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[leighzard]

Since it is possible to reverse tranquility, that could make for an interesting story arc. Maybe there's an optional quest to reconnect the companion to the Fade. Is it something that the companion wants? Does s/he change stance after it takes place? What about your character? Have you accidentally unleashed an abomination on Thedas? Is the companion you thought you knew, whose logical input you valued, completely different than you imagined? I think a tranquil companion has potential.

[CuriousArtemis]

leborum wrote...

Since it is possible to reverse tranquility, that could make for an interesting story arc. Maybe there's an optional quest to reconnect the companion to the Fade. Is it something that the companion wants? Does s/he change stance after it takes place? What about your character? Have you accidentally unleashed an abomination on Thedas? Is the companion you thought you knew, whose logical input you valued, completely different than you imagined? I think a tranquil companion has potential.

Wow  Truthfully, this would be pretty amazing!!!

[TsaiMeLemoni]

After reading Asunder I think a Tranquil companion would be very interesting.

[Wickwrackscar]

motomotogirl wrote...

leborum wrote...

Since it is possible to reverse tranquility, that could make for an interesting story arc. Maybe there's an optional quest to reconnect the companion to the Fade. Is it something that the companion wants? Does s/he change stance after it takes place? What about your character? Have you accidentally unleashed an abomination on Thedas? Is the companion you thought you knew, whose logical input you valued, completely different than you imagined? I think a tranquil companion has potential.

Wow  Truthfully, this would be pretty amazing!!!

It would also be interesting to see what happens to a tranquil who is close to a fade tear, like the one in the trailer. Maybe the tranquil will be restored to his/her normal self, as long as the tear is open and he/she is close to it. In addition, where the veil is thin, the tranquil could be partially or episodically reconnected to the fade. There is indeed potential there.

[Dameos76]

Tranquil Companion would be interesting if done right.. but i dunno about a "Party Companion" I am not even sure what the premise of DA:I is, seems like they may be mixing a bit of "Strategy" into it with the "World at War" and the return of the old gods... Tranquil could be used as spies if you remember in Origins the Tranquil items keeper (can't remember his name at the moment) was ignored by the abominations and blood mages. but they are obviously still able to learn and comprehend things.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Also the option to make mages tranquil.

[Nerys]

I think this is a very interesting idea. Could be really awesome. I would like to see a more about the tranquil.

[Jackums]

I'd prefer a demon companion first. Not a troubled mess of a spirit-possessed mage, a la Anders, but a straight-up intelligent demon, similar in nature to Amalia or Connor, perhaps following the PC for personal gain of some sort.

That aside, the idea of a Tranquil as a companion seems interesting. I'm not against it.

[Chagrinned Goat]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

lol there is no sense in that as well we can got skeleton as companion , tranquil is a zombie without own personality their purpose is to serve master no free will , no character development ,no interesting conversations ups i almost described da 2 companions xD .

The tranquil aren't emotionless, just emotionally subdued. They are obedient not because they lack free will, but because it is the path of least resistance, and they desire peace.

I'd love to see a tranquil companion, especially as a regular party member. A tranquil with martial training doesn't seem too far out of the realm of possibility, and there's a lot of potential for banter. There's room for all the tragic drama the writers could want with that Veil tear, too, assuming that would be enough to "awaken" them, at least temporarily.

[Lord Raijin]

leborum wrote...

Since it is possible to reverse tranquility, that could make for an interesting story arc. Maybe there's an optional quest to reconnect the companion to the Fade. Is it something that the companion wants? Does s/he change stance after it takes place? What about your character? Have you accidentally unleashed an abomination on Thedas? Is the companion you thought you knew, whose logical input you valued, completely different than you imagined? I think a tranquil companion has potential.

Thats all nice and stuffs... but theirs a reason why the companion became tranquil... perhaps they weren't strong enough to pass the Harrowing thus became tranquil in the process.. Why should we want to have a weak NPC as a companion? Even if we had the ability to reconnect the NPC to the fade again... I sense trouble. The only way I can legitimately see a valid point of having a tranquil companion is if you found out that they were illegally made tranquil against their will, and that you were trying to figure away to reserve the damage.

Perhaps you met up with a strong mage companion, and was kidnapped by rogue Templars and was made tranquil to get information about you. It would be like the situation with Karl and Anders in DA2.

[Eveangaline]

Lord Raijin wrote...

leborum wrote...

Since it is possible to reverse tranquility, that could make for an interesting story arc. Maybe there's an optional quest to reconnect the companion to the Fade. Is it something that the companion wants? Does s/he change stance after it takes place? What about your character? Have you accidentally unleashed an abomination on Thedas? Is the companion you thought you knew, whose logical input you valued, completely different than you imagined? I think a tranquil companion has potential.

Thats all nice and stuffs... but theirs a reason why the companion became tranquil... perhaps they weren't strong enough to pass the Harrowing thus became tranquil in the process.. Why should we want to have a weak NPC as a companion? Even if we had the ability to reconnect the NPC to the fade again... I sense trouble. The only way I can legitimately see a valid point of having a tranquil companion is if you found out that they were illegally made tranquil against their will, and that you were trying to figure away to reserve the damage.

Perhaps you met up with a strong mage companion, and was kidnapped by rogue Templars and was made tranquil to get information about you. It would be like the situation with Karl and Anders in DA2.

That would be pretty interesting. Especially if you find out the history from others, confront your companion about it, and they're just "Yes. I was betrayed. Does it matter?"

I'd love a contrast to how you might feel about a sitution when the tranquil is just being..tranquil.

[Jonata]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

I want a tranquil love interest, no joke. I wanna see an epic romance plot line that ends in the tranquil companion regaining his/her emotions.

That's... not quite as creepy as it sounds, and actually potentially very deep. This is just one of the many aspects of a Tranquil companion I believe: their condition is so unique that you can do everything with that premise. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Chagrinned Goat wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

lol there is no sense in that as well we can got skeleton as companion , tranquil is a zombie without own personality their purpose is to serve master no free will , no character development ,no interesting conversations ups i almost described da 2 companions xD .

The tranquil aren't emotionless, just emotionally subdued. They are obedient not because they lack free will, but because it is the path of least resistance, and they desire peace.

I'd love to see a tranquil companion, especially as a regular party member. A tranquil with martial training doesn't seem too far out of the realm of possibility, and there's a lot of potential for banter. There's room for all the tragic drama the writers could want with that Veil tear, too, assuming that would be enough to "awaken" them, at least temporarily.

Even Data from ST have more emotions that them , utter obedience is lack of free will you can even rape them and they won't object , they don't have capabilities to refuse.

[Jonata]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Even Data from ST have more emotions that them , utter obedience is lack of free will you can even rape them and they won't object , they don't have capabilities to refuse.

From the Dragon Age Wikia: 

 They are more agreeable and would not normally oppose an authority figure,[2] but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so.

Modifié par Jonata, 17 juillet 2013 - 01:16 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Jonata wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Even Data from ST have more emotions that them , utter obedience is lack of free will you can even rape them and they won't object , they don't have capabilities to refuse.

From the Dragon Age Wikia: 

 They are more agreeable and would not normally oppose an authority figure,[2] but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so.

[MisterJB]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Jonata wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Even Data from ST have more emotions that them , utter obedience is lack of free will you can even rape them and they won't object , they don't have capabilities to refuse.

From the Dragon Age Wikia: 

 They are more agreeable and would not normally oppose an authority figure,[2] but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The fact she accepts Alrik's authority; probrably because he holds a rank in the Templars; doesn't eliminate the possibility of her refusing an order if she deems it logical.

[TheKomandorShepard]

MisterJB wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Jonata wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Even Data from ST have more emotions that them , utter obedience is lack of free will you can even rape them and they won't object , they don't have capabilities to refuse.

From the Dragon Age Wikia: 

 They are more agreeable and would not normally oppose an authority figure,[2] but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The fact she accepts Alrik's authority; probrably because he holds a rank in the Templars; doesn't eliminate the possibility of her refusing an order if she deems it logical.

Thats she accept someone who made her sex slave thats mean that tranquil is incapable being something more than tool , tranquil can't fight his right , tranquil won't complain if you will use him as brige or sex slave they are obedient like skeleton to necromancer , tranquil will take any role what his master will order.Accepting authority when authority kicks you in face is not logical just complete lack of independence and free will.  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 17 juillet 2013 - 02:33 .

[Lord Raijin]

Eveangaline wrote...
That would be pretty interesting. Especially if you find out the history from others, confront your companion about it, and they're just "Yes. I was betrayed. Does it matter?"

I'd love a contrast to how you might feel about a sitution when the tranquil is just being..tranquil.

Let me first fix a typo that I made earlier. Reserve – Reverse. I'm glad you read over it

Ever since the incident with Karl and Anders really have me thinking. Could one of the spirits like Justice/Vengeance be the key to cure a tranquil? Karl seemed to had momentary snapped out of of it during Anders/Vengeance rage fit.

[MisterJB]

Hardly. You are making an emotionally charged judgement which the tranquil is incapable of. The prospect of being used as a sex object repulses you and rigthly so. But is it simply because of the possible physical harm incurred by it?
No, humans associate shame and hummiliation with it and that helps make rape that specially evil action.
But would an emotionless person react the same manner? I don't think so; since a tranquil couldn't feel shame or anger, all that a tranquil would fear from rape would be the physical injury.

But if Alrik threatened to kill the Tranquil if she reported it, she could simply rationalize that the consequences for speaking out would be more severe than those for keeping silent and that would lead to her accepting Alrik's use of her body as the lesser of two evil or even not an evil at all if he doesn't particularly hurt her.

[TheKomandorShepard]

MisterJB wrote...

Hardly. You are making an emotionally charged judgement which the tranquil is incapable of. The prospect of being used as a sex object repulses you and rigthly so. But is it simply because of the possible physical harm incurred by it?
No, humans associate shame and hummiliation with it and that helps make rape that specially evil action.
But would an emotionless person react the same manner? I don't think so; since a tranquil couldn't feel shame or anger, all that a tranquil would fear from rape would be the physical injury.

But if Alrik threatened to kill the Tranquil if she reported it, she could simply rationalize that the consequences for speaking out would be more severe than those for keeping silent and that would lead to her accepting Alrik's use of her body as the lesser of two evil or even not an evil at all if he doesn't particularly hurt her.

Hello she accepted her role as sex slave and says she belongs to sir arlic normal person after that tryies escape tranquil not , of course tranquil will take logical way as escape if his task is threatened not because he care about his life.She wasn't intimidated she immediately accepts her role (because tranquil can't see any other solution) as arlic property who does that beyond mindless minions.  

[MisterJB]

Ok, first of all, you have no evidence of what lead to that tranquil accepting that role.

Second, even if tranquil had no true free will; which they do; there is not a single piece of lore or evidence that even remotely suggests that tranquil become loyal to whoever happened to be holding the Brand therefore, her allegiance would be to the Templar Order and/or the Circle, not Ser Alrik unless something else was in play.

Third, Owen flat out states tranquil retain the self preservation instict because it is, after all, logical. Living is better than not living because one does not know what death entails.

Fourth, I am repeating myself but the fact that tranquil accepted her role doesn't eliminate the possibility of her refusing her goal if she saw it as logical. I'm not sure how to make this more obvious: just because someone accepted a role normally considered to be unnaceptable, does not mean that person could not have refused said role and is a mindless minion,
No, tranquil are not like normal people which doesn't mean they have no free will which is the point of this debate.

[Lord Raijin]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Jonata wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Even Data from ST have more emotions that them , utter obedience is lack of free will you can even rape them and they won't object , they don't have capabilities to refuse.

From the Dragon Age Wikia: 

 They are more agreeable and would not normally oppose an authority figure,[2] but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so.

What exactly is that supposed to prove? The fact she accepts Alrik's authority; probrably because he holds a rank in the Templars; doesn't eliminate the possibility of her refusing an order if she deems it logical.

Thats she accept someone who made her sex slave thats mean that tranquil is incapable being something more than tool , tranquil can't fight his right , tranquil won't complain if you will use him as brige or sex slave they are obedient like skeleton to necromancer , tranquil will take any role what his master will order.Accepting authority when authority kicks you in face is not logical just complete lack of independence and free will.  

I can probably put an answer to this little debate. The wike page said this: "They are more agreeable and would not normally oppose an authority figure,[2] but if the Tranquil saw a logical reason not to follow an order, they would do so."

So Heres Ser Otto Alrik... the Tranquil Solution Templar wanting to make every Mage in Kirkwall tranquil, even those who already passed their Harrowing.



Ser Alrik has a lot of experience dealing with Tranquil former mages therefour he probably knows how to manipulate them. It's called brainwashing. You keep drilling illogical things into the victims head long enough until they will eventually cave in, and think that what their abuser is doing is logical.

Judging by these photos you can see what kind of stuffs Alrik was drilling into his tranquil victims minds prior to the abuse.




Once Alrik is dead

[TheKomandorShepard]

MisterJB wrote...

Ok, first of all, you have no evidence of what lead to that tranquil accepting that role.

Second, even if tranquil had no true free will; which they do; there is not a single piece of lore or evidence that even remotely suggests that tranquil become loyal to whoever happened to be holding the Brand therefore, her allegiance would be to the Templar Order and/or the Circle, not Ser Alrik unless something else was in play.

Third, Owen flat out states tranquil retain the self preservation instict because it is, after all, logical. Living is better than not living because one does not know what death entails.

Fourth, I am repeating myself but the fact that tranquil accepted her role doesn't eliminate the possibility of her refusing her goal if she saw it as logical. I'm not sure how to make this more obvious: just because someone accepted a role normally considered to be unnaceptable, does not mean that person could not have refused said role and is a mindless minion,
No, tranquil are not like normal people which doesn't mean they have no free will which is the point of this debate.

Owen couldn't ask wynne to let him go he just back to his task it was logical not that was stupid and excludes "living is better than not living" .Robots can be logical too but still they are only tools like tranquil.Somone who have free will but no emotion is Ulquiorra http://bleach.wikia....lquiorra_Cifer  he is loyal but won't accept any role like sex slave.

"you have no evidence of what lead to that tranquil accepting that role." She said that she belongs to arlic but who said that chantry , arlic or maybe that was her decision not that was arlic desire she accept it.

*Up What makes them robots which can be reprogrammed and won't be able resist even qunari have problems with it.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 17 juillet 2013 - 03:35 .

[Lord Raijin]

MisterJB wrote...

Second, even if tranquil had no true free will; which they do; there is not a single piece of lore or evidence that even remotely suggests that tranquil become loyal to whoever happened to be holding the Brand therefore, her allegiance would be to the Templar Order and/or the Circle, not Ser Alrik unless something else was in play.

Base on what I heard from the Tranquil former mage elf in the gallows indicates that Ser Otto Alrik was probably not the Templar that branded this Elf mage to be tranquil, but submits to Alriks abuse.

If Tranquil's has free will they can become fallen victims of brainwashing, like I said before.

[MisterJB]

You are still only making an emotionally charged judgement, not using arguments. You hold up "sex slave" as the ultimate proof that someone lacks free will but not only is that based entirely on your personal beliefs, I've also already demonstrated in previous posts how that role could be accepted by someone with no emotions like the tranquil.
Accepting a role does not mean someone could not have refused that role. That only a mindless automaton could be a sex slave is your prerrogative and it doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 juillet 2013 - 03:43 .