Origins with. It'll presumably be the same.

Third. The Warden was a silent protagonist. The only times he/she spoke was random comments during battle and when you're doing things. And in those instances, each race and gender had like six voices to choose from. So to have the Warden voiced, every single one of those voice actors would each have to come in and do the lines for what will amount to a small scene anyway.

So all in all, it'd be easier to just determine the Warden and Hawke's fate in DAIII without them ever appearing.

[Battlebloodmage]

I agree, I don't mind them being mentioned regarding their accomplishment, but I don't care about not seeing them again. Like Bioware said, their story is over, let it rest.

[Maclimes]

*shrug* Whatever Bioware wants to do, I'm cool with it. I love my Wardens and my Hawkes. Which means

1) I'd like to see them again
2) I don't want them handled by someone else.

Since the only way to get both things is to make them PCs again (and that will never happen), then I'll be content with however it's done.

[Melca36]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The first and foremost reason is that because they were both player driven in the past, having them in NPC roles would ****** people off if and when they do something the player doesn't agree with and they'll just rant here about it. Along with the usual about how the Warden should be the PC again and whatnot.

Second is that because of the way the character creation system changes between games, we have no guarantees as to what the characters will look like in the game. And even if we were allowed to make edits, the new system in DAII was almost impossible to create a likeness from Origins with. It'll presumably be the same.

Third. The Warden was a silent protagonist. The only times he/she spoke was random comments during battle and when you're doing things. And in those instances, each race and gender had like six voices to choose from. So to have the Warden voiced, every single one of those voice actors would each have to come in and do the lines for what will amount to a small scene anyway.

So all in all, it'd be easier to just determine the Warden and Hawke's fate in DAIII without them ever appearing.

while I do agree with your post my Warden did have a Voice. My voice.

Its called having an imagination

[Scitenik]

I don't mind if the Warden never makes a reappearance. The story of the Warden, to me, was ended in DA:O.

I would like to see Hawke again, because that story ended so abruptly, and it deserves to have a conclusion - one that SHOULD have come in DA2.

[Celtic Latino]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The first and foremost reason is that because they were both player driven in the past, having them in NPC roles would ****** people off if and when they do something the player doesn't agree with and they'll just rant here about it. Along with the usual about how the Warden should be the PC again and whatnot.

Second is that because of the way the character creation system changes between games, we have no guarantees as to what the characters will look like in the game. And even if we were allowed to make edits, the new system in DAII was almost impossible to create a likeness from Origins with. It'll presumably be the same.

Third. The Warden was a silent protagonist. The only times he/she spoke was random comments during battle and when you're doing things. And in those instances, each race and gender had like six voices to choose from. So to have the Warden voiced, every single one of those voice actors would each have to come in and do the lines for what will amount to a small scene anyway.

So all in all, it'd be easier to just determine the Warden and Hawke's fate in DAIII without them ever appearing.

I agree, especially with the possibility that we console players may not even get to transfer our files with the whole next-gen engine thing. 

The Warden has so many variables that even if one 'canon' was made people will go ballistic. That alone is a fire that should not be touched. Plus as I've said many, many times, the Warden's story is done. Whether Queen of Ferelden or sacrificing himself to save Thedas, it's done. Gone. Over. Let him/her/it rest/rule/hunt in peace. 

Hawke also should probably be mentioned only. I can just see the default Hawke making an appearance much to the chagrin for those of us who put time in giving Hawke a unique look in DA2. The personality thing isn't a big deal because the transfer would select the dominant personality used, but the appearance alone can spell trouble. Same with Carver/Bethany although it *might* work if their appearance is imported properly (and they had defaults as opposed to purely custom so it wouldn't be as difficult). 

If you don't believe me look at what they did to Revan in SW: TOR. That alone should tell you not to mess with the player's protagonists.   

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Celtic Latino wrote...
If you don't believe me look at what they did to Revan in SW: TOR. That alone should tell you not to mess with the player's protagonists.

An excellent evidence why I don't trust BioWare with my former PC. They could NOT do it right. They have no idea how my character should look, let alone know how would she/he react and express himself/herself. 

[Tootles FTW]

What dialogue they might potentially give to a cameo Hawke in DA:I could always be decided upon your import Hawke's aggressive/sarcastic/diplomatic personality. I wouldn't mind this idea.

For the Warden, I have no clue. I tend to agree with Scitenik that the Warden's story is "done", or rather it WAS until they added that little tidbit of information at the end of DA2 that they've gone missing.

Modifié par Tootles FTW, 06 octobre 2012 - 02:01 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

I want the Warden and Hawke back, even in cameo form, simply because I feel like their stories are finished (even at the end of DA:A the epilogue slide makes mention of seeing the hero of Ferelden again).

As to people worried about them butchering the Warden by giving them a voice, my answer would be for Bioware to not have the character voiced. The Warden doesn't necessarily need any dialogue, they can just come in and be bad-ass, give a gruff nod to the new PC, and leave.

[Confused-Shepard]

Cannon Male Warde

[ediskrad327]

meh mine crossed the Eluvian anyway

[thesnake777]

This could turn out well, depending on how it is handled.

[Gabey5]

It would not ****** me off in the least.

[AwakenxBenihime]

I would love to hear some mentions of my Warden &/or Hawke but I don't expect to see them in person, especially my Warden.

[snackrat]

Hmm, I see 'doing things the player wouldn't' as a problem. You already get some of that just in dialogue: in DA2, if you imported a Dalish warden Merril asks Anders about "Mahariel". Anders then goes on to say 's/he's a very private person' - well, what if in your head-canon they were NOT? What if they threw WILD PARTIES and the city guard kept having to shut them down? Or maybe they were such over-sharers to the point that they were awkward company! HOW DARE YOU CAST OUR CHARACTERS IN THIS WAY ETC ETC

...portraying the Waden as anything more than a silhouette in the distance and a GOAL (with no MOTIVE) - such as 'going to see the Divine' (without saying 'to COMPLIMENT HER HAT') is automatically risky territory.
Hawke does have 'three personalities', as it were, and they may check how often you supported mages in the main game against who you sided with end-game (or I'd hope so, because otherwise that opens a whole new can of worms) but if you wanted your Hawke to avoid that 'pre-canned' feeling, it was best to alternate between the personalities - such as being blunt with strangers, being sarcastic when threatened (to show you are not afraid) and diplomatic when speaking to people in power (because you are a manipulator). I don't think an import could capture that, at all.

Not saying that they have to NEVER mention them, or even IMPLY them, but doing so is going to take a lot of fiiine balancing.

[wright1978]

Yeah i don't want particularly want to see them as NPC's. Obviously given they've both vanished, their fates need to be addressed though. Though anything that doesn't railroad them as dead is workable to me.

[Felya87]

i'd like to know what happened to my Wardens. Not so much about hawke.
And I don't care about the voices. everyone is ok. (English is not my language, she/he would speak funny anyway from my position) just...please, if know about the Wardn's fate is find a burned body with the icon "hero of Ferelden", I'm going to be really pissed.

Any other way to see what happened to her/him is Ok. A diary, a dream, a cameo, is fine by me.

[Sable Rhapsody]

wright1978 wrote...

Yeah i don't want particularly want to see them as NPC's. Obviously given they've both vanished, their fates need to be addressed though. Though anything that doesn't railroad them as dead is workable to me.

I think BioWare sort of wrote themselves into a corner here.  Every writer does at some point or another, but most writers don't have players interacting with their world and affecting their story.

If they DON'T mention the Warden or Hawke, it leaves closure for those characters up in the air.  If they DO offer information about those characters, they'd have to be NPCs.  And despite their accomplishments, they couldn't be in a position of power to affect the story.  Not to mention that a lot of folks have their own ideas for what happens to the Warden and Hawke, and if the writing in-game steps on toes, that's a whole other can of worms.

[Urzon]

Headcanon wise, my uber powerful mage warden died after he saved a young child's life, by accidently falling down stairs. He died like he lived. He protected the innocents and always got the last laugh in the end, the absurdity of his death.

He will be missed....

Modifié par Urzon, 06 octobre 2012 - 10:04 .

[wright1978]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Yeah i don't want particularly want to see them as NPC's. Obviously given they've both vanished, their fates need to be addressed though. Though anything that doesn't railroad them as dead is workable to me.

I think BioWare sort of wrote themselves into a corner here.  Every writer does at some point or another, but most writers don't have players interacting with their world and affecting their story.

If they DON'T mention the Warden or Hawke, it leaves closure for those characters up in the air.  If they DO offer information about those characters, they'd have to be NPCs.  And despite their accomplishments, they couldn't be in a position of power to affect the story.  Not to mention that a lot of folks have their own ideas for what happens to the Warden and Hawke, and if the writing in-game steps on toes, that's a whole other can of worms.

Not sure they wrote themselves into a corner. Think they deliberately went that way because they have a plot point to involve them in. Whether i'll like that plot use is unknown though. I'd even be content if it just turned out to be misleading misinformation and my Hawke is acting as 1st mate to a certain pirate under a pseudynom and my warden re-emerges after being on a secret mission for his wife, the queen.

[AdmiralDavidAnderson]

I'd like the Warden and Hawke to appear. I can see why people don't want the Warden to. But Hawke shouldn't be a problem, as long as they import his face.