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[AllThatJazz]

Really like that DG said in this thread that they are looking at ways to make the save import better rather than remove it completely. I often see comments on the BSN complaining that Bioware tackles criticism of a particular feature by taking it away altogether rather than improving it (Mako and planetary exploration and hacking/lockpicking minigames in ME spring to mind) so any attempt to improve something that is, at core, a pretty good idea, should be encouraged imo.

[LobselVith8]

Astranagant wrote...

All of the results of decisions made in DAO were peripheral information in 2, there's no reason to abandon them. I'd like to see them expanded, if anything.

Many of the outcomes were handwaved or rectonned, which is the problem some of us have.

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Here's what I think. Right now with DA3 we are going to get a save import. Fine I will deal with that. For some things in ME3 the save import worked incredibly well. I was surprised by the little differences between two of my characters.

For example. With one character, we'll call him Paragon Shep, I chose to keep Maelon's data on the creating the genophage cure. As a result me and Wrex remained good friends and me and him were on good terms, Now with my Renegade Shep, my other character, I destroyed Maelon's data on creating a genophage cure. As a result Wrex was very hostile towards me. Claiming that I betrayed his people. He didn't trust me and the relationship was strained. This is an example of the save import at its best. It may be a small thing the point is I felt like my choice actually mattered.

No with DA3 they can take the route of DA2 and bring characters back for the sake of story. This is fine IF THEY HAVE A PLACE! Dead should be dead. If you are fond of a character than it shouldn't be an option for them to die in the first place. I prefer that my choices have small impact on how I experience Dragon Age 3. For this game its okay because we are playing a different character in a different part of the world. Little references here and there are okay I wouldn'y mind that. But for Dragon Age the save import doesn't need to be used to its fullest extent.

I propose for future Dragon Age games that they ditch the import and give us a clean slate with fresh lore by putting us either in the future or taking us back to the past. That way we can have Origins sort of freshness where the ending shows us what our choices will do in the future or what they won't do. That way I am happy because I made choices hat mattered and Bioware can spend money on making higher a quality game.

[Vicious]

t gives the series a strong sense of continuity.

Name me an import decision in DA2 that wasn't fan service. Maybe one that actually changed the plot? 

Modifié par Vicious, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:11 .

[POETICDRINK]

I really hope they don't ditch the import system. If you are not forced to use it why does it bother anyone?!? this is puzzling to me. People want something gone because they don't like it and it doesn't effect your game.

[Vicious]

If you are not forced to use it why does it bother anyone?!?

You haven't been reading the thread. I like the import, most folks do. but when Bioware will handwave what they please, the only changes you will see are small inconsequential stuff. Development resources aren't unlimited, wouldn't it be better if they focused on making the main plot interesting and memorable than wasting time and money getting another Zevran cameo?

Because that's all the 'import' feature is good for. It changes nothing big. ever.

[POETICDRINK]

Vicious wrote...

If you are not forced to use it why does it bother anyone?!?

You haven't been reading the thread. I like the import, most folks do. but when Bioware will handwave what they please, the only changes you will see are small inconsequential stuff. Development resources aren't unlimited, wouldn't it be better if they focused on making the main plot interesting and memorable than wasting time and money getting another Zevran cameo?

Because that's all the 'import' feature is good for. It changes nothing big. ever.

Dragon Age 2 importing was a waste of time, but the Dragon Age: Origins imports worked incredibly well with the DLC content you could import to the other stories.

[Wulfram]

Save Import is nearly a necessity if you want to continue on with the same protagonist, like in the DLC and expansion packs.

But if you're not, then it's mostly superfluous and has bad effects on the story, whether or not we're forced to use it.

1. Anything that's effected by previous choices can't be followed up in the same way that it might otherwise. How much you can do in a story with Morrigan's kid is limited by the fact that Morrigan might not have a kid.

2. Knowing that it's difficult to accomodate disparate choices, the writers are likely to limit the amount of impactful choices available. As seemed to be the case in DA2.

[unbentbuzzkill]

i like the import system true in DA2 it was kinda useless but overall it's still a very good feature.

[robertm2]

meh. honestly it hardly made any difference what so ever in dragon age 2. i would be ok with no save import as long as there is zero mention to what happened in the previous games.

[Barnie062]

Here it is. Keep the save import to keep the world consistent with your play through for characters, gender, who's king or queen and if the Hawke was pro mage or templar. What people NEED to realize is the choices you made in Ferelden and Kirkwall don't matter to the other parts of the World! Its just fun to hear banter in the city about previous characters and have cameo's.

[Quill74Pen]

If the writers wish to create a story and world set in the Dragon Age universe that's "unhindered" by those "pesky" choices made by players, then I not-so-humbly suggest they do what Bethesda does — simply set your stories centuries apart. There. "Problem" solved.

I fell in love with the DA universe precisely because Bioware and its talent hugely succeeded in immersing me in the world they created, and by making some of what I did count beyond the end of DAA. If they go away from this by adopting the Bethesda model, then they have nothing more than another generic sandbox universe that, frankly, has little resonance with me. I've played several characters in Skyrim, and as huge and open-world as Skyrim is, its storylines are entirely shallow and emotionless.

I would prefer Bioware not take that route, and stick to the path they've chosen WRT player choices having real ramifications in related DA games, even if those ramifications are viewed as "minor" by certain elements of the player base.

[Vicious]

making some of what I did count beyond the end of DAA

Yeah? What choices were those? And where did they count outside of a cameo appearance?

[daaaav]

Barnie062 wrote...

Here it is. Keep the save import to keep the world consistent with your play through for characters, gender, who's king or queen and if the Hawke was pro mage or templar. What people NEED to realize is the choices you made in Ferelden and Kirkwall don't matter to the other parts of the World! Its just fun to hear banter in the city about previous characters and have cameo's.

I'm sorry but either you're thinking this through and simply don't care - which is fine, or not thinking it through and missing all the implications that the thread has attempted to convey.

The point is that it should MATTER who is the king or queen of Ferelden. It should MATTER who is the king of Orzamar and it should MATTER if the urn of sacred ashes is found or not. These things should be integral parts of the story.

If you're happy with all of these decisions leading to merely "banter in the city about previous characters and have cameo's", then that is fine. But you must know that importing these decisions PRECLUDES these decisions from being anything more than that.
 
The friggen king of Ferelden should be a figurehead and a pillar of the story, this is fantasy after all. Not a 2 dialogue line cameo.

[Todd23]

I will only except it being removed if it is replaced with a mind reading module that transfers all presets you desire directly from your mind.

[ImperatorMortis]

No. Why would I want that gone.

Why would you want to remove some semblance of choice?

[Vicious]

Why would you want to remove some semblance of choice?

Because If your choice is ultimately meaningless, what was the point of even having it? (see: old god baby reference, character that did not perform ritual, Witch Hunt DLC)

It leaves it as a gimmick to increase sales. Unless of course you want Fan Service Age 3, as many seem to. Then it's hard to find any problem at all with the import system!

Modifié par Vicious, 16 octobre 2012 - 02:22 .

[Nightdragon8]

IMO the import save is one of the MAJOR things that I like about the game. it gives a contunueation of the story.

I mean at this point them breaking that will be akin to what Dallas did back in the 80's

They kill off a major character. and then the next season bring them back. Not only making the orginal tacky making the off shoot program fail.

[daaaav]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

No. Why would I want that gone.

Why would you want to remove some semblance of choice?

As with all of these "remove this and that" threads... Alot of folks having this knee jerk reaction to only consider what is removed. Not why it is removed and not what would be added if it was removed.

First of all,

I don't think that you would like Dragon Age as a sand box game in terms of the number of choices available to you.Dragon age is not skyrim. Dragon age has complex characters, skyrim does not. Dragon age has interesting and complex storylines, skyrim does not. If you increase the choices available to the player then you errode the richness of the story and the characters in order to accomodate all of these choices.

Now to the save import feature. The argument is that anything included in the save import feature must be almost trivial to the story. If there was a canon set of choices between games, then things like the dark ritual, and characters can have major roles from one game to the next.

If they are included in the save import, then half of players will have certain characters and half will not. This means that these characters can appear only as cameos or carbon copies! You are limiting what the writers can do with these characters and senarios.

[ImperatorMortis]

Vicious wrote...

Why would you want to remove some semblance of choice?

Because If your choice is ultimately meaningless, what was the point of even having it? (see: old god baby reference, character that did not perform ritual, Witch Hunt DLC)

It leaves it as a gimmick to increase sales. Unless of course you want Fan Service Age 3, as many seem to. Then it's hard to find any problem at all with the import system!

If it doesn't work exactly right remove it? That makes no sense. Why not try improving the function instead of getting rid of it? 

[Well]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Why would you want to remove some semblance of choice?

Because If your choice is ultimately meaningless, what was the point of even having it? (see: old god baby reference, character that did not perform ritual, Witch Hunt DLC)

It leaves it as a gimmick to increase sales. Unless of course you want Fan Service Age 3, as many seem to. Then it's hard to find any problem at all with the import system!

If it doesn't work exactly right remove it? That makes no sense. Why not try improving the function instead of getting rid of it? 

Common sense.Must be in the wrong forum.You would think if there was a problem they would do as you suggested.I wouldn't bet the farm on it happening.

[Nerys]

I would prefer to keep the import option. I agree that it helps make the game more immersive and just more enjoyable. It just makes me happy when old friends show up in my games. And I would miss even the "Oh, s***" moments when I hear about the dire repercussions due to a past choice.
Also I am curious if those who want to play the game without imports have tried playing the game without them. Let me tell you, It is a completely different game. For example: my ME3 experience (with imports from the previous two games) was totally different than my friend's game (without import). His game just made me sad. It seemed so lackluster. (one difference was the absence of Jack. Another was my friend's inability to choose if he saved the council in ME1. Not saving them would have been inconceivable to my alien friendly Shepard :innocent:)

Imports make the game much more rich in my opinion

Modifié par Nerys, 16 octobre 2012 - 09:47 .

[MillKill]

Nerys wrote...

I would prefer to keep the import option. I agree that it helps make the game more immersive and just more enjoyable. It just makes me happy when old friends show up in my games. And I would miss even the "Oh, s***" moments when I hear about the dire repercussions due to a past choice.

There can't be dire reprecussions with an import feature. It will be a few lines, a cameo, or a sidequest at most.

In a series like Mass Effect, it works because you are playing through one story with one character.

In a series like DA, with multiple protagonists and only tangentially connected stories, it hurts more than helps.

[Toxic Waste]

Origins had no real impact in 2 as far as story is concerned. But i like the fact that my Warden/Queen who had a foursome with Isabella was mentioned in 2. I like seeing or hearing about things in 2 that I did in 1. it adds a conection between the two games that I prefer over choosing one of the default history the begining.

I for one am glad they will keep the import.

[Terrorize69]

Since BW has yet to fix the bug that can corrupt save files in DA2 if you have all DLC. You may aswell take out save imports if it doesn't accept corrupted data :s