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[StarMars]

lorderon99999 wrote...

StarMars wrote...

Torias wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...
The fight in Denerim with some thugs would still be as hard as a dragon fight.

Yes, that's intentional.

This game is meant to be difficult.

It provides a good challenge for your party design to be tested against.

I remember that fight. I was lvl 15 and it made me reload many times... just when I thought no regular enemies can touch me because my main char is fully armored (30-40 armor i think). Then there were like 10 archers all using scattershot.... of course I whined after a few tries because my previously unbeatable strat is useless now. But the situation forced me to think more. Then it reminded me that I have bombs, salves, and elemental arrrows. When I came up with a better plan it wasn't hard after all. 

You also noticed that does 10 bandits were harder than a dragon

I would rather have it that way actually. I don't want to feel invincible (even to regular enemies) just because I reached a certain level. There is no challenge there and no fun. Without level scaling, you can play the game half-asleep and read your way to the end of the game and maybe wake up in boss fights only knowing that you're untouchable.

And to answer your question directly. Nope, it wasn't hard at all when I came up with a strategy. Only my main char as the tank up front buffed with glyph of warding and rock salve. Only he took the dmg from scattershot, I used bombs to clear those melee easily then charged the archers. AFAI remember, I only used 1 greater healing salve. I have yet to use other spells coz this is my first run but this strat worked for me. That means there are a ton more ways to beat this, you just have to think. BTW I haven't finished the game yet.

[lorderon99999]

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

Are you (The OP) refering to the "Back Alley" thugs in Denerim?
Those are not your average street toughs. They were supposed to be harder than any other "thugs" you might run into. If you did them towards the end of the game...yeah, I'll bet they were hard to beat! By that point, probably harder to beat than the high dragon. That wasn't level scaling, that was a quest designed to be hard no matter when you attempt it.

Of course, if I'm misunderstanding, then just ignore me )

Logic wants that they be easier later in the game since you gained power and items...so why ar they mor diff...level scalling prob  that all

[Cybercat999]

lorderon99999 wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...
Did you take a look at the thugs and guards you figth at level 20? They all have Tier 7 stuffe

So do you if you care to get it, so whats your point?

I dungeon crawld for 40 hours to have that stuffe...why would some low thug or simple guard have the same stuffe? Is evryon super rich in DA:O or what

Really? Well, you could have saved yourself time and crawling and buy all your T7 at first vendor around the corner. Because its neither expensive neither very good.
If you run around equipped in that "stuffe", no wonder you have problems with the game.

[lorderon99999]

outlaworacle wrote...

So... you don't know what it means, basically.

I guess I used a word that I don't know the meaning for 7 pages posts...

You think I am doing some sophist or what!?

[Bullets McDeath]

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

So... you don't know what it means, basically.

I guess I used a word that I don't know the meaning for 7 pages posts...

You think I am doing some sophist or what!?

Well how can the game have "no immersion" as you state, and then go and "break" your immersion because you can't beat a fight?

[lorderon99999]

Cybercat999 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...
Did you take a look at the thugs and guards you figth at level 20? They all have Tier 7 stuffe

So do you if you care to get it, so whats your point?

I dungeon crawld for 40 hours to have that stuffe...why would some low thug or simple guard have the same stuffe? Is evryon super rich in DA:O or what

Really? Well, you could have saved yourself time and crawling and buy all your T7 at first vendor around the corner. Because its neither expensive neither very good.
If you run around equipped in that "stuffe", no wonder you have problems with the game.

You guys really take evrything to the word right? Can't you read beetween the lines

Modifié par lorderon99999, 29 décembre 2009 - 12:52 .

[bobtheworm]

I would honestly suggest to take a look at you character, find out where you went wrong and reroll. I like Scaling. As much as I was screaming at my monitor when the Broodmother killed me in a couple seconds at lvl 20 the first time I fought her it made me sit back and think of a better strat. I did and she didn't have a chance the second time. Or the 4 faced Anvil monster, I thought I fought that guy for a hour and a half straight before I had to get a better strat.



Your arguement makes me think of when I was playing PnP D&D 2.0 rules. Everyone in the group had already broke the rules. So DM had to make massively broken bosses for us to fight. I believe this rule holds true for DA:O. Because I have the most broken mage ever right now and there is nothing the rules are doing about it. I am just about ready to Ozamar and can't wait to see how my broken mage handles a considerably scaled area of the Deep Roads.



My Rule when I have trouble with a game. Rethink, Reroll, and replay!

[ChangoLoco69]

lorderon99999 wrote...

You did not agree with anything I said either...so that makes you a kid also? If I don't agree is maybe because well...mmm... let see...I don't agree?

You said it yourself...some poeple like it and some don't....I don't some since I argue in that wat and don't spprove with other I am a kid? Good logic

If I was a troll I would not take the time to reply to each single post and try and give a argument to each one

Also...don't need to be rude

You're logic of things is truly...sad

 Why would i agree when I obviously am telling you why your doing so bad in the game. There is nothing for me to agree with or i would never have posted in this thread. People have offered you ideas, but you dont take the time to consider that changing your style of play and learning to ACTUALLY play the game would make you feel leveling did something,

So why still rant on this subject when you wont even accept other people's solution? That is what makes you seem like a troll, because all you do is find an excuse to counter-act what someone has said to you.

Whether it be level scaling, immersion, or difficulty. All you have are excuses to back up your statements and nothing more.

"If I was a troll I would not take the time to reply to each single post and try and give a argument to each one"

All your doing is arguing hence why you seem like a troll. Once you start accepting that some of these solution can and will work then i will reconsider calling you a kid.

[lorderon99999]

outlaworacle wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

So... you don't know what it means, basically.

I guess I used a word that I don't know the meaning for 7 pages posts...

You think I am doing some sophist or what!?

Well how can the game have "no immersion" as you state, and then go and "break" your immersion because you can't beat a fight?

Can you plese Quoto the fight I said I can't beat?

And if you go thorugh the forums...you will see a lot of people think there is no immersion in the game

[whtnyte-raernst]

Okay, that is the problem then,the back alley thugs in Denerim,not random thugs you run into when traveling.

That is a quest. It's specifically designed to be challenge. It's also side quest, not mandatory. If you don't like the challenge of it just don't do at one maybe?

[Torias]

lorderon99999 wrote...

Logic wants that they be easier later in the game since you gained power and items...

No.

This isn't that sort of game.

Not all games are the same. Not all games should be the same. Games have different design goals.

One of Dragon Age's design goals is challenging tactical combat.

It fulfills that goal quite well.

If you don't enjoy challenging tactical combat, well that's unfortunate.

Challenging tactical combat does not include "my character is high level so the game is now easier".

A lot of players don't want the game to get easier as they level up, they want more challenges to over come.

If you disagree with wanting more challenge, then bioware included a difficulty setting so that you can opt-out of that part of the game.

But know that you are opting out of one of the features of the game. It's something to consider if you really don't like challenging tactical combat.

The other option is to take a breath and approach the challenge with a fresh mindset, look at the options you have available and figure out how to over come it. You might find it fun :-)

Modifié par Torias, 29 décembre 2009 - 12:59 .

[Eisberg1977]

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

So... you don't know what it means, basically.

I guess I used a word that I don't know the meaning for 7 pages posts...

You think I am doing some sophist or what!?

Well how can the game have "no immersion" as you state, and then go and "break" your immersion because you can't beat a fight?

Can you plese Quoto the fight I said I can't beat?

And if you go thorugh the forums...you will see a lot of people think there is no immersion in the game

And there is a lot of people who think there is immersion.  So what is your point?

[Bullets McDeath]

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

So... you don't know what it means, basically.

I guess I used a word that I don't know the meaning for 7 pages posts...

You think I am doing some sophist or what!?

Well how can the game have "no immersion" as you state, and then go and "break" your immersion because you can't beat a fight?

Can you plese Quoto the fight I said I can't beat?

And if you go thorugh the forums...you will see a lot of people think there is no immersion in the game

Well, if you can beat the fight, obviously the level scaling isn't such a problem is it? What the hell are you on about if not that, exactly?

[lorderon99999]

ChangoLoco69 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

You did not agree with anything I said either...so that makes you a kid also? If I don't agree is maybe because well...mmm... let see...I don't agree?

You said it yourself...some poeple like it and some don't....I don't some since I argue in that wat and don't spprove with other I am a kid? Good logic

If I was a troll I would not take the time to reply to each single post and try and give a argument to each one

Also...don't need to be rude

You're logic of things is truly...sad

 Why would i agree when I obviously am telling you why your doing so bad in the game. There is nothing for me to agree with or i would never have posted in this thread. People have offered you ideas, but you dont take the time to consider that changing your style of play and learning to ACTUALLY play the game would make you feel leveling did something,

So why still rant on this subject when you wont even accept other people's solution? That is what makes you seem like a troll, because all you do is find an excuse to counter-act what someone has said to you.

Whether it be level scaling, immersion, or difficulty. All you have are excuses to back up your statements and nothing more.

"If I was a troll I would not take the time to reply to each single post and try and give a argument to each one"

All your doing is arguing hence why you seem like a troll. Once you start accepting that some of these solution can and will work then i will reconsider calling you a kid.

My only gameplay that I posted was that I don't use mage and then you come and say to me that I am doing bad at the game...you're a funny guy...and YOU don't read post because diff is not a prob for me

Same for me there is nothing for me too agree....see we are alike on that point

I offered ideas and you don't tak  them as well...

It funny how you accuse me of thing you do yourself you funny little fellow

And I have arguments, not statement to back up my ideas

And I did agree with some poeple on some point....that why I proposed encounter scale and not world scale

[lorderon99999]

outlaworacle wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

So... you don't know what it means, basically.

I guess I used a word that I don't know the meaning for 7 pages posts...

You think I am doing some sophist or what!?

Well how can the game have "no immersion" as you state, and then go and "break" your immersion because you can't beat a fight?

Can you plese Quoto the fight I said I can't beat?

And if you go thorugh the forums...you will see a lot of people think there is no immersion in the game

Well, if you can beat the fight, obviously the level scaling isn't such a problem is it? What the hell are you on about if not that, exactly?

What about all what I said these 7 or 8 last pages? Or what I said on post #1?

[Whailor]

I didn't mind leveled opponents in Oblivion. Neither in Fallout 3. Especially not in DAO. I still kill them all, no matter whether I am the "Hero of Kvatch", the "Vault Dweller" or the "Grey Warden". Doesn't break immersion in any way. They attack, I kill them, I get the XP and the loot and walk away richer and more powerful. No problem.

[lorderon99999]

Whailor wrote...

I didn't mind leveled opponents in Oblivion. Neither in Fallout 3. Especially not in DAO. I still kill them all, no matter whether I am the "Hero of Kvatch", the "Vault Dweller" or the "Grey Warden". Doesn't break immersion in any way. They attack, I kill them, I get the XP and the loot and walk away richer and more powerful. No problem.

You are one of the rare my friend! Because Betshada themself said they did a mistake with level scalling

[Bullets McDeath]

Except if you CAN beat the fight, all the points in your original post are histrionic at best. Unless you are really just wanting to have like... a philosophic debate about game design and the evils of level scaling.

[ChangoLoco69]

lorderon99999 wrote...

My only gameplay that I posted was that I don't use mage and then you come and say to me that I am doing bad at the game...you're a funny guy...and YOU don't read post because diff is not a prob for me

Same for me there is nothing for me too agree....see we are alike on that point

I offered ideas and you don't tak  them as well...

It funny how you accuse me of thing you do yourself you funny little fellow

And I have arguments, not statement to back up my ideas

And I did agree with some poeple on some point....that why I proposed encounter scale and not world scale

Quote me when i said you were doing bad at the game.

And you have offered nothing. All you do is complain about scale leveling and immersion. You have offered nothing that relates to your problem. You want this game to be something completely different than what it should be. If you dont want to play a mage then thats your choice. But when you have an option to have a healer in the party, why not use that opportunity?

If you want a mod so badly make on yourself instead of crying over how the level scaling is bad for you. From what i can see, most people on this thread like this system of gameplay and a challenge. Instead of playing on a game where it feels like easy mode all the time at one point.

There have been no ideas related to gameplay that you have agreed with, you only agree with the people that have your views which makes you biased in every way related to your topic.

Your arguements are some what pitiful considering you repeat the same thing over and over and over again. Nothing is new with your "Arguements".

[Eisberg1977]

lorderon99999 wrote...

Whailor wrote...

I didn't mind leveled opponents in Oblivion. Neither in Fallout 3. Especially not in DAO. I still kill them all, no matter whether I am the "Hero of Kvatch", the "Vault Dweller" or the "Grey Warden". Doesn't break immersion in any way. They attack, I kill them, I get the XP and the loot and walk away richer and more powerful. No problem.

You are one of the rare my friend! Because Betshada themself said they did a mistake with level scalling

Yeah, for a sandbox game.  For Linear games like BG, KOTOR, NWN level scaling is nothing new.  Yes, BG basically had level scaling, because you had to be a certian level before you could attempt the next area of linear progression.

Notice how level scaling never became an issue till Oblivion had it.  That is because for Sand Box games Level scaling was new, and it didn't fit.  But for games like this, level scaling is a very very old mechanic, and has been around long before BG was in development, the only difference is that it wasn't called level scaling, the term didn't even exist, even though the mechanic existed.

You know what level scaling was called before Oblivion?  It was called Linear.

Modifié par Eisberg1977, 29 décembre 2009 - 01:13 .

[VanDraegon]

lorderon99999 wrote...
WE DON'T WANT LEVEL SCALLING!

Please do not speak for me in regards to wants and desires for this game. I like it just the way it is. Sorry you are having a hard time but the game is great. I dont not want it watered down so that i can go charging through is like some mad demi god.

[XOGHunter246]

Where there a will there way nothing impossible in games there always some way to get the job done. It all about using correct tactics if you find yourself being killed by scatter shot a lot then try another tactic. I got killed by them thugs few times on my first time playing DAO till I found a tactic that works effectively. I'm the type to not let few deaths make me think why did they do this make them scale with me.

You say difficulty isn't a issue but your saying level scaling is isn't that part of the difficulty? If you can still beat them then why complain about level scaling?

[lorderon99999]

ChangoLoco69 wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...

My only gameplay that I posted was that I don't use mage and then you come and say to me that I am doing bad at the game...you're a funny guy...and YOU don't read post because diff is not a prob for me

Same for me there is nothing for me too agree....see we are alike on that point

I offered ideas and you don't tak  them as well...

It funny how you accuse me of thing you do yourself you funny little fellow

And I have arguments, not statement to back up my ideas

And I did agree with some poeple on some point....that why I proposed encounter scale and not world scale

Quote me when i said you were doing bad at the game.

And you have offered nothing. All you do is complain about scale leveling and immersion. You have offered nothing that relates to your problem. You want this game to be something completely different than what it should be. If you dont want to play a mage then thats your choice. But when you have an option to have a healer in the party, why not use that opportunity?

If you want a mod so badly make on yourself instead of crying over how the level scaling is bad for you. From what i can see, most people on this thread like this system of gameplay and a challenge. Instead of playing on a game where it feels like easy mode all the time at one point.

There have been no ideas related to gameplay that you have agreed with, you only agree with the people that have your views which makes you biased in every way related to your topic.

Your arguements are some what pitiful considering you repeat the same thing over and over and over again. Nothing is new with your "Arguements".

You also repeat the same thing....I repeat the same thing because people keep saying to me over and over again that I have a prop with diff when I am almost finish with the game with 1 rogue and 3 warrior on Nightmare with not so much diff......as for the people approving on this topic that scalling is a good idea I have to giv you right...which is pretty odd...becasue if you read some articls on level scalling you will see that most player don't like it

[lorderon99999]

VanDraegon wrote...

lorderon99999 wrote...
WE DON'T WANT LEVEL SCALLING!

Please do not speak for me in regards to wants and desires for this game. I like it just the way it is. Sorry you are having a hard time but the game is great. I dont not want it watered down so that i can go charging through is like some mad demi god.

The game is great indeed...and I have to admit that the that statement was a bit selfish...and I am not having a hard time with the game

[Bullets McDeath]

lorderon99999 wrote...

...becasue if you read some articls on level scalling you will see that most player don't like it

Most people voted Bush for President twice, consecutively. Most people are fuggin' morons. Squeaky wheel always gets the grease. Most people hear "level scaling" and think "Oblivion", so they say it is bad. It works fine in plenty of other games.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 29 décembre 2009 - 01:17 .