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[cjones91]

MisterJB wrote...

You are still only making an emotionally charged judgement, not using arguments. You hold up "sex slave" as the ultimate proof that someone lacks free will but not only is that based entirely on your personal beliefs, I've also already demonstrated in previous posts how that role could be accepted by someone with no emotions like the tranquil.
Accepting a role does not mean someone could not have refused that role. That only a mindless automaton could be a sex slave is your prerrogative and it doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

Because any rational person would see that being sexually abused is wrong and would fight back against the abuser.Since Tranquil are supposed to think rationally and logically then they would see that being raped is something that is wrong,I equate someone taking advantage of Tranquil mages as someone who takes advantage of the mentally challenged.

The abuser has the perfect victim and knows they can do whatever they want because the victim is unable to speak about the abuse.

[TheKomandorShepard]

MisterJB wrote...

You are still only making an emotionally charged judgement, not using arguments. You hold up "sex slave" as the ultimate proof that someone lacks free will but not only is that based entirely on your personal beliefs, I've also already demonstrated in previous posts how that role could be accepted by someone with no emotions like the tranquil.
Accepting a role does not mean someone could not have refused that role. That only a mindless automaton could be a sex slave is your prerrogative and it doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

Let's go through this slowly. Why would someone refuse to be a sex slave?

First that isn't pleasant (not only emotionally) and isn't necessary also doesn't provide any benefit for me or anyone else with the exception of a rapist but also weakens anything i work for by spreading corruption what leads to disorder.If role unfavorable for me or anything else except Arlic which you can't say no.      

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 17 juillet 2013 - 04:05 .

[MisterJB]

cjones91 wrote...
Because any rational person would see that being sexually abused is wrong and would fight back against the abuser.Since Tranquil are supposed to think rationally and logically then they would see that being raped is something that is wrong,I equate someone taking advantage of Tranquil mages as someone who takes advantage of the mentally challenged.

The abuser has the perfect victim and knows they can do whatever they want because the victim is unable to speak about the abuse.

And why is it wrong? I'm not saying it's not, I'm asking you to justify through logic; which is all tranquil have acess to; why it's wrong.
(I don't actually disagree with you that taking advantage of tranquils is abominable; I only disagree with the notion that this indicates tranquil have no free will)

Even the very idea of wrong is firmly based upon a person's feeling unless we are speaking of a mathematical error or something else objective.

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
First that isn't pleasant (not only emotionally)

Itcan lead to physical injuries but, depending on the cases, a tranquil might consider the potential consequences of refusing or reporting to have more serious consequences.

and isn't necessary also doesn't provide any benefit for me or anyone else with the exception of a rapist but also weakens anything i work for by spreading corruption what leads to disorder.If role unfavorable for me or anything else except Arlic which you can't say no.      

Hardly. A couple of minutes of hip thrusting are not going to distabilize the social order.
While it's true that this favor none but Alric, what we must ask ourselves is why a tranquil would refuse him. What logical reason could there be?

Modifié par MisterJB, 17 juillet 2013 - 04:16 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

First Arlic was corrupted so his further action leads to corruption and disorder and disorder isn't logical because disorder is unpredictable logic is order.Templars can't legitimately hurt tranquil because they are free as you said so he could say that loyal templar but he didn't if he was frightened (for what you need to emotions) that would be justified.

[Eveangaline]

Now knowing about the fact that there will be rift openings everywhere and your job is to close them, I'd love this even more. Especially if the tranquil companion regained their senses around rifts and was aware that every time one was sealed, that was one less place they could have emotions again.

[Angrywolves]

no.

[Eveangaline]

Angrywolves wrote...

no.

Or maybe..yes?

[BouncyFrag]

Anders?

[Ryzaki]

XD

But a tranquil companion could be really interesting.

[wolfhowwl]

I would have liked to make Merrill a tranquil companion.

[Taleroth]

Ryzaki wrote...

XD

But a tranquil companion could be really interesting.

If you call a companion that does nothing but stands there interesting.

No class, no skills, base stats only, one AI setting... passive.

[Reaverwind]

Taleroth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

XD

But a tranquil companion could be really interesting.

If you call a companion that does nothing but stands there interesting.

No class, no skills, base stats only, one AI setting... passive.

You never know - statues are interesting....who am I kidding - that talking statue in DA:O had more personality than a tranquil.

[AmRMa]

No too boring- conversations with them aren't interesting.

[Ryzaki]

Taleroth wrote...

If you call a companion that does nothing but stands there interesting.

No class, no skills, base stats only, one AI setting... passive.

Tranquil sit around doing nothing? Odd I was under the impression that they were skilled at rune crafting.



Hoonestly to me it'd be interesting simply for the inlook to how a tranquil is. Hopefully the devs wouldn't have it be restricted to something as boring and simple as "I don't think for myself so I'm not going to say anything unnecessary ever."

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 septembre 2013 - 03:38 .

[BouncyFrag]

AmRMa wrote...

No too boring- conversations with them aren't interesting.

This conversation was much better than the first one when you had to get some sort of fire rod from him...but, yeah, still super boring.

[NessCraig]

wolfhowwl wrote...

I would have liked to make Merrill a tranquil companion.

MERRILL IS SO CUTE !:

I hated how Merrill and Isabella were my favorite charecters in DA2 but Merrill was a blood mage.

It made my morality very confusing.

ESP when I was romancing Fenris.

[Black Jimmy]

 Sounds interesting. Not sure how they'd work as a companion though, as they're basically mages without the magic. And if they were a Warrior or Rogue, do Tranquil even fight? Even if ordered to or threated?

Just don't make them a romance 

Modifié par Black Jimmy, 17 septembre 2013 - 01:28 .